'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

Dale

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Don't tell @Dale he's still convinced this is about rELaTioNsHiPs

DING DING DING!!!

Not what I said at all but cool. I said it was less than 100% about NIL. Is not 100% one thing really all that hot of a take?

You can trace back weeks where I agreed something seems to have shifted about Bama recruiting in general that is putting them over the top on these. Over the top and 100% are two different things.

If Tennessee called up Keeley and offered him (within reason) more than Bama I believe he’d go to Bama still. Again this doesn’t seem to hot to think a prospect might be considering it’s ALABAMA + NIL not just NIL.
 
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I keep hearing people say "don't blame the kid for going to X school, he's just a 17 year old kid". Those same people also think that the ND 4 for 40 pitch and "we're special" is going to sway that same 17 year old kid rather than a bag of money. I know which one I'm taking at 17. If we want to play with the big boys, we need to step up.
 

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I keep hearing people say "don't blame the kid for going to X school, he's just a 17 year old kid". Those same people also think that the ND 4 for 40 pitch and "we're special" is going to sway that same 17 year old kid rather than a bag of money. I know which one I'm taking at 17. If we want to play with the big boys, we need to step up.
I'm 29 and I know which one I would pick, and I love ND more than any of them. Probably all of them combined. Being non competitive with NIL is a non starter.
 

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ND BOT have zero desire to offer a competitive upfront NIL package to match the fair valuation and worth of the Elite 5 stars. Confidence level is near zero. No official decommitment yet but he won't be playing for ND. None of this is for lack of effort on the coaching staffs part. They did their job.

What happened to Dante Moore? What is happening to Keon Keeley?
Thanks for the update Arahop. With no NIL - getting a Natty got 10X harder. Don't blast my Rep down below zero based on this post. Its the truth. Ugh.
 

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He is all rainbows & unicorns with the new staff. Everything BK was the devil with him.

So he won’t say it straight up, but he has on a round-a-bout way said that Keeley isn’t committed anymore.
He made a comment that it will be really hard to get Keeley in the end if he decommits publicly, and he is hearing Keeley is probably leaving that direction.
Today, when someone posted old Keeley comments from a week ago about being committed to ND, he said those comments are outdated & not accurate at this time.
The guy is a total Soup Nazi. I know so many who have left that Board. He used to support BK until after the 2011 Vanderbuilt Game where BK told him that he wasn't going to answer his stupid question. He then became the biggest BK hater. He loves his Tommy Rees too.

Anyways, I hate to state the obvious - ND without NIL will not be much better than BK at LSU with NIL in the coming years recruiting wise. We can have the most exciting, charasmatic new HC in CFP but 5 stars and their families want the cash also.
 

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He is all rainbows & unicorns with the new staff. Everything BK was the devil with him.

So he won’t say it straight up, but he has on a round-a-bout way said that Keeley isn’t committed anymore.
He made a comment that it will be really hard to get Keeley in the end if he decommits publicly, and he is hearing Keeley is probably leaving that direction.
Today, when someone posted old Keeley comments from a week ago about being committed to ND, he said those comments are outdated & not accurate at this time.

He’s fantastic at making you pay money monthly without giving you any real intel. Don’t just tell us it’s not accurate. I’m paying money. Tell me what’s up. He doesn’t do it until afterwards when it doesn’t matter.
 

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Thanks for the update Arahop. With no NIL - getting a Natty got 10X harder. Don't blast my Rep down below zero based on this post. Its the truth. Ugh.
Thanks for what? arahop has no clue how NIL works if he thinks university BoTs are making such decisions.
The guy is a total Soup Nazi. I know so many who have left that Board. He used to support BK until after the 2011 Vanderbuilt Game where BK told him that he wasn't going to answer his stupid question. He then became the biggest BK hater. He loves his Tommy Rees too.

Anyways, I hate to state the obvious - ND without NIL will not be much better than BK at LSU with NIL in the coming years recruiting wise. We can have the most exciting, charasmatic new HC in CFP but 5 stars and their families want the cash also.
You don't, in fact, "hate to state obvious" as long as it involves these sorts of low-value doom and gloom posts. ND's NIL is very competitive. But we don't do pay-for-play, which is different, and is likely to cost us some 5-star recruits until some order is imposed on this chaos. If you can't handle that, then you should probably take a break from following NDFB recruiting.
 

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Shoot, Minchey looks better then both their 23 guys too

Yeah, they’ll probably get someone in ‘24 but he won’t be as good. Unless they offer Carr so much money the family can’t say no. I don’t put it past Saban at all. If he wants him, he will try like hell. I realize the Carr’s are probably well off and I think they’re locked in, but I will have slight anxiety about him until he takes the field in a gold helmet.
 

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Thanks for what? arahop has no clue how NIL works if he thinks university BoTs are making such decisions.

You don't, in fact, "hate to state obvious" as long as it involves these sorts of low-value doom and gloom posts. ND's NIL is very competitive. But we don't do pay-for-play, which is different, and is likely to cost us some 5-star recruits until some order is imposed on this chaos. If you can't handle that, then you should probably take a break from following NDFB recruiting.
Whiskey:

What basis do you have to state FUND is “very competitive”. If so that is great. Keon is a very smart kid and can decide and understand the value of FUND if it’s truly “Very Competitive”. He is a smart kid that can compare a simple lump sum versus payments at his ND career.

But like it or not it’s about money whether it’s upfront or paid while at the University. I would bank on NCAA straightening this mess out. Perhaps a lawsuit by a disgruntled player might have a court wade into this disaster.
 

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Unfortunately there is not much precedent for college athletics tightening up enforcement on rules. They tend to follow the entropic path. So I'm not holding my breath waiting for the NCAA or Congress to come in and clean up NIL.
 

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He gone officially.

BOT baby!!! holding ND football back since 1994. The legacy continues.
 

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Translated: I have big life choices to make that involve getting a small bit of chump change now instead of large amounts for the rest of my life. :laugh:
He gone.
Can I be your assistant or something, if 7 figures is chump change to you.
 

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It’s interesting the vibe coming out of this versus Dante Moore. Gug is very much pushing the it wasn’t Keon, it was others based off updates
 

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