5-stars signed under Brian Kelly

[Domina Nostra]

Food for thought:

2011
Aaron Lynch - Transferred after good freshman year
Ishaq Williams - No production, suspended and unable to return to team
Stephon Tuiit - Very few problems, productive, drafted high
Ben Koyack- solid contributor, NFL draft pick

2012
Gunner Kiel -red-shirted then transferred before he played
Davonte Neal- Transferred after little production
Tee Shepard- Transferred before he started playing

2013
Jaylon Smith- 3 productive years, drafted high
Max Redfield- 3 unproductive years, kicked off team
Greg Bryant- very little production, transferred
Eddie Vanderdose- transferred before he started playing

2014
Quentin Nelson- red-shirted, beast master
Nyles Morgan- very little production for first two years

2015
Alize Jones- unimpressive production first year, suspended Sophomore year

2016
Tommy Kraemer- ???
Daelin Hayes - ???

Through 2013, our hit rate was 36% (if you consider Ben Koyack a success). 64% of the time, ND's efforts were completely wasted.

Hopefully, Morgan will get on track, Alize will come back, Hayes will stay healthy, and we can get that percentage way up.

 

[BoredIrish]

I would bet that if you did a similar analysis for USC, the results would be similar.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The 5 stars are per 247 composite?


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[pkt77242]

Food for thought:

2011
Aaron Lynch - Transferred after good freshman year
Ishaq Williams - No production, suspended and unable to return to team
Stephon Tuiit - Very few problems, productive, drafted high
Ben Koyack- solid contributor, NFL draft pick

2012
Gunner Kiel -red-shirted then transferred before he played
Davonte Neal- Transferred after little production
Tee Shepard- Transferred before he started playing

2013
Jaylon Smith- 3 productive years, drafted high
Max Redfield- 3 unproductive years, kicked off team
Greg Bryant- very little production, transferred
Eddie Vanderdose- transferred before he started playing

2014
Quentin Nelson- red-shirted, beast master
Nyles Morgan- very little production for first two years

2015
Alize Jones- unimpressive production first year, suspended Sophomore year
Quentin Nelson- red-shirted, beastmaster

2016
Tommy Kraemer- ???
Daelin Hayes - ???

Through 2013, our hit rate was 36% (if you consider Ben Koyack a success). 64% of the time, ND's efforts were completely wasted.

Hopefully, Morgan will get on track, Alize will come back, Hayes will stay healthy, and we can get that percentage way up.

You list Nelson twice.

 

[Domina Nostra]

You list Nelson twice.

fixed.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The 5 stars are per 247 composite?


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No. Just someone, there may be one or two I missed on ESPN.

 

[NDBoiler]

You list Nelson twice.

He likes Nelson.

 

[BGIF]

You list Nelson twice.

Trying to put both best foot forward.

 

[Domina Nostra]

He likes Nelson.

This is true. We should take one every year.

 

[Circa]

Food for thought:

2011
Aaron Lynch - Transferred after good freshman year
Ishaq Williams - No production, suspended and unable to return to team
Stephon Tuiit - Very few problems, productive, drafted high
Ben Koyack- solid contributor, NFL draft pick

2012
Gunner Kiel -red-shirted then transferred before he played
Davonte Neal- Transferred after little production
Tee Shepard- Transferred before he started playing

2013
Jaylon Smith- 3 productive years, drafted high
Max Redfield- 3 unproductive years, kicked off team
Greg Bryant- very little production, transferred
Eddie Vanderdose- transferred before he started playing

2014
Quentin Nelson- red-shirted, beast master
Nyles Morgan- very little production for first two years

2015
Alize Jones- unimpressive production first year, suspended Sophomore year

2016
Tommy Kraemer- ???
Daelin Hayes - ???

Through 2013, our hit rate was 36% (if you consider Ben Koyack a success). 64% of the time, ND's efforts were completely wasted.

Hopefully, Morgan will get on track, Alize will come back, Hayes will stay healthy, and we can get that percentage way up.

In less words then 5 star tell me what's wrong with the super athletic kids.

 

[Luckylucci]

In most of those scenarios they just weren't profile fits. The staff, post 2014 or 15' classes stated that they needed to focus more on fit and less on just pure talent. Understanding that one of the biggest hurdles was not recruiting talent but it being around and productive on the field. Which it won't be, if it can't stay in school. I'd bet that it'll be a much better hit rate post that timeframe.

 

[Domina Nostra]

In most of those scenarios it wasn't talent but profile fit or lack there of. The staff, post 2014 or 15' classes stated that they needed to focus more on fit and less on just pure talent. Understanding that one of the biggest hurdles was not recruiting talent but it being around and productive on the field. Which it won't be, if it can't stay in school. I'd bet that it'll be a much better hit rate post that timeframe.

Exactly, but its also why only 1-2 are available in an average year, rather than 3-4.

 

[DONTH8]

Waiting for Koon to show up and tell us the reason we aren't elite is the lack of 5 stars...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Waiting for Koon to show up and tell us the reason we aren't elite is the lack of 5 stars...

Well that list shows an absurd 9 of them left under less than optimal circumstances (including Jones suspension). It's a lack of keeping them, not getting them IMO.

 

[Luckylucci]

Exactly, but its also why only 1-2 are available in an average year, rather than 3-4.

Yes, and that's just the reality of a place like ND. A majority of the 5 star players aren't going to want to be here. So in understanding that, I have the perspective that I'm ok with not signing those players as in the long run, they won't be as productive as guys that fit. Even if you lose a little in the area of talent. I think there are plenty of players out there that coached well, with proper S&C, and work ethic, can win you a lot of football games. Plenty for ND to pick from. Just might not look the same.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Yes, and that's just the reality of a place like ND. A majority of the 5 star players aren't going to want to be here. So in understanding that, I have the perspective that I'm ok with not signing those players as in the long run, they won't be as productive as guys that fit. Even if you lose a little in the area of talent. I think there are plenty of players out there that coached well, with proper S&C, and work ethic, can win you a lot of football games. Plenty for ND to pick from. Just might not look the same.

Yeah, that's how I see it to.

My point here was to say that what ND should aspire to is excellent players who are a good fit. But talking generically about 5-stars is, in my opinion, fool's gold. It's not a path for ND success, considering how their are just too few of them, and not a particular high % are ND type kids.

Of course you take the Manti's and Jaylons when they come, but you'll do just fine with a Ronnie Stanley, Zaire/Kizer, Nix, Adams, Procise, Hayseed, Riddick, Eifert, etc....

 

[Luckylucci]

Exactly. Good overall post and point.

 

[TomHaverford]

man looks like Michigan's hit rate on 5*'s from same time period. Ours is probably worse because we've ha less than ND since 2011.

Off the top of my head...

5* OL Kyle Kalis = ass. major disappointment. physical specimen. stupid football player. blows blocking assignments like it's his job. Hoping he loses his job to true frosh Ben Bredeson.

5* RB Derrick Green = ass. showed up his frosh year fat and out of shape. had no vision. transferred.

5* DT Ondre Pipkins = always injured. never played. transferred.

5* OL Kyle Bosch = kid was a mental head case. transferred.

5* DB Jabrill Peppers = REAL DEAL Holyfield.

5* DL Rashan Gary = too early to tell, but my guess here is he'll be the real thing.

Shane Morris was a 5* recruit at one point. Free fell in the rankings though. COMPLETE ASS.

Only signed 6 five stars total since 2011-2016. Would've been 7 if Morris held his ranking. That's not that great in terms of getting the 5*'s. Throw in Morris there just for shits and giggles.

In all only ONE of that group of 7 was as good as pegged- Peppers- with the other one Gary- being to early too tell. IF he is the real deal, it'd be 2 out of 7- or 28.5%. Fucking terrible.

To be an elite program you need your 5*'s to freaking play like 5*'s.

 

[Junkhead]

Food for thought:

2011

Ben Koyack- solid contributor, NFL draft pick

Potential.

 

[bluengold4732]

Some of these guys weren't composite 5 stars and so this must be players who were rated 5* by one of the four recruiting services. Daelin hayes was a 5* on rivals but his composite score was like a 94. Same could be said for others as well. Only Lynch, Ishaq, Kiel, Jaylon, and Redfield were composite five stars.

 

[DCirishfan]

Some of these guys weren't composite 5 stars and so this must be players who were rated 5* by one of the four recruiting services. Daelin hayes was a 5* on rivals but his composite score was like a 94. Same could be said for others as well. Only Lynch, Ishaq, Kiel, Jaylon, and Redfield were composite five stars.

I thought ishaq and lynch were cw recruits?

 

[pkt77242]

I thought ishaq and lynch were cw recruits?

Nope. Diaco landed Ishaq and Lynch was the same year. Both were Kelly's recruits.

 

[dad4aa]

I thought ishaq and lynch were cw recruits?

Nope. Diaco camped out and caught Ishaq at 5:00 AM getting ready to head out on a visit and convinced him not to go and come to ND. One of only a few recruits Diaco got. Too bad he didn't live up to the hype.

 

[koonja]

Guys stars don't matter, don't you know, someone can name drop a 3-star that went to the NFL in a second.

Now let me get back to Bama and Clemson, who recruit 4/5 stars only, and are playing for the title for the 2nd straight year.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Guys stars don't matter, don't you know, someone can name drop a 3-star that went to the NFL in a second.

Now let me get back to Bama and Clemson, who recruit 4/5 stars only, and are playing for the title for the 2nd straight year.

Not true. Take a look at Clemsons classes the past 5 years or so. You will see a lot of 4 stars and a good amount of 5 stars. But Clemson has more 3 stars that they coach up than you would think.


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[stlnd01]

Not true. Take a look at Clemsons classes the past 5 years or so. You will see a lot of 4 stars and a good amount of 5 stars. But Clemson has more 3 stars that they coach up than you would think.


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Yep. Per 247 we recruited higher-ranked classes than they did in 2013 and 2014, though they beat us the last two years. 21 three-stars in their junior and senior classes this year.

 

[Irishize]

Guys stars don't matter, don't you know, someone can name drop a 3-star that went to the NFL in a second.

Now let me get back to Bama and Clemson, who recruit 4/5 stars only, and are playing for the title for the 2nd straight year.

How many stars did the kid have for Clemson who caught the game winning TD and balled out vs Bama in the NC two years in a row?

 

[Irish#1]

Guys stars don't matter, don't you know, someone can name drop a 3-star that went to the NFL in a second.

Now let me get back to Bama and Clemson, who recruit 4/5 stars only, and are playing for the title for the 2nd straight year.

Just when you started to earn a little credibility with Longo, you go and blow it all with a comment like this.

 

[ulukinatme]

You list Nelson twice.

He likes Nelson

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Just when you started to earn a little credibility with Longo, you go and blow it all with a comment like this.

Who says he has any credibility? Broken clocks and all that.

 

[ND NYC]

how can we expect to get any 5 stars in any meaningful, consistent way with our HS "foreign language" requirement when most of them can hardly speak English let alone Spanish or French?