'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[Jiggafini19Deux]

So if CJ reclassifies to 2023 did they still fuck up 2023? If the backup plan to a 5 star QB was a 5 star QB? If they flip someone late like OSU flipped Devin Brown last cycle did they still fuck up 2023? Heck people were getting on Florida for missing on QB this cycle one day and then they had Marcus Stokes the next day.

I don’t get why we’re in a hurry to make sweeping statements in July. Let it play out.

Agreed.

Knowing what Freeman has said about how he views recruiting, I don't think the coffin is nailed shut and in the dirt in July for QB in 2023. If Carr ends up reclassifying, that's the game changer. Then you start working 2024 to get someone in.

There has to be a guy in every class, the more elite the better. These other programs are bringing in a four or five star QB every year. There is zero reason why ND can't do it too under Freeman and Rees.

The creature of habit just wants to rip Tommy Rees apart because it's practically a reflex.

 

[NDty9]

Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson are stacked with four and five star QBs every year. The idea that a recruit can't handle another guy coming in before or after him in this era is pretty odd to me.

Maybe Oregon won't have that issue, but if they're dolling out sweet NIL deals, I'm guessing they're more than inclined to go after a 2024 five star and someone will be more than inclined to accept in order to go give Dante a run for his money up there.

Thisssssss!!!! We should not EVER hesitate to pull the trigger on a STUD who wants to commit, in fear of another studs feelings being hurt

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Trust me - that is exactly what happened. They took a 2024 QB from a well-known football family who happens to be actually OLDER than Dante and there was discussions or reclassifying to 2023. Part of this was ending the recruitment of Dante. They could have delayed or not agreed to suspend recruiting Dante but Rees didn't. They also agreed to stop recruiting Julian Sayin too FWIW. Sayin is a legit 5 Star that had ND at the top of his list.

There was a lot going on. ND fans here don't want to admit it but that is the case. Now, ND might look at QBs for 2023 that will make Angeli look like Joe Montana.

I like getting Carr for 2024 but not with pushing away from Dante. Rees should have taken Carr only for 2024 until Dante's recruitment was finished. That didn't happen.

Again, do you have any inside info here or are you just trying to state your opinions as facts?

 

[ACamp1900]

In the end, just remember these are 17 year olds dudes...

Excuse me, but I’m 40, pretty sure Ulk, LAX and Jigga are all around there too.

 

[Blazers46]

Less is Moore or Moore is less. 🤔

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Excuse me, but I’m 40, pretty sure Ulk, LAX and Jigga are all around there too.

44. Middle aged AF.

I don't care the circumstances, you don't say no to Carr if he wants in. That's absolutely crazy. Not when these other programs take a five star QB every single year.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Less is Moore or Moore is less. 🤔

Is that a Charmin Ultra Soft player comp you're making for Dante?

 

[stlnd01]

Again, do you have any inside info here or are you just trying to state your opinions as facts?

Hey Drunk said “trust me.” He couldn’t possibly be talking out his ass here.

 

[ACamp1900]

Less is Moore or Moore is less. 🤔

Les is more, Kelly is less.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Anyway as quiet as he's been lately I fully expect him to commit to Ohio St

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

44. Middle aged AF.

I don't care the circumstances, you don't say no to Carr if he wants in. That's absolutely crazy. Not when these other programs take a five star QB every single year.

Do you believe this? Or is it hyperbole?

 

[Dale]

Do you believe this? Or is it hyperbole?

other programs = Alabama lol

Georgia isn’t doing it. OSU did for a bit and got burned and is now not doing it. Clemson doesn’t do it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Do you believe this? Or is it hyperbole?

Four or five. You know what I'm getting at.

Alabama. Ohio State. OU under Riley. Clemson. UGA. They've all had multiple elite QBs on their rosters at the same time very recently.

UGA went Eason, Fromm, Fields in three consecutive signing classes. The year after Fields they took two: a four star from Michigan and Stetson Bennett. The portal and everything else sorts itself out down the road. The idea is keep bringing in a guy every single cycle and let the dust settle when they compete.

Notre Dame has won a lot of games in recent years under Kelly and now have a young coach who is rebranding the program by recruiting his ass off. There is zero reason why they can't have an Eason Fromm Fields under this regime and keep doing it multiple times down the line.

So yeah, I believe it. They can offer enough NIL money and a winning program to attract a elite QB recruit every single year. If Rees leaves for the NFL, so be it. Replace him with a young OC and hope that guy gets taken down the line. Price of football success.

 

[Irish4life]

Four or five. You know what I'm getting at.

Alabama. Ohio State. OU under Riley. Clemson. UGA. They've all had multiple elite QBs on their rosters at the same time very recently.

UGA went Eason, Fromm, Fields in three consecutive signing classes. The year after Fields they took two: a four star from Michigan and Stetson Bennett. The portal and everything else sorts itself out down the road. The idea is keep bringing in a guy every single cycle and let the dust settle when they compete.

Notre Dame has won a lot of games in recent years under Kelly and now have a young coach who is rebranding the program by recruiting his ass off. There is zero reason why they can't have an Eason Fromm Fields under this regime and keep doing it multiple times down the line.

So yeah, I believe it. They can offer enough NIL money and a winning program to attract a elite QB recruit every single year. If Rees leaves for the NFL, so be it. Replace him with a young OC and hope that guy gets taken down the line. Price of football success.

If/when Rees moves on from being ND's OC, I'd go with an experienced OC and an up and comer QB coach.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

other programs = Alabama lol

Georgia isn’t doing it. OSU did for a bit and got burned and is now not doing it. Clemson doesn’t do it.

Vizzina committed there one year after they signed Klubnik in the class before. Two fivers per 247. Even if they're four stars somewhere else, whatever. Elite. Guy before Klubnik was a three star from GA named Bubba and before him was DJ. Five star.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If/when Rees moves on from being ND's OC, I'd go with an experienced OC and an up and comer QB coach.

I agree.

This can happen while Rees is still here, though. You've got Carr in hand. That's a start.

 

[Dale]

Four or five. You know what I'm getting at.

Alabama. Ohio State. OU under Riley. Clemson. UGA. They've all had multiple elite QBs on their rosters at the same time very recently.

UGA went Eason, Fromm, Fields in three consecutive signing classes. The year after Fields they took two: a four star from Michigan and Stetson Bennett. The portal and everything else sorts itself out down the road. The idea is keep bringing in a guy every single cycle and let the dust settle when they compete.

Notre Dame has won a lot of games in recent years under Kelly and now have a young coach who is rebranding the program by recruiting his ass off. There is zero reason why they can't have an Eason Fromm Fields under this regime and keep doing it multiple times down the line.

So yeah, I believe it. They can offer enough NIL money and a winning program to attract a elite QB recruit every single year. If Rees leaves for the NFL, so be it. Replace him with a young OC and hope that guy gets taken down the line. Price of football success.

We went from 5 stars every year to just the qualifier of multiple elite QBs on the roster. Those are fundamentally different, and the NIL era is also a new starting point. OSU essentially skipped the 2023 class to get their guy in 2024. They are just now circling back to 2023 and asking safe choices like Brock Glenn you want in?

Vizzina committed there one year after they signed Klubnik in the class before. Two fivers per 247. Even if they're four stars somewhere else, whatever. Elite. Guy before Klubnik was a three star from GA named Bubba and before him was DJ. Five star.

and before DJ was Taison who was a low 4 star. So two non elite in 3 years if you want the other side of the coin. and I would not have disagreed as I said above with multiple elite QBs on the roster. You said 5 stars every single year.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I’ll take the 5 star that wants to be here over the 5 star that’s looking every single time.

 

[du Lac]

I’ll take the 5 star that wants to be here over the 5 star that’s looking every single time.

CJ looks special. Huge personality and legit 5 star. Literally everyone wants him including Bama.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Lincoln Riley last took a three star in QB in 2020.

Clemson last took a three star QB in 2021.

Georgia last took #250 Carson Beck in 2020 (so barely a four star) and #311 (barely a four star) D'wan Mathis in 2019. They did take Fromm and Fields in back to back classes but that fell apart and the better player left after one year.

Ohio State took took #331 Matthew Baldwin in 2018 (so barely a four star) and nobody in 2019. They did stack a number of highly rated recruits together but the highest rated guy (Ewers) left after one year.

Alabama is a lot closer but they took low three star Lane Hatcher in 2018, followed by #180 Taulia Tagovailoa in 2019. That looks a lot like taking Angeli and some theoretical three star in 2023. Alabama followed that up with Bryce Young. ND seems to be following that up with CJ Carr.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

We went from 5 stars every year to just the qualifier of multiple elite QBs on the roster. Those are fundamentally different, and the NIL era is also a new starting point. OSU essentially skipped the 2023 class to get their guy in 2024. They are just now circling back to 2023 and asking safe choices like Brock Glenn you want in?



and before DJ was Taison who was a low 4 star. So two non elite in 3 years if you want the other side of the coin. and I would not have disagreed as I said above with multiple elite QBs on the roster. You said 5 stars every single year.

I know what I said.

Four or five. Elite. Shoot for the best possible guy in every class. Transfers will happen. At some point, you probably need to grab a three star depth guy like Clemson did with Bubba. But gunning for a five star guy every single cycle should not be something you pussy out from. They're putting together one hell of a WR class right now and are known for doing things with tight ends.

I hope the coaches have the highest ambition possible when it comes to this subject. Guys will transfer, guys will say no, but it's up to this staff to show them something on the field offensively to bring these guys into the fold. I think Kelly being gone is a huge weight off of the program because he had a kid gloves way of handling quarterbacks.

And if they do well enough that Rees moves on, it gives Freeman a great chance to find the next guy.

 

[ColinKSU]

I’ll take the 5 star that wants to be here over the 5 star that’s looking every single time.

It was clear this was the case for *months* and it’s insane how many people were still convinced Dante was a silent.

I’m so happy this recruitment is over, and I’m extremely hopeful the OC that takes over for Tommy approaches QB recruitment much differently in 2025, or whenever he moves on.

 

[chisea03]

Just saw some CB's flying in for Dylan Lonergan to Bama. Don't they already have Eli Holstien committed? That is 2 pretty high 4 star guys. So, who knows what is happening with QB's this year.

This reminds me of an argument about ND taking Sayin and Carr in the same class... this is the new landscape of big boy recruiting. Competition creates winners and also playing keep away from the rivals. OSU is also looking at another 5 star, Georgia, Bama etc... new era of recruiting

 

[du Lac]

Both Drew Pyne and Tyler Buchner were 4 star QB’s. We should easily be able to get a 4 star considering last cycle was a 3 star. But the easily ship may have sailed with the all in fiasco. I’m antsy to hear some names.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Lincoln Riley last took a three star in QB in 2020.

Clemson last took a three star QB in 2021.

Georgia last took #250 Carson Beck in 2020 (so barely a four star) and #311 (barely a four star) D'wan Mathis in 2019. They did take Fromm and Fields in back to back classes but that fell apart and the better player left after one year.

Ohio State took took #331 Matthew Baldwin in 2018 (so barely a four star) and nobody in 2019. They did stack a number of highly rated recruits together but the highest rated guy (Ewers) left after one year.

Alabama is a lot closer but they took low three star Lane Hatcher in 2018, followed by #180 Taulia Tagovailoa in 2019. That looks a lot like taking Angeli and some theoretical three star in 2023. Alabama followed that up with Bryce Young. ND seems to be following that up with CJ Carr.

Carson Beck had offers from Alabama, Florida, FSU, Miami and Penn State among others.

Mathis' offer list wasn't as impressive but including Ohio State, Iowa State, Michigan State, Pitt, Kentucky, Oregon among others.

You have to try to stack your roster with elite guys and let camp sort it out. Barely four, barely five. Whatever. When a guy transfers, lather rinse repeat.

Fully expect guys will transfer. That's the world we live in. If you're transparent with the guys on your roster and the ones you are trying to get, tell the truth and don't be afraid. Competition is everywhere and that's exactly what they're going to hear from these other programs who already have four and five star guys in their QB room. It's also a simple concept that if you sign with us, we're going to have to bring in guys at your position in after you as well.

 

[INLaw]

Excuse me, but I’m 40, pretty sure Ulk, LAX and Jigga are all around there too.

Wait your younger than me. Holy shit. This will be the most mind blowing thing I read on the internet today. …and i often check infowars for a laugh

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

There’s plenty to criticize Rees for. I don’t think he handled the 2022 QB class particularly well, and assuming they either strike out in 2023 or end up with a vastly inferior QB who can’t play because he went all in on Dante, that is absolutely a horrendous look for him. You can also point out his play-calling in the 2nd half against Oklahoma State.

But I don’t think he sold Dante down the river. In fact, quite the opposite. If anything, this should be a lesson going forward in that you don’t go all-in in 1 QB when you’re in good/decent position with other QB who are also highly ranked.

Please. How would Notre Dame have won the Spring Game without the talents of Steve Angeli? Awful take.

 

[Dale]

Carson Beck had offers from Alabama, Florida, FSU, Miami and Penn State among others.

Mathis' offer list wasn't as impressive but including Ohio State, Iowa State, Michigan State, Pitt, Kentucky, Oregon among others.

You have to try to stack your roster with elite guys and let camp sort it out. Barely four, barely five. Whatever. When a guy transfers, lather rinse repeat.

Fully expect guys will transfer. That's the world we live in. If you're transparent with the guys on your roster and the ones you are trying to get, tell the truth and don't be afraid. Competition is everywhere and that's exactly what they're going to hear from these other programs who already have four and five star guys in their QB room. It's also a simple concept that if you sign with us, we're going to have to bring in guys at your position in after you as well.

Pyne had an Alabama offer. Clark had a Clemson offer. Angeli an OSU offer.

 

[du Lac]

Pyne had an Alabama offer. Clark had a Clemson offer. Angeli an OSU offer.

everybody needs a trusty backup. Drew is a wonderful backup qb for all said programs. Angeli seems to fit that same mold. Typically those programs don’t go for 3 stars back to back years though.

 

[Irish du Nord]

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