ACC discussion thread

[pumpdog20]

I have zero desire to partner with the B12. ACC made sense considering the universities included in it, but B12 just isnt a fit at all. Probably would prefer to join the B10 full time then be tied to them.

But, hear me out... it's only 30mins for your boy to Ames.

 

[Irish8248]

This relationship change doesn't work when you still have a committee able to prop or drop you... The SEC BIG all have vested interests in getting their members in while preventing others... You're effectively partnering with a conf for the middle in the committee process.

That's why ND is so pissed. The ACC used all it's muscle to ensure Miami got in, not Miami AND ND.

Why would the Big 12 change that dynamic or the BIG or SEC for that matter?

 

[NorthDakota]

What happens to the ACC in the near-term if ND finds a way to end their scheduling agreement and withdraws in other sports?

Its already on shaky grounds I think? Clemson and FSU got ACC to settle this summer to reduce exit fees. I think B1G and SEC would be happy to grab some combination of Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and maybe Virginia or Duke. I don't know if Miami is considered one of those schools as well.

 

[pumpdog20]

Eveyone is like it is so horrible ND is out and we need to change everything make sure this never happens again while shitting on us for 3 weeks... not one was it EVER said they both need in... it was always Miami needs to be in and implied ND out with no other discussion about other teams

Fucking A Right... the correct course of action would have been to make their's a multi team assault (ND, Ok, & Alabama). But they only went after one...

 

[Dale]

I don't know why people keep saying this. How many times this year do teams in those conferences have to say they don't want hard non-cons any more?

The SEC has committed to playing 10 P4 games. The B1G will either follow suit or see their SOS sink in comparison.

That means the PSU, Ole Miss, IUs of the world are all currently seeking future non-conference partners.

NDs issue is getting games in October - November.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How is this better than just being in the Big Ten? In this scenario, we see the Big Ten and ACC rivals less frequently than we'd like. What is the point? Independent so that Notre Dame can play Iowa State? Houston? Baylor?

I wouldn't be thrilled with the Big-12 either. But I'm assuming: (1) that ND won't give up independence until it absolutely has no other choice; and (2) that we will try to minimize exposure to further treachery from ESPN. The B1G is our obvious final destination if CFB continues drifting toward two superconferences, but there are many other semi-stable states that could persist for years after the ACC melts down.

 

[pumpdog20]

The SEC has committed to playing 10 P4 games. The B1G will either follow suit or see their SOS sink in comparison.

That means the PSU, Ole Miss, IUs of the world are all currently seeking future non-conference partners.

NDs issue is getting games in October - November.

That commitment was prior to this year. I'm not convinced they are going to keep that commitment especially after they have to go to 9 conference games, and based on what teams were saying this year. And especially after witnessing Indiana get rid of all their non P4 (there isn't a P4 by the way) games for this year and next, and still getting #1.

Warm up the season with some patsies, beat your conference opponents, make playoffs. Especially when SEC/B1G are going to start getting 8 combined guaranteed slots.

 

[Dale]

That commitment was prior to this year. I'm not convinced they are going to keep that commitment especially after they have to go to 9 conference games, and based on what teams were saying this year. And especially after witnessing Indiana get rid of all their non P4 (there isn't a P4 by the way) games for this year and next, and still getting #1.

Warm up the season with some patsies, beat your conference opponents, make playoffs. Especially when SEC/B1G are going to start getting 8 combined guaranteed slots.

Why would the SEC backtrack based off this year? Texas as one team is mad, but the SEC got what they wanted in 5 teams.

The SEC also made that commitment when they announced the 9 game schedule, not prior. They want to push the B1G is the whole reason.

IU is the #1 seed because they beat Oregon and Ohio State, not because they gamed the system.

 

[pumpdog20]

Why would the SEC backtrack based off this year? Texas as one team is mad, but the SEC got what they wanted in 5 teams.

The SEC also made that commitment when they announced the 9 game schedule, not prior. They want to push the B1G is the whole reason.

IU is the #1 seed because they beat Oregon and Ohio State, not because they gamed the system.

You said IU was looking for non conference partners... they aren't looking for challenges like ND. That's for sure.

 

[Dale]

You said IU was looking for non conference partners... they aren't looking for challenges like ND. That's for sure.

I wasn’t suggesting IU will schedule ND, it was more the idea that any team will not want more difficult non conference games. That is likely not only false, but is trending towards the opposite. Texas is literally the only school whining.

 

[pumpdog20]

I wasn’t suggesting IU will schedule ND, it was more the idea that any team will not want more difficult non conference games. That is likely not only false, but is trending towards the opposite. Texas is literally the only school whining.

OK... you brought up IU and for that one particular school, the trend is definitely not scheduling a hard/P4 opponent for non-con.
Guess we'll see if ND can continue to schedule SEC or Big Ten teams going forward.

 

[stlnd01]

We will be able to schedule B1G and SEC teams but I don’t quite know how you get around their refusal to play good non conference games after Week Four.

 

[Dale]

OK... you brought up IU and for that one particular school, the trend is definitely not scheduling a hard/P4 opponent for non-con.
Guess we'll see if ND can continue to schedule SEC or Big Ten teams going forward.

I don’t know we’re talking the same language. I’m well aware of their past, it’s why I cited it. I’m talking towards the future, which is the topic in question. IU as well as PSU and others stance has been a high ground approach that they play 9 conference games and the SEC plays 8. That high ground is gone. Their future SOS and therefore CFP resume will be impacted if they do not follow suit. That’s the whole point. There fundamentally should be more not less teams seeking a game in the near term, the issue is which part of the season.

 

[FWIrish4]

FWIW this guy is a well-followed insider that has been pretty spot on with conference realignment / playoffs

Sampson just tweeted this too…this may have legs. Sampson loves subtly dropping stuff like this.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Et tu, Brute?

Phillips spent five years in Notre Dame’s athletic department under Kevin White. Phillips’ two oldest children are both Notre Dame graduates, with oldest son Luke a former Irish track athlete.

 

[Dale]

I would love to know how often ND revisits the folder marked “Blow up the ACC” they have stored somewhere. Quarterly reviews?

 

[stlnd01]

Et tu, Brute?

Phillips spent five years in Notre Dame’s athletic department under Kevin White. Phillips’ two oldest children are both Notre Dame graduates, with oldest son Luke a former Irish track athlete.

Regardless, he’s got a job to do, and seems for the last few years to have seen part of his job as trying to pressure us into full membership.

It has not worked, and if he’s not very careful here, it might blow up his whole conference.

 

[BoredIrish]

It should also be mentioned that when ND joined the ACC, they were the pre-eminent basketball conference. Obviously that is no longer the case.

Just one more example of this ACC deal not living up to expectations.

 

[arrowryan]

FWIW this guy is a well-followed insider that has been pretty spot on with conference realignment / playoffs

I’ve heard similar things

 

[OrlaNDomer]

Nuke the ACC. Would make me feel better knowing we killed the conference if nothing else.

 

[NDPhilly]

Considering the SEC wants 10 P4 games and the B10 is going to have to match to try to stay competitive in SOS, i really dont think a partial partnership with either is out of the question. We aren't moving forward with moving out of the ACC without some assurances.

 

[IrishTusker]

The ACC should have seen this problem coming during the season, as some beat writers (e.g., John Brice) did when they pointed out that Miami being out of the ACCCG would hurt ND's CFP chances. This would create a Miami/ND fight and strain the ND/ACC relationship. But apart from that, the tiebreaker rules would hurt Miami and other ACC schools by potentially elevating non-CFP teams to the title game (like Duke). The way to maximize representation in the CFP is to do what the AAC did: make CFP rank the tiebreaker. The ACC could have changed the rules mid-season, right? So it would be Miami vs. UVA, Miami likely wins, and there is no Miami/ND issue.

Instead, they did nothing but campaign against ND, the bizarre tiebreaker applied, and we had a UVA team that was 7-1 in the ACC lose to a 7-5 Duke team in a half-empty stadium, thereby shoehorning a second G5 team into the playoff. This is one of several necessary conditions that worked to screw ND. The ACC desperately wanted Miami in the CFP. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

 

[Irishokie]

Never heard of the guy but he's got 30k+ followers

I’m just now catching up on today’s post, but what are the betting odds suggesting whether ND stays in or bounces? SIAP

 

[jprue24]

I’ve heard similar things

Like this is going to come up in the press conference tomorrow?

 

[spoonidentity]

FWIW this guy is a well-followed insider that has been pretty spot on with conference realignment / playoffs

I think, and I emphasize think, this is the guy who was on top of the Big 12 conference realignment. I feel like he has some sort of West Virginia connection.

ND alignment with Big XII incoming?

 

[arrowryan]

Like this is going to come up in the press conference tomorrow?

I don’t think it would move that fast

 

[rtrn2glory]

Turn it into the PAC 12

 

[jprue24]

I think, and I emphasize think, this is the guy who was on top of the Big 12 conference realignment. I feel like he has some sort of West Virginia connection.

ND alignment with Big XII incoming?

His pinned twitter post,

 

[IrishLax]

I’ve heard similar things

I didn't see these posts and I guess posted in the wrong thread when I got home from work, but this is basically what I heard this afteroon

The new hot rumor is that:
1. ND has already indicated to the ACC that they are exploring options and will pay them $0 if/when they leave because they violated some non-disparagement clause.

2. There is more than just "mean tweets"... allegedly there was some funny business in the room from SEC-aligned and ACC-aligned people to put Bama/Miami in. One for me, one for you. And ND thinks they'll be able to walk away from ACC (should they find a suitable dance partner) without this going to court because ESPN/ACC/etc. won't want embarrassing stuff coming out in depositions. I sorta have a hard time believing this, but there have also been a lot of cryptic comments the past two days alluding to collusion or it "being worse than you think."

Someone is leaking something, question is whether it's for leverage or if it's legit. Regardless, the timing of that Jim Phillips post makes a lot of sense if someone just dropped an anvil on him.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I think, and I emphasize think, this is the guy who was on top of the Big 12 conference realignment. I feel like he has some sort of West Virginia connection.

ND alignment with Big XII incoming?

He said back in March that Notre Dame and Georgia Tech to the B1G has legs.