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I dunno. I prefer my judges - whatever party they're from - to not lose their shit.
You know the Democrats will have Supreme Court nominees too someday. Do you also want them "completely radicalized?"

There was no shit lost. When you wrongly vilify someone for political gain they have a damn good right to be pissed. Democrats will be swallowing this way past November and deserve every bit of it.

The Vote is tomorrow and confirmation Wednesday.
 

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Indeed.

They both came off as sincere, credible and firmly believing in their recollection of events, in my opinion. Both testimonies also had some holes and inconsistencies. This is essentially a he-said, she-said (insert objections that other people she says were there don't remember the night in question. Fine, it was 35 years ago and the night doesn't sound all that memorable unless you were almost raped. So I'm not sure what "I don't recall" proves.) Senators don't seem all that in to in any sort of investigation that doesn't feature them grandstanding or that might drag too close to midterms, so it'll be hard to unearth any particular "truth" here. That leaves us with who do you believe, which probably depends on where you're coming from in the first place.

Myself, I don't know. I think it's possible he did it and was so drunk he doesn't remember. I also think it's possible it happened to her but she remembers the wrong guy. Memories are funny things.

One thing I do think is that Kavanaugh's behavior today was unbecoming a Supreme Court justice. He came off as arrogant and entitled and not the least bit empathetic to a woman who clearly endured some serious trauma - whether his doing or not. But I also understand how others might see him as legitimately angry about being wrongly accused, etc. As Syria said, life is a Rorschach test.

Regardless, it's a fuck. All around. We'll see what happens. And then what happens next. God bless America.

I believe it would be pretty well impossible to keep one's cool after the following:

A) A senator sits on the accusation for months and actively avoids handling it the way it ought to be handled.
B) The senator drops the accusation when it is clear you will be confirmed.
C) The accuser's attorneys lie and drag the process on for much longer than necessary.
D) The media hypes up every nonsensical allegation against you.

I don't really know what people wanted from him, if he doesn't show any fire or emotion, he's a robot/sociopath. If he does, it's conduct unbecoming. There really isn't a middle ground when a big chunk of the senators in the room are literally trying to railroad you.
 

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Indeed.

They both came off as sincere, credible and firmly believing in their recollection of events, in my opinion. Both testimonies also had some holes and inconsistencies. This is essentially a he-said, she-said (insert objections that other people she says were there don't remember the night in question. Fine, it was 35 years ago and the night doesn't sound all that memorable unless you were almost raped. So I'm not sure what "I don't recall" proves.) Senators don't seem all that in to in any sort of investigation that doesn't feature them grandstanding or that might drag too close to midterms, so it'll be hard to unearth any particular "truth" here. That leaves us with who do you believe, which probably depends on where you're coming from in the first place.

Myself, I don't know. I think it's possible he did it and was so drunk he doesn't remember. I also think it's possible it happened to her but she remembers the wrong guy. Memories are funny things.

One thing I do think is that Kavanaugh's behavior today was unbecoming a Supreme Court justice. He came off as arrogant and entitled and not the least bit empathetic to a woman who clearly endured some serious trauma - whether his doing or not. But I also understand how others might see him as legitimately angry about being wrongly accused, etc. As Syria said, life is a Rorschach test.

Regardless, it's a fuck. All around. We'll see what happens. And then what happens next. God bless America.

All around, and around again.

Admittedly I do want a conservative on the SC, but I don't really care about BKav. He would not have been my 1st or 2nd pick. That said, I do understand his attitude/demeanor.

Let's assume for a minute that he's innocent. Just assume for the sake of the below.

-You are innocent
-You were a typical HS kid that drank, got drunk occasionally, but didn't do this.
-You've worked hard in school, did the right things, worked hard at work.
-You've been an honorable judge that multiple background checks have confirmed.
-You've had a model marriage, and a model family. You are a good husband, and very involved with your kids.
-From all accounts from people closes to you, you're a great friend, a great employee, great father, great husband, great catholic.
-You've towed the line, did the right thing, and are now a vote away from a lifelong goal to attain the highest step in your profession.
-Most of all you love your family, and you want to set a good example for your kids, and make them proud of you.

----And now someone lies about you in the 11th hour.....

Now if I was him, and innocent, I'd be very pissed. I'd be irate. My ENTIRE life just got turned upside down. People will never think of me the same again, even if I am innocent. Not sure I could be empathetic with the person lying. Could you?


I don't know who to believe. I know two things. 1) A lot of things don't make sense. 2) And people lie all the time.

This would have never made it to a court. It's no more than a he said she said. Charges would have never been filed, and even if they somehow did, the defense via the other girls testimony would crush her. Given everything out there, this is America, and you are innocent until proven guilty.

The other thing I know, is it really sucks how politicians use people.
 

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I believe it would be pretty well impossible to keep one's cool after the following:

A) A senator sits on the accusation for months and actively avoids handling it the way it ought to be handled.
B) The senator drops the accusation when it is clear you will be confirmed.
C) The accuser's attorneys lie and drag the process on for much longer than necessary.
D) The media hypes up every nonsensical allegation against you.

I don't really know what people wanted from him, if he doesn't show any fire or emotion, he's a robot/sociopath. If he does, it's conduct unbecoming. There really isn't a middle ground when a big chunk of the senators in the room are literally trying to railroad you.

lol, you beat me to it.
 

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I dunno. I prefer my judges - whatever party they're from - to not lose their shit.
You know the Democrats will have Supreme Court nominees too someday. Do you also want them "completely radicalized?"

I like the fight I saw. Judges aren't required to be spineless.

Not anytime soon, and when they do, it'll be a radical whether I like it or not. Ruth is hanging on by a thread. It's becoming increasingly likely that we're on the verge of a stacked 7-2 court for loooooong time. That nightmare is slowly becoming a reality for the cat ladies literally shaking on Twitter right now.
 

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I like the fight I saw. Judges aren't required to be spineless.

Not anytime soon, and when they do, it'll be a radical whether I like it or not. Ruth is hanging on by a thread. It's becoming increasingly likely that we're on the verge of a stacked 7-2 court for loooooong time. That nightmare is slowly becoming a reality for the cat ladies literally shaking on Twitter right now.

Yeah, if Don wins in 2020 and R's hold the Senate, that should just about do it to lock it up barring someone swinging left.
 

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Do you guys think she was coached to talk and conduct herself like a 15 year old girl? What professional woman talks and conducts herself in that manner? She doesn't work at Dunkin donuts, she is a doctor and a professor and sounded like a girl selling girl scout cookies.

I'm also aware that she has scrubbed all of her social networks. Why would she do that?

Her female classmate friend refutes her testimony and says that she does not know Kavanaugh. She did not attend a party with or without Blassey. That is damning.

I don't think she pulled this out of thin air. Something happened to her and I think it's politically convenient to name him.

What a brutal and ugly day.
 

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Do you guys think she was coached to talk and conduct herself like a 15 year old girl? What professional woman talks and conducts herself in that manner? She doesn't work at Dunkin donuts, she is a doctor and a professor and sounded like a girl selling girl scout cookies.

I don't think she acted 15, but I think she knew exactly what she was doing/saying. You are not a Psych professor and not know.

I'm also aware that she has scrubbed all of her social networks. Why would she do that?
This Q is pretty silly.

Her female classmate friend refutes her testimony and says that she does not know Kavanaugh. She did not attend a party with or without Blassey. That is damning.

This is the biggest thing to me.
 

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The America Bar Association tonight is calling for a delay in the vote until the FBI can investigate the allegations against Kavanaugh.

Robert Carlson, president of the ABA, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.

We make this request because of the ABA’s respect for the rule of law and due process under law. The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI. Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote. Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court.

The ABA previously unanimously gave Kavanaugh their highest rating of "well-qualified".

Ford was very credible. The Reps were smart to have a female outsider question her rather than release their outrage on Ford. Lots of pent up righteous hate in the room. Undoubtedly, the majority would just have preferred that she not testify. Too many Americans were listening in. Now the Bar Association has made a recommendation to involve the FBI due to their "respect for the rule of law and due process under law". This got totally off the well-greased tracks. All because that woman testified, manipulated by a "cynical political ploy" and an "unethical sham" by Dems. There's no way she should have been allowed to recount her remembered experiences from more than thirty years ago.

Ford:
I have been accused of acting out of partisan political motives. Those who say that do not know me. I am a fiercely independent person, and I am no one’s pawn. My motivation in coming forward was to provide the facts about how Mr. Kavanaugh’s actions have damaged my life, so that you can take that into serious consideration as you make your decision about how to proceed.
 
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Do you guys think she was coached to talk and conduct herself like a 15 year old girl? What professional woman talks and conducts herself in that manner? She doesn't work at Dunkin donuts, she is a doctor and a professor and sounded like a girl selling girl scout cookies.

I'm also aware that she has scrubbed all of her social networks. Why would she do that?

Her female classmate friend refutes her testimony and says that she does not know Kavanaugh. She did not attend a party with or without Blassey. That is damning.

I don't think she pulled this out of thin air. Something happened to her and I think it's politically convenient to name him.

What a brutal and ugly day.

Possibly her 15 minutes of fame, which would allow her to "cash in"?

I didn't watch the hearings, but when she can't remember much about the incident and her story is refuted by a classmate I have a hard time understanding why the push to have the FBI investigate. Are they going to use some mind altering drug that helps her suddenly recall everything in vivid color?

Another thought..........Someone who did this type of "thing" is the type that would have a little bit of a checkered past. Maybe not a criminal record, but would have done enough shenanigans that there would be a lot of people coming out claiming Kavanaugh was a party boy, drinker, always doing mischevious things. You don't do this one time and then take to the straight and narrow.
 
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The last thing the left wanted was for Trump to nominate a judge who would walk through confirmation and take a seat in the court. They had to throw as much mud as possible to try and diminish this accomplishment and make the process so ugly that nobody would want to look back on it as an accomplishment.

As for the delay requests. The FBI could say that he never did anything and the left would never accept it. We're supposed to believe women regardless of evidence or corroboration and just destroy any candidate who ever has an accuser. These Senators are literally raising money on the promise of stopping him and yet demanding more time... for what?!
To raise money and drag out this abortion.

Kavanaugh is a good man. Confirm him now. Celebrate the win. Bush supposedly spent the night whipping votes and I thank him for doing so.

On to Ginsburg.
 

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I don't think she acted 15, but I think she knew exactly what she was doing/saying. You are not a Psych professor and not know.


This Q is pretty silly.



This is the biggest thing to me.

Her voice was annoying as all hell and I am fairly confident she was playing dumb a good bit of the time.
 

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I'm sure most of us would stay calm if we were accused of gang rape and the media was complicit in pushing a narrative that we were sexual predators.

He had fire in his eyes. Hopefully the entire process completely radicalized him.
Hopefully Roberts lets him write the majority opinion when they overturn Roe.
 

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Her voice was annoying as all hell and I am fairly confident she was playing dumb a good bit of the time.

Her voice/personality was not what I expected for a prof with 2 advanced degrees. She was highly detailed around her notes and corrections when she testified, which did not compute with her lack of memory in other areas.

It will be interesting to see if anything falls out of her closet.

I bet her "beach friends" are in demand from the media...
 

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It's actually amazing what the Democrats have accomplished here. They've united the MAGAs, the RINOs, the #NeverTrumps, the libertarians, the wonks, the Cocaine Mitches, and the Lindsay Grahamnesties all together. Trump is going to be president for 30 years.
 

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I can't imagine ever voting for a D again. They are just disgusting.
 
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Nieve to this whole process. President elected him --- 2 questions.

1) Are they voting to approve him today? Or to deny him? I assumed the president appoints and that's that. Or does senate have to approve in every case, and this is just being highlighted because it's not a given? Yes I'm embarrassed I do not know the answer to this.

2) What % vote does it take to appoint (or deny) him?
 

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It's actually amazing what the Democrats have accomplished here. They've united the MAGAs, the RINOs, the #NeverTrumps, the libertarians, the wonks, the Cocaine Mitches, and the Lindsay Grahamnesties all together. Trump is going to be president for 30 years.

It’s all a calculated risk. They’re pushing their chips into the middle of the table because Roe v. Wade is the ballgame.

If this opposition to Kavanagh fails, the DNC rigging the primary for Hillary Clinton is going to end up being one of the most impactful political blunders in history.
 

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Nieve to this whole process. President elected him --- 2 questions.

1) Are they voting to approve him today? Or to deny him? I assumed the president appoints and that's that. Or does senate have to approve in every case, and this is just being highlighted because it's not a given? Yes I'm embarrassed I do not know the answer to this.

2) What % vote does it take to appoint (or deny) him?

Prez appoints
Committee votes to send to Senate (today)
Senate votes. Needs >50% (mid next week)
 
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