9/11/2001

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How did I pretend it was profound? I merely agreed. I said, never forgotten- for me. Don't be a cock.
 
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Fbolt said:
How did I pretend it was profound? I merely agreed. I said, never forgotten- for me. Don't be a cock.
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And I responded the same way to who you "mErElY aGrEeD" with.

Don't be a pussy, what have "many" "forgot"?
 
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I’ll bite.

You have a large segment of New Yorkers/ younger Americans who weren’t alive that day or were very young, and only knew the costly foreign policy post 9/11. Add in the fact many under 35 Manhattanites are transplants that don’t know anyone impacted on that terrible day. I see regularly conspiracy theories, jokes, and other disturbing takes about 9/11 from people that are too privileged to have had experiences in their family or community from that day. There is a faction of New Yorkers/Americans that think saying “Never Forget” itself is a dog whistle for anti-Muslim rhetoric because to them, the hint of any patriotism denies the death that America may have inflicted in the Middle East that followed.

I don’t believe New York forgot but there’s definitely a growing generational distance from what that day actually meant to people who lived through it.

I choose to take anyone at their word not realizing “New York Forgot” is a dog whistle for anti-Muslim rhetoric as we are around 9/11, but the whole “New York Forgot” of course is spammed online to anything Mamdani does. It’s alright, learn and move on.

Anyway, really don’t think this thread is the place for this bickering so I’ll happily duck out here.
 
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notredomer23 said:
I’ll bite.

You have a large segment of New Yorkers/ younger Americans who weren’t alive that day or were very young, and only knew the costly foreign policy post 9/11. Add in the fact many under 35 Manhattanites are transplants that don’t know anyone impacted on that terrible day. I see regularly conspiracy theories, jokes, and other disturbing takes about 9/11 from people that are too privileged to have had experiences in their family or community from that day. There is a faction of New Yorkers/Americans that think saying “Never Forget” itself is a dog whistle for anti-Muslim rhetoric because to them, the hint of any patriotism denies the death that America may have inflicted in the Middle East that followed.

I don’t believe New York forgot but there’s definitely a growing generational distance from what that day actually meant to people who lived through it.

I choose to take anyone at their word not realizing “New York Forgot” is a dog whistle for anti-Muslim rhetoric as we are around 9/11, but the whole “New York Forgot” of course is spammed online to anything Mamdani does. It’s alright, learn and move on.

Anyway, really don’t think this thread is the place for this bickering so I’ll happily duck out here.
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I'm not going to talk about the Mamdani stuff as I think it shouldn't really be connected for the reasons you mention and I think you explained it well already. You bring up some great points about a growing generation distance that's being shown today, and how many young people can't fathom the way the world changed that day because they've lived in a world where there's always been tightened airport security, wars in the Middle East, and other repercussions. I imagine it's the same for the older generations that lived through Pearl Harbor, the younger generations know the history (Or most of us do) but we didn't live it so we probably don't have the same emotions.

Some of the crazy conspiracy theories and jokes certainly do feel disrespectful, and part of me wishes the younger generation could have seen the way the country responded afterwards. I've mentioned this before, but I worked in a retail store during college and every day for months after we would get customers asking for American flags, but we sold out every week and couldn't keep them stocked. I worked just one register in this big chain and I got 20-25 people a week that would leave disappointed as we'd be out of stock, likely hundreds of people overall coming to that store each week for months trying to get a flag. Everyone was unified, and it was over a tragedy, but you saw the real American spirit and love when the chips were down. We don't get to see that kind of true patriotism very often, maybe just spattering's of it at the Olympics or some holidays, but not like after 9/11. For a brief period people were truly united, and it was a beautiful thing.
 
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Didn't know this, apparently is true. Both MacFarlane and Wahlberg were supposed to be on that first flight.

 
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I wonder how same/different it is for previous generations and Pearl Harbor. Obviously one was an attack from a nation effectively declaring war, but both came out of nowhere and seemed to "wake up" the nation and bring many together. It's always good to remember the dead and pray for them
 
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Welles Crowther, hero. The horrors this man encountered on the 78th floor in the sky lobby are unimaginable. Yet he kept going back up to help. He was posthumously awarded the Medal of Freedom this week and I can’t think of anyone more deserving. Do a quick search on the 78th floor if you get a chance. God bless Welles.
 
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I can't forget that day if I tried. I choose, however, not to overly think about it much anymore. Even today. I was 23 years old and the events of that morning were beyond comprehension for me. The fear and sadness turned to anger. I was going to enlist. My high school principal Fr. Kenneth Molinaro had a conversation with me that led to me changing my mind.

He passed away this past February. I have been thinking about him this morning, about all of the pregame prayers on Friday nights. The way he knew the name of every student in that building. The lessons of life, leadership and love he provided were countless. Being on Kairos retreat with him in South Bend, on campus, and walking back from the Grotto to the retreat house. He saw things. He understood.

I'll be reaching out to my people today, making sure they're good. I'll tell them I love them, because too many people were lost 25 years ago today that will never get to say that again or hear that again. I remember them too, and hope that even thought I don't live a grand or famous life I can leave the world a little bit gentler and better than it was when I found it.

Rally.

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FDNYIrish1 said:
Welles Crowther, hero. The horrors this man encountered on the 78th floor in the sky lobby are unimaginable. Yet he kept going back up to help. He was posthumously awarded the Medal of Freedom this week and I can’t think of anyone more deserving. Do a quick search on the 78th floor if you get a chance. God bless Welles.
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One thing I’ve always thought here,… Obviously heartbreaking but also a very wonderful privilege for the family,… I don’t mean the notoriety or their son being remembered as a hero. Simply the privilege of knowing what he was doing and how his final moments played out,… most of the nearly 3000 families involved have only imagination to go with based off sparse little details, if any. Just knowing most of the story has to be a unique comfort for them.
 
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Saw a son of a man who died in the NT say it’s odd being able to watch your dad die whenever you want, so publicly, but that in a way he’s turned it into comfort… knowing most of us don’t get that ability to watch their loved one’s last moments on demand almost… just a reminder that so many still deal with the aftermath in the best way they can
 
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I was home on leave from Ft Bliss, and was at my local YMCA getting a workout in. I vividly remember the radio show I was listening to describing the scenes on tv as "spectacular, but I mean that in the most horrifying way possible". 6 hours later I got a call to head back to Bliss.
 
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People don't forget what happened. It's just that time went on, people die, people are born who have only history to learn about, not remember. Few Americans today REMEMBER Pearl Harbor, but we can still honor those lost that day, just like 9/11.

New York hasn't forgotten, it has just evolved. Those who are upset that Mamdani is Muslim are bigger snowflakes than anyone else, I don't care if I get downvoted for that. He isn't a terrorist. He isn't a fundamentalist. He isn't Al-Qaeda. No one was ever upset like this at Japanese Americans holding office after Pearl Harbor. Grow up.
 
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