'25 IN CB Mark Zackery (Notre Dame Signee)

Rocketman84

Well-known member
Messages
1,193
Reaction score
478
While you're out there, double check 247 and Rivals. Take a look at who currently sits at 22 commits and the first overall ranked football recruiting class in America on this Tuesday after Labor Day.

We're going to need a mop and a diaper bag for a few people.
On the 28th of May is pretty good as it has been twice before in the Spring, but I think all would agree it' most important come SIGNING DAY. I'd be pleased with a Top 3-5 class come signing day, but the "Usual Suspects" who sit with 9-12 commits always close with vengeance.
 

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
8,628
Reaction score
7,089
On the 28th of May is pretty good as it has been twice before in the Spring, but I think all would agree it' most important come SIGNING DAY. I'd be pleased with a Top 3-5 class come signing day, but the "Usual Suspects" who sit with 9-12 commits always close with vengeance.
ND will end up 6-10 as usual with a 70-85 BCR.
 

Rocketman84

Well-known member
Messages
1,193
Reaction score
478
ND will end up 6-10 as usual with a 70-85 BCR.
If that's the case, then again no need for the extreme excitement of #1 Spring classes, which we tend to have because we have 18+ commits by Spring/Summer. We need to start finishing in the 3-5 range, as opposed to 8-12 range. Last two times we were #1 in Spring we ended up 7th and 9th.
 

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
8,628
Reaction score
7,089
If that's the case, then again no need for the extreme excitement of #1 Spring classes, which we tend to have because we have 18+ commits by Spring/Summer. We need to start finishing in the 3-5 range, as opposed to 8-12 range. Last two times we were #1 in Spring we ended up 7th and 9th.
Exactly.
 

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Messages
41,578
Reaction score
15,931
If that's the case, then again no need for the extreme excitement of #1 Spring classes, which we tend to have because we have 18+ commits by Spring/Summer. We need to start finishing in the 3-5 range, as opposed to 8-12 range. Last two times we were #1 in Spring we ended up 7th and 9th.
It's not where you start, but where you finish. On the other hand, having a #1 class for a while has to help some when talking to recruits.

Part of the flaw the ranking system is getting points for the number of recruits in a class. I'd take a class of 22 commits over a 25 commit class if the 22 has two or three 5* kids and the 25 doesn't.
 

GowerND11

Well-known member
Messages
5,992
Reaction score
2,022
It's not where you start, but where you finish. On the other hand, having a #1 class for a while has to help some when talking to recruits.

Part of the flaw the ranking system is getting points for the number of recruits in a class. I'd take a class of 22 commits over a 25 commit class if the 22 has two or three 5* kids and the 25 doesn't.
Typically though we get 22 with a lot of solid 4* kids, MAYBE one 5*. The 25+ classes are the ones with three to four 5*s
 

Jiggafini19Deux

What do you hillbillies want?
Messages
11,491
Reaction score
10,954
On the 28th of May is pretty good as it has been twice before in the Spring, but I think all would agree it' most important come SIGNING DAY. I'd be pleased with a Top 3-5 class come signing day, but the "Usual Suspects" who sit with 9-12 commits always close with vengeance.
i-don-t-care-gif-file-882kb-xhfbzc39v8htpw22.gif
 

Rocketman84

Well-known member
Messages
1,193
Reaction score
478
It's not where you start, but where you finish. On the other hand, having a #1 class for a while has to help some when talking to recruits.

Part of the flaw the ranking system is getting points for the number of recruits in a class. I'd take a class of 22 commits over a 25 commit class if the 22 has two or three 5* kids and the 25 doesn't.
Agreed, I mean a class of 27 with 22~3* and 5~4* would rate highly with this point system. Most if not all would certainly take the 22 commits over the 25 commits. Having the #1 class at a point helps a bit but it helps more the later in the process it is as opposed to being early in the process for some of the big fish.
 

Rocketman84

Well-known member
Messages
1,193
Reaction score
478
I think we're all fully aware that ND won't have the top rated class by December. But having it in June with 22 verbal commitments is a good place to be.
If we take 28, it's actually possible (barring no more 3* projects) we NEED at least 2 LBs, 2 WRs, another DB and would take PK Schmidt who is deciding between WISC/ND. I have yet to do the math but if we close with Meadows AND/OR Robinson, Hines, NOB, Faraimo, Blair and Joseph where do we sit as far as points Averaging the past 5 classes 304.6 is the avg for a Top 3 finish and 323.9 for #1 with the outlier being A&M's HISTORIC '22 class with 333 points and the top 4 classes with 300+ points.
 

CanadalovesND

Well-known member
Messages
5,969
Reaction score
4,761
If we take 28, it's actually possible (barring no more 3* projects) we NEED at least 2 LBs, 2 WRs, another DB and would take PK Schmidt who is deciding between WISC/ND. I have yet to do the math but if we close with Meadows AND/OR Robinson, Hines, NOB, Faraimo, Blair and Joseph where do we sit as far as points Averaging the past 5 classes 304.6 is the avg for a Top 3 finish and 323.9 for #1 with the outlier being A&M's HISTORIC '22 class with 333 points and the top 4 classes with 300+ points.

ND is likely to finish around the 280-285 mark, which looks to be in that 5-8 range the last few cycles
 

Jiggafini19Deux

What do you hillbillies want?
Messages
11,491
Reaction score
10,954
If we take 28, it's actually possible (barring no more 3* projects) we NEED at least 2 LBs, 2 WRs, another DB and would take PK Schmidt who is deciding between WISC/ND. I have yet to do the math but if we close with Meadows AND/OR Robinson, Hines, NOB, Faraimo, Blair and Joseph where do we sit as far as points Averaging the past 5 classes 304.6 is the avg for a Top 3 finish and 323.9 for #1 with the outlier being A&M's HISTORIC '22 class with 333 points and the top 4 classes with 300+ points.
Agree on takes and need. The rest I will take your word for it.

The number of takes who are culture fits that are most likely to stay and get a degree is my primary concern. Points and ranking on these sites don't really do anything for me. I understand it is a bar for many and that's completely fine because it isn't lost on me that not everyone consumes the sport the way I do. I still maintain that Freeman needs to have a sniff at ND to turn a few more heads on the recruiting trail and in the portal. Rightfully so and I think that's fair.

As someone who used to evaluate I-AA players, I tend to see the strengths in just about every three star player I can lay my eyes on. Some of them are just guys, and that's fine that we don't get overly excited about them if there isn't a reason to, but I haven't really seen many guys come in under Freeman where I've had cause for concern that they've overly reached. Reached maybe, but not overly. Again, I know some of these guys are reaches for many of the other posters here, though.
 

a mike

Well-known member
Messages
381
Reaction score
308
Part of the flaw the ranking system is getting points for the number of recruits in a class. I'd take a class of 22 commits over a 25 commit class if the 22 has two or three 5* kids and the 25 doesn't.
There is efficacy to having a class of 25 over a class of only 22. And I'm actually not sure why ND remains conservative with managing their number of takes--especially in these changing times

And all things being equal for the rest of the class--I believe with the way the math shakes out the 22 man class with two or three 5* would finish above the 25 man class. But may be wrong there, not sure
 

Rocketman84

Well-known member
Messages
1,193
Reaction score
478
ND is likely to finish around the 280-285 mark, which looks to be in that 5-8 range the last few cycles
Is that the number with all those guys committing? Only 16-20 more points? I can see based on the volume of 3* guys we seem to take we will have about a 91 average but with 28 commits I would think that number would be closer to 294-300 range.
 

PolishDomer

Well-known member
Messages
760
Reaction score
1,086
Is that the number with all those guys committing? Only 16-20 more points? I can see based on the volume of 3* guys we seem to take we will have about a 91 average but with 28 commits I would think that number would be closer to 294-300 range.
This thread makes my head hurt
math-raccoon.gif
 

CanadalovesND

Well-known member
Messages
5,969
Reaction score
4,761
Is that the number with all those guys committing? Only 16-20 more points? I can see based on the volume of 3* guys we seem to take we will have about a 91 average but with 28 commits I would think that number would be closer to 294-300 range.

You can use the class calculator tool and see what numbers you get. Different combos with different prospects will lead to marginal point differences.

24/7 has a specific algorithm for it. I'm afraid I'll butcher it if I attempt to break it down.

I took an ambien. I'm of no use to this planet right now.
 

Wild Bill

Well-known member
Messages
5,198
Reaction score
2,499
I thought it would be the kid from Fishers that committed to Stanford. Can't blame the kid for getting a Tree degree but damn he would have been a great addition to this class.

Zackery can play ball too. Is his dad a coach at Ben Davis? I thought I read that and it would make a lot of sense.
 

Irish du Nord

Well-known member
Messages
2,592
Reaction score
2,099
I thought it would be the kid from Fishers that committed to Stanford. Can't blame the kid for getting a Tree degree but damn he would have been a great addition to this class.

Zackery can play ball too. Is his dad a coach at Ben Davis? I thought I read that and it would make a lot of sense.
Yeah that’s his Dad
 

FU BK

Well-known member
Messages
887
Reaction score
1,334
Named to the Indiana basketball team to play Kentucky in June
 

MacIrish75

They scanned my cat. I can play!
Messages
7,275
Reaction score
13,276
Named to the Indiana basketball team to play Kentucky in June
Love him as a prospect for us, but don’t get me started lol. He absolutely did not deserve this nom based on his body of work this year.
 

Irish2155

Well-known member
Messages
5,940
Reaction score
1,501
Top