All Things Alabama

[Irish#1]

Nice picture, that must be from one of the bowl games in the 70s, little bit before my time.

I know some older Alabama fans that really want to give ND a payback for those days.

I believe this is from the 73 Sugar Bowl.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Dial has been cleared by the SEC for the NCG. Here was the hit in question:

That troll that said he lead with his shoulder was full of it.

 

[FLDomer]

Dial has been cleared by the SEC for the NCG. Here was the hit in question:

That troll that said he lead with his shoulder was full of it.

Oh Joy! Karma is a bitch though!

 

[ickythump1225]

Dial has been cleared by the SEC for the NCG. Here was the hit in question:

That troll that said he lead with his shoulder was full of it.

That's clearly helmet to helmet.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

I can't wait to see this clown get leveled by our oline. I really want to see Chris Watt pull and just demolish this dirt bag!

 

[jasoninatl]

Tyler James @TJamesNDI 1m
I offer this up with no comment. MT @AlabamaFTBL: ALABAMA ANNOUNCES FOOTBALL SERIES WITH COLORADO STATE

Series was scheduled as a favor to Coach McElwain at CSU as he tries to build his program up and get some national exposure.

 

[Greystoke]

All in all, I think that when Irish have the football, its kind of a wash. Golson needs to step up and pick apart a defense that is not half of what it was last year. In their 3 biggest games this year they allowed more than double the points, first downs, and total yards that they did last year in their 3 big games. (Which raises serious questions about this "SEC Dominance". Shouldn't really count as such when you only play 3 notable SEC teams a year). Irish secondary is comparable (weaknesses included)

When Troll Tide has the ball, that is where this game is going to be played. Its been said a million times I'm sure. That is going to be the fun part. My hope is that Golson plays the game of his life, racking up points that make Lacy and Yeldon's contributions moot!

 

[philipm31]

Dial has been cleared by the SEC for the NCG. Here was the hit in question:

That troll that said he lead with his shoulder was full of it.

So I am a troll now??

SMH.

I simply said my opinion. If you disagree with it, fine. But don't think just because I disagree with the call that I am some sort of troll.

Jeez.



You want to see the DEFINITION of a helmet to helmet shot where the defender was spearing a player, go watch Donte Whitner's hit of Pierre Thomas in the playoffs against the Niners. Donte Whitners Huge Hit - YouTube

And I am a Niners fan too, so I am totally onboard with the idea of protecting players, from hits where the defender leads with his head.

You look at that video and tell me that it was not more dangerous than Dial's helmet and shoulder impacting Murray at the same time as opposed to Whitner leading with his head and knocking Thomas unconscious. Not to mention that Murray was not by definition a defenseless player since he was already done with the throwing motion, and was in fact considered just another player on that INT return. Vicious hit, absolutely. Borderline, yes. Was it equivalent to Whitner on Thomas? NO. And I have NO idea why Whitner was not flagged, either.


To me, these hits are MUCH more egregious than what Dial did:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1019/nfl_a_meriweather3_600.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/im...125604003-471.jpg?uuid=5t5JruLcEeCKBcEOwQfcZg

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven....nt/uploads/2012/11/ejmanuel-hit3-11-24-12.gif

http://www.businessinsider.com/image/50606358eab8ead256000010/dhb.gif

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven....tent/uploads/2012/11/smith-hurt1-11-11-12.gif


Feel free to disagree with me but calling a loyal poster a troll is a reach.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

It wasn't you. There was a Bama troll that was banned last night. I didn't even see your post.

 

[ickythump1225]

So I am a troll now??

SMH.

I simply said my opinion. If you disagree with it, fine. But don't think just because I disagree with the call that I am some sort of troll.

Jeez.



You want to see the DEFINITION of a helmet to helmet shot where the defender was spearing a player, go watch Donte Whitner's hit of Pierre Thomas in the playoffs against the Niners. Donte Whitners Huge Hit - YouTube

And I am a Niners fan too, so I am totally onboard with the idea of protecting players, from hits where the defender leads with his head.


To me, these hits are MUCH more egregious than what Dial did:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1019/nfl_a_meriweather3_600.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/im...125604003-471.jpg?uuid=5t5JruLcEeCKBcEOwQfcZg

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven....nt/uploads/2012/11/ejmanuel-hit3-11-24-12.gif

http://www.businessinsider.com/image/50606358eab8ead256000010/dhb.gif

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven....tent/uploads/2012/11/smith-hurt1-11-11-12.gif


Feel free to disagree with me but calling a loyal poster a troll is a reach.

I can only speak for myself but I think he was referring to "Elephant Man," a short lived troll who was here last night accusing all of us of racism and said that hit wasn't helmet to helmet.

 

[philipm31]

Well, in that case, I apologize.

I guess we all are a little edgier the closer we get to game day.

 

[philipm31]

I can only speak for myself but I think he was referring to "Elephant Man," a short lived troll who was here last night accusing all of us of racism and said that hit wasn't helmet to helmet.

Racism??

That's rich coming from a team who was a bit late to the party on integration...in fact the entire SEC was.

 

[ickythump1225]

Racism??

That's rich coming from a team who was a bit late to the party on integration...in fact the entire SEC was.

Yes he pulled a quote by a member here in which he described the hit on Murray as a "thuggy cheap shot" and used that as his troll platform in which to condemn us all as racists.

 

[TidePride]

Hello everyone new Bama fan here. I have been just reading the board for a few days and thought I would join in I look forward to some discussion about this huge game we are about to play. I think I speak for all Bama fans when I say there is noone else we wanted to play and can't wait to see these teams go at it.


As for the Dial hit I dont believe he led with the helmet but helmet to helmet contact was made which is almost unavoidable on a hit like that. I don't think he should be suspended but the refs should have called unnecessary roughness 15yrds since thats how those type hits have been called all year. Murray wasn't a defenseless player he was a defensive player totally legal to block.

In almost every hit you see of a player leading with the helmet his shoulders are square to the player he is hitting. You can see Dials front jersey numbers... he put his shoulder pad under Murrays chin strap just like players from mini midget to pros are taught to do. The whiplash caused the helmet contact which should have cost a unnecessary roughness.

 

[Walter White]

Helmet definitely hit first before the shoulder. You can see in the gif Murray's head flying back before the rest of his torso. Should have been called in game, but I'm not sure it warrants a suspension from the SEC either.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Helmet definitely hit first before the shoulder. You can see in the gif Murray's head flying back before the rest of his torso. Should have been called in game, but I'm not sure it warrants a suspension from the SEC either.

Pretty much my view of it too. I'd have flagged it for unnecessary roughness, but no suspension. He hit with the facemask and forehead of his helmet. Helmet to helmet contact happens every play. It's unavoidable. Leading with the top of the helmet in order to "spear" an opponent is another story and what usually gets you suspended. I think you can make a reasonable case either way on whether Dial should've been suspended, but I don't think this quite merited it.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

As for the Dial hit I dont believe he led with the helmet

 

[phork]

That looks painful.

 

[NDPhilly]

Should have been a 15 yd penalty but I don't believe he should be penalized for it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Well, in that case, I apologize.

I guess we all are a little edgier the closer we get to game day.

Now give me a green rep to counter act that red one you gave me.

Should have been a 15 yd penalty but I don't believe he should be penalized for it.

 

[gcashwell]

Murray himself said the hit was shoulder first. It should have been penalized though, as there was obvious helmet to helmet contact. I just don't think it warranted a suspension.

I'm a Alabama fan and am very worried about this game.

The secondary is very young and can be easily exposed. They often seem to just do the wrong thing.

It will be interesting to see how well Barrett Jones is doing with his sprained foot. He injured it in the first quarter of the SEC CG. He obviously was able to play through the pain, but still. He doesn't ever seem to have trouble playing against powerful players, he struggles against quickness.

I haven't seen Notre Dame play all year, but from what I have read, they are excellent. This AL team is not as dominant as the last 3, and is very beatable.

 

[chicago51]

Murray himself said the hit was shoulder first. It should have been penalized though, as there was obvious helmet to helmet contact. I just don't think it warranted a suspension.

I'm a Alabama fan and am very worried about this game.

The secondary is very young and can be easily exposed. They often seem to just do the wrong thing.

It will be interesting to see how well Barrett Jones is doing with his sprained foot. He injured it in the first quarter of the SEC CG. He obviously was able to play through the pain, but still. He doesn't ever seem to have trouble playing against powerful players, he struggles against quickness.

I haven't seen Notre Dame play all year, but from what I have read, they are excellent. This AL team is not as dominant as the last 3, and is very beatable.

Louis Nix is very quick believe it or not. How can a guy that big be that quick?I have no idea. He really does get off the ball fast though.

 

[gcashwell]

Louis Nix is very quick believe it or not. How can a guy that big be that quick?I have no idea. He really does get off the ball fast though.

Then that quickness will give Jones problems, especially with the foot injury. It will take him a while to adjust.

How deep is Notre Dame? Alabama is as deep as you could ever want a team to be - except in the secondary. Alabama will give up big pass plays to you guys.

How much does your D-Line weigh?
How much depth does your D-Line have?

Alabama does not go out of their way to sack the quarterback. Pressure? Yes. They mainly try to contain plays. Again, the secondary is too young and at times, undisciplined. A lot of times when the D-Line gets penetration, our secondary quits on the play too early.

 

[chicago51]

Then that quickness will give Jones problems, especially with the foot injury. It will take him a while to adjust.

How deep is Notre Dame? Alabama is as deep as you could ever want a team to be - except in the secondary. Alabama will give up big pass plays to you guys.

How much does your D-Line weigh?
How much depth does your D-Line have?

Alabama does not go out of their way to sack the quarterback. Pressure? Yes. They mainly try to contain plays. Again, the secondary is too young and at times, undisciplined. A lot of times when the D-Line gets penetration, our secondary quits on the play too early.

Our DL: DE Kapron Lewis Moore 306 lbs, NT Lewis Nix 326 lbs, DE Stephon Tuit 303 lbs (All American) Backups: Tony Springman 300 lbs, Kona Schmwenke 290 lbs, Sheldon Day 286 lbs. We have rotated our backups in throughout the year that said the only one that I have a ton of confidence in is Sheldon Day he is a true freshman but is a phenom. So I have some concerns about depth.

Our LBs are all big for LBs. All 4 starters go from 240 lbs to 255 lbs.

 

[gcashwell]

Our DL: DE Kapron Lewis Moore 306 lbs, NT Lewis Nix 326 lbs, DE Stephon Tuit 303 lbs (All American) Backups: Tony Springman 300 lbs, Kona Schmwenke 290 lbs, Sheldon Day 286 lbs. We have rotated our backups in throughout the year that said the only one that I have a ton of confidence in is Sheldon Day he is a true freshman but is a phenom. So I have some concerns about depth.

Our LBs are all big for LBs. All 4 starters go from 240 lbs to 255 lbs.

Would be interesting to see Day on Jones.

These lines are remarkably similar. This is going to be a battle.

 

[chicago51]

Would be interesting to see Day on Jones.

These lines are remarkably similar. This is going to be a battle.

When Day comes in he almost always plays DE not NT. BTW I have confidence in all the starters. Day is just only bench guy on the DL that I really feal good about. Stephon Tuit is an All American, Louis Nix would have been drafted if he didn't already decide to come back next year.

The downfall of our defense was supposed to be our secondary. As we had injuries there and as a result have 3 first year starters (including a true fresh at CB) and little depth. That said the starting unit has turned out to be very good and did very well against the better passing teams we faced mainly USC (Marquis Lee is better WR in college football) and Oklahoma.

If your looking for reasons to feel good about Bama's chances I would look at our offense not our defense. Our offense has a first starter year frosh at QB. We where getting better at season's end but it was really rough for a good portion of the season.

 

[koonja]

ND's DL depth after it's first wave isn't great, I'd say it's good. That's honestly my only worry about this game. If Alabama wins, it will be because the first line of DL becomes fatigued late in the game and there's a huge talent drop off when you get to our 2nd string DL.

 

[gcashwell]

If your looking for reasons to feel good about Bama's chances I would look at our offense not our defense. Our offense has a first starter year frosh at QB. We where getting better at season's end but it was really rough for a good portion of the season.

I don't think you guys will be able to run the ball. But, I feel like your qb is more than adequate to give our defense trouble. If Golson is able to pass effectively, the run will open up.

There is no way for me to feel good about Bama's chances.

 

[chicago51]

I don't think you guys will be able to run the ball. But, I feel like your qb is more than adequate to give our defense trouble. If Golston is able to pass effectively, the run will open up.

The Bama front is really stout against the run.

I think ND will have problems running out Alabama's base personel. I think ND can run though against Bama's nickel and dime packages.

With our TE who is one best 2 TEs in the country (other being the Standford TE) and Riddick (Starting HB that played 2 seasons at slot WR) being to play both HB and kill LBs one on one as a slot WR it will be difficult for Bama to cover NDs playmakers if they stay in base defense. If they go to nickel and dime then I look for ND run the ball.

Saban is master of putting the right personel out there to match the other teams personel. Most teams have certain personel groupings that are more prone to run or more prone pass. Saban is great at recognizing this and getting the right guys on defense in there. As a bama fan you probably notice that Nico Johnson usually plays MLB on run situations and CJ Mosely plays on nickel package used for passing situations. The thing that many on this board have pointed out is that ND does not need change personel because we have guys that can fill multiple roles. This takes away from one of Nick Saban's biggest strengths as a coach.

 

[007depthchart]

The good:

- Their passing game isn't good. Georgia would have given us more to plan against through the air.

The passing game is much better than you think. The last 1/3 of season all the Bama WR's including Cooper were playing hurt with sprained ankles etc and Aj had a severely bruised back. Aj and the 3 starting wideouts will be 100% for first time in several weeks. AJ is the highest rated passer in nation even with the poor last 1/3 of season due to overwhelming injuries.

- They had 2 DL suffer injuries. I know at least one of the injured players finished the game, but something to keep an eye on.

DL will be completely healthy.

- We will be able to pass much better against Bama's 2ndary than we would have Georgia's, which adds to what we can do on offense.

Bama like leads nation in pass defense, or is right up there. they are much better than GA in all defensive statistics.

- They had to lay it all out a lot this year. Kelly has TONS of tape of them, and they had plenty of close games where they were forced to show their hand (of course we did too, but our playbook>Bamas).

Lame. Bama has most sophisticated defense in nation, with more disguises and coverages than anyone. ND is a simple offense compared to teams like A&M and many others Bama coaches have faced last few years. Bama coaches, the best in the business, will know ND inside and out.

The bad:

Everything is bad.