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[Whiskeyjack]

Time for an ND booster to start throwing around some serious NIL money. ND's QB situation is getting straight up embarrassing.

Sure glad Reese didn't leave for LSU.

Among CFB blue bloods, there's no school where boosters have less influence than ND.

 

[BobbyMac]

Let's be honest, anyone checking a message board daily doesn't have the cash to move the needle via NIL.

Spoken like a man who didn't post in Wild Man's crypto thread 4 years ago.

 

[GATTACA!]

Among CFB blue bloods, there's no school where boosters have less influence than ND.

Don't even do it through the university or the football program. Just put it out on twitter or something. Let it be known that the next 5* QB that signs with ND is getting $3 million dollars.

 

[calvegas04]

Don't even do it through the university or the football program. Just put it out on twitter or something. Let it be known that the next 5* QB that signs with ND is getting $3 million dollars.

ND twitter would raise about $3k

 

[GATTACA!]

ND twitter would raise about $3k

What is that in Stanley nickels?

 

[Irishnuke]

Honest question. What is everyone’s confidence level that Rees will get one his “Big 3”? I’m probably at a 4/10 and dropping.

I’d love to say “it’s still early”, but Rees’ history in this doesn’t give me any good feelings. I’m a fan of him as an OC, but he’s becoming a little suspect in QB recruiting.

0/10

 

[SoIll]

Loys last comment sounds like this sucker is over..

"FWIW, beyond Wiltfong's prediction, I'm expecting things to end well for Oklahoma here soon enough."

 

[Irish#1]

Don't even do it through the university or the football program. Just put it out on twitter or something. Let it be known that the next 5* QB that signs with ND is getting $3 million dollars.

Fire up that Go Fund Me page and let's get this ball rolling.

 

[Free Manera]

ND is going to need to sign a grad transfer QB every year aren’t they.

 

[GATTACA!]

Fire up that Go Fund Me page and let's get this ball rolling.

And I’ll hang onto it until whenever it needs to be handed out. How much interest do you think I can collect on it between now and 2029?

 

[NDBoiler]

And I’ll hang onto it until whenever it needs to be handed out. How much interest do you think I can collect on it between now and 2029?

Put it in an S&P fund and average 10% a year, you’ll double it in 7 years

 

[ColinKSU]

ND is going to need to sign a grad transfer QB every year aren’t they.

Probably.

According to his defenders, Tommy needs at least 4-5 more seasons as an OC before he can be expected to land top QB prospects out of high school.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Probably.

According to his defenders, Tommy needs at least 4-5 more seasons as an OC before he can be expected to land top QB prospects out of high school.

Curious as to whether you think Tyler Buchner was a top prospect

 

[Irish4life]

Probably.

According to his defenders, Tommy needs at least 4-5 more seasons as an OC before he can be expected to land top QB prospects out of high school.

Why are we writing off Buchner?

 

[benneboy]

Curious as to whether you think Tyler Buchner was a top prospect

I assume they considered him a 5* caliber recruit if they were willing to pass on a 5* in JJ McCarthy. I don't have a major issue with Tommy's Qb recruiting thus far. I think TB is going to be awesome. He needs to bring in another top level guy this year though. Not a 3rd or 4th option, but at least one of the current offers.

 

[tko]

ND is going to need to sign a grad transfer QB every year aren’t they.

Seems like it right?

 

[ColinKSU]

Curious as to whether you think Tyler Buchner was a top prospect

Was he ranked as one? Yes. But I don’t think he’s that tier of QB talent. He played extremely weak competition as a high school underclassman and we never saw him against top talent. He also performed poorly at the camps he went to in hope of improving his stock. He has no resume to sell me on him and we’re expected to go off of “trust me, bro.”

From what I’ve seen as a thrower to this point, I think his mechanics leave a ton to be desired. He need a ton of development, and I don’t know if he’s going to ever get that.

Pyne’s going to be seen as Notre Dame’s best option at QB by Rees, and I don’t really like him a ton either.

 

[benneboy]

Was he ranked as one? Yes. But I don’t think he’s that tier of QB talent. He played extremely weak competition as a high school underclassman and we never saw him against top talent. He also performed poorly at the camps he went to in hope of improving his stock. He has no resume to sell me on him and we’re expected to go off of “trust me, bro.”

From what I’ve seen as a thrower to this point, I think his mechanics leave a ton to be desired. He need a ton of development, and I don’t know if he’s going to ever get that.

Pyne’s going to be seen as Notre Dame’s best option at QB by Rees, and I don’t really like him a ton either.

One of us is going to be really wrong on this one.

 

[ColinKSU]

One of us is going to be really wrong on this one.

I’m OK with being wrong, but I don’t think I am.

 

[Irish4life]

Was he ranked as one? Yes. But I don’t think he’s that tier of QB talent. He played extremely weak competition as a high school underclassman and we never saw him against top talent. He also performed poorly at the camps he went to in hope of improving his stock. He has no resume to sell me on him and we’re expected to go off of “trust me, bro.”

From what I’ve seen as a thrower to this point, I think his mechanics leave a ton to be desired. He need a ton of development, and I don’t know if he’s going to ever get that.

Pyne’s going to be seen as Notre Dame’s best option at QB by Rees, and I don’t really like him a ton either.

Buchner pushed for PT as a true freshman (something that none of the other top QB recruits ND has brought in since Kelly has done), and they put him in tough situations rather frequently. He wasn't ready to start at ND in 2021, and needs work as a passer. I agree. Freshman QBs are not finished products, Tommy Rees is a good QB coach. I have no reason to believe that Buchner will not develop from year 1 to year 2 and earn the starting QB job.

 

[ColinKSU]

Buchner pushed for PT as a true freshman (something that none of the other top QB recruits ND has brought in since Kelly has done), and they put him in tough situations rather frequently. He wasn't ready to start at ND in 2021, and needs work as a passer. I agree. Freshman QBs are not finished products, Tommy Rees is a good QB coach. I have no reason to believe that Buchner will not develop from year 1 to year 2 and earn the starting QB job.

I think he pushed for PT as a true freshman because he brought something to the room that they didn’t have in his running ability.

If Pyne could run like Buchner, I don’t think you’d have seen Tyler because Drew’s a better passer. I believe it was Pyne listed as Coan’s backup on the depth chart the entire season.

 

[Irish4life]

I think he pushed for PT as a true freshman because he brought something to the room that they didn’t have in his running ability.

If Pyne could run like Buchner, I don’t think you’d have seen Tyler on the field because Drew’s a better passer. I believe it was Pyne listed as Coan’s backup on the depth chart the entire season.

And Michael Mayer was listed as ND's 3rd string TE throughout 2020 lol. Also, very confused why you think Pyne is a better passer than Buchner? Buchner has Pyne beaten in completion percentage and Y/A. I'll give Pyne the TD/INT ratio and that he has good mechanics.

 

[NDBoiler]

I think sometimes what gets forgotten about Buchner is that the kid only really played 2 years of high school football. He missed his sophomore year due to injury and senior year due to California shutting down sports in 2020. To have missed that much time and still be able to see that much of the field in his freshman year is pretty damn good. Sure he still needs to have a strong offseason of development for potentially starting next season, but he has provided some really good production so far in light of how far behind he is in his career, and that in itself is very impressive.

 

[ColinKSU]

And Michael Mayer was listed as ND's 3rd string TE throughout 2020 lol. Also, very confused why you think Pyne is a better passer than Buchner? Buchner has Pyne beaten in completion percentage and Y/A. I'll give Pyne the TD/INT ratio and that he has good mechanics.

Both QBs had a small sample size, so I’m not sure the completion percentage or the TD/INT numbers tell a story for either. I think Drew does more of what Tommy wants in his QBs.

He isn’t the playmaker Buchner is, but he brings more of what Book brought in that he’s mobile, but he takes care of the ball, distributes it around and runs the offense. He probably isn’t going to make a lot of boneheaded decisions with the ball because he trusts his arm or legs and tries to make a play by himself. Rees is a scheme guy and he values the plays on paper.

I’m saying that if someone was frustrated because they didn’t understand why Tommy stuck with Book, then they should prepare for the same when he goes with Pyne.

 

[Irish4life]

I think Drew does more of what Tommy wants in his QBs.

He isn’t the playmaker Buchner is, but he brings more of what Book brought in that he’s mobile, but he takes care of the ball, distributes it around and runs the offense. He probably isn’t going to make a lot of boneheaded decisions with the ball because he’s trying to make a play by himself.

I’m saying that if someone was frustrated because they didn’t understand why Tommy stuck with Book, then they should prepare for the same when he goes with Pyne.

Tommy stuck with Book because he was pretty clearly the best available option at QB. Jurkovec did nothing at ND to prove that he was a better option than Book, and frankly, he's done nothing at BC to make me believe that either. And uh, frankly, I see 0 evidence that Pyne is "mobile" lol. Book never had a season in his career rushing for less than 200 yards at ND. Pyne ran for....-6 yards last year.

 

[ColinKSU]

Tommy stuck with Book because he was pretty clearly the best available option at QB. Jurkovec did nothing at ND to prove that he was a better option than Book, and frankly, he's done nothing at BC to make me believe that either. And uh, frankly, I see 0 evidence that Pyne is "mobile" lol. Book never had a season in his career rushing for less than 200 yards at ND. Pyne ran for....-6 yards last year.

He was credited with *six* rushing attempts on the season. If I wanted to say Buchner was inaccurate, I could have used his three picks to three TD.

As a senior in high school, Drew rushed for 259 yards and eight touchdowns. He ran a 4.7 40 as a recruit. He’s mobile, but he isn’t a running QB.

 

[Irish4life]

He was credited with *six* rushing attempts on the season. If I wanted to say Buchner was inaccurate, I could have used his three picks to three TD.

As a senior in high school, Drew rushed for 259 yards and eight touchdowns. He ran a 4.7 40 as a recruit. He’s mobile, but he isn’t a running QB.

Yeah, Buchner had a 1-1 TD/INT ratio in limited snaps. Same as..........Ian Book in 2017. Also pretty weird that you said we shouldn't believe in Buchner because he dominated terrible competition in HS while also trying to use Pyne HS stats against crappy competition as evidence that he's "mobile".

 

[ColinKSU]

Yeah, Buchner had a 1-1 TD/INT ratio in limited snaps. Same as..........Ian Book in 2017. Also pretty weird that you said we shouldn't believe in Buchner because he dominated terrible competition while also trying to use Pyne HS stats against crappy competition as evidence that he's "mobile".

Tommy wasn’t the OC in 2017. I’m discussing what Tommy values as an OC.

And as far as competition goes, Drew played at the highest level in CT and won two state titles, while Tyler played at the second lowest level in California and didn’t win a state title.

The level of competition *is* different. The entire state of California isn’t Servite and Mater Dei.

 

[Irish4life]

Tommy wasn’t the OC in 2017. I’m discussing what Tommy values as an OC.

And as far as competition goes, Drew played at the highest level in CT and won two state titles, while Tyler played at the second lowest level in California and didn’t win a state title.

So, let me get this straight. You're trying to argue that Drew Pyne's running ability against "high level HS competition" in.....Connecticut, is more telling of his mobility than his running ability against.....D1 FBS competition? So, based on that logic they could've easily put Pyne in the same role as Buchner then, right? Why didn't they? You're also trying to argue that Buchner isn't that much more mobile than Pyne because Buchner played in a lower league in California, while ignoring that he ran for 7.3 yards per carry against..the same D1 FBS competition? Tommy not being the OC in 2017 is irrelevant to that comparison. Buchner and Book both saw limited action in year 1 (year 2 for Book cuz he redshirted) of their careers at ND in backup/support roles, and came out with similar completion percentages and TD/INT ratios.

 

[benneboy]

Tommy wasn’t the OC in 2017. I’m discussing what Tommy values as an OC.

And as far as competition goes, Drew played at the highest level in CT and won two state titles, while Tyler played at the second lowest level in California and didn’t win a state title.

The level of competition *is* different. The entire state of California isn’t Servite and Mater Dei.

If we are to believe what Rees says, he's of the mindset that he gears his offense to the players strengths, not the other way around. The offense this year was a result of Coans strengths and weaknesses. I'm hoping it evolves to fit Buchners.

I'm hoping the offense is opened up more than ever next year with a QB that doesn't have a glaring hole in their game. Assuming Buchner can be fairly accurate it will be the first time we've had that under Rees. Both Book and Coan were really good qbs, but one couldn't throw a deep ball and had athletically limited WR's, the other was a statue.