'23 CA WR Rico Flores (UCLA Transfer)

[PutuporShutup]

I’m pretty sure Ding LBerry is a burner account for Putup or vice versa. They’re very supportive of one another.

Creative unique thought you have there, amazing a few ND fans don't think every ND player, coach, recruit is perfect.

What's crazy is on the message board, everyone hides behind it. In person at the game, i was in a section of all ND people, and they're all yelling at the common players/coaches that continue to make mistakes. Maybe people that attend away games don't post on here. But I didn't hear anyone complimenting our WRs, or Parker, or our Oline

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

This dude caught a TD against Ohio State and got the two point conversion that helped seal up the Duke win and he's a true freshman. He had to get a ton of reps Saturday night because the two deep thinned out because of injuries.

The Hot Pocket eaters in Mom's basement are coming for Rico Flores of all people? I just don't get it. Sorry, but it's just dickhead internet behavior begging for attention and nothing else. Nothing contributed.

 

[Lberry]

This dude caught a TD against Ohio State and got the two point conversion that helped seal up the Duke win and he's a true freshman. He had to get a ton of reps Saturday night because the two deep thinned out because of injuries.

The Hot Pocket eaters in Mom's basement are coming for Rico Flores of all people? I just don't get it. Sorry, but it's just dickhead internet behavior begging for attention and nothing else. Nothing contributed.

No one's coming for Rico Flores. He's simply not a Field WR. And the compliments to him are well noted.

You guys dig hard for fights.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This dude caught a TD against Ohio State and got the two point conversion that helped seal up the Duke win and he's a true freshman. He had to get a ton of reps Saturday night because the two deep thinned out because of injuries.

The Hot Pocket eaters in Mom's basement are coming for Rico Flores of all people? I just don't get it. Sorry, but it's just dickhead internet behavior begging for attention and nothing else. Nothing contributed.

No one is frichan coming for Rico. All i stated was he's less athletic than I expected. Even i said he will probably be a solid reliable WR.

People need to stop making up stuff that's not true.

With that said, our WR play as a whole was terrible saturday and hasn't been very good this year.

His TD vs OSU was a busted coverage, he didn't beat anyone, his big catch vs duke the DB fell down. He still made the play, that's awesome. But we don't have a WR right now that can win vs 1-1. Rico is a frosh, he will improve, he was put in an unfair situation saturday, but it is what it is. Parker also didn't help the WR group out at all. We just need WR to be better, it's our biggest weakness and what could hold us back from a great season. If we need to rely on Rico this year to play a ton then like freeman states, he needs to improve with urgency, he's far from alone.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

No one is frichan coming for Rico. All i stated was he's less athletic than I expected. Even i said he will probably be a solid reliable WR.

People need to stop making up stuff that's not true.

With that said, our WR play as a whole was terrible saturday and hasn't been very good this year.

His TD vs OSU was a busted coverage, he didn't beat anyone, his big catch vs duke the DB fell down. He still made the play, that's awesome. But we don't have a WR right now that can win vs 1-1. Rico is a frosh, he will improve, he was put in an unfair situation saturday, but it is what it is. Parker also didn't help the WR group out at all. We just need WR to be better, it's our biggest weakness and what could hold us back from a great season. If we need to rely on Rico this year to play a ton then like freeman states, he needs to improve with urgency, he's far from alone.

Who gives a shit what you expected? You just shit on the kids plays by saying he had nothing to do with them. You want to be right so badly that you have to find negatives everywhere. Do you have any hobbies? A job perhaps? Or do you just enjoy being an argumentative asshole on a message board?

 

[BeauBenken]

@PutuporShutup Saying a WR has limitations is fine, but everyone is wanting you to acknowledge he can grow. He is a freshman afterall. I think everyone here knows he wasn't ready to be the #1 this past Saturday but he stepped up admirably against one of the best defenses we will face.

You just have a tendency to drag on arguments where you double down on your position including arguing against people who didn't even @ you. I've been home sick the last two days and you are on this site posting more than I can.

You're now making a more justifiable stance but if you acknowledge he needs to step up even more before the end of the year, acknowledge when he has already this year. Instead you make excuses for why he made plays instead of giving him any kind of credit. It comes off disingenuous to posters and like you're not really willing to give him credit or a chance at all.

 

[PutuporShutup]

@PutuporShutup Saying a WR has limitations is fine, but everyone is wanting you to acknowledge he can grow. He is a freshman afterall. I think everyone here knows he wasn't ready to be the #1 this past Saturday but he stepped up admirably against one of the best defenses we will face.

You just have a tendency to drag on arguments where you double down on your position including arguing against people who didn't even @ you. I'm home the last two days and you are on this site posting more than I can.

You're now making a more justifiable stance but if you acknowledge he needs to step up even more before the end of the year, acknowledge when he has already this year. Instead you make excuses for why he made plays instead of giving him any kind of credit. It comes off disingenuous to posters and like you're not really willing to give him credit or a chance at all.

fair, a bit of it is around concerns with stuckey and what he's coaching or not coaching because I think we all thought our WR group would be significantly improved, and it's not. I gave rico credit about his mental side of the game, physically ready, good hands, it's just he's less athletic than I expected, when we need some athleticism and ability to beat 1-1. I'm significantly more disappointed in Tobias than Rico. I don't know why he's not running better routes with his speed that he does have. Why is he not running more deep posts, more crossers (he was open on one but it was a bad hartman pass), why are our WRs jogging a lot (this happened vs OSU too). There's a lot goin on here, and little of it is good with the position group.

 

[lcaps20]

fair, a bit of it is around concerns with stuckey and what he's coaching or not coaching because I think we all thought our WR group would be significantly improved, and it's not. I gave rico credit about his mental side of the game, physically ready, good hands, it's just he's less athletic than I expected, when we need some athleticism and ability to beat 1-1. I'm significantly more disappointed in Tobias than Rico. I don't know why he's not running better routes with his speed that he does have. Why is he not running more deep posts, more crossers (he was open on one but it was a bad hartman pass), why are our WRs jogging a lot (this happened vs OSU too). There's a lot goin on here, and little of it is good with the position group.

I think you're letting your disappointment in Tobias skew your overall opinions of the WRs this year. I think Greathouse, Flores, and Thomas have been about as good as advertised.

Tobias on the other hand has been disappointing all year and I think at times it has negatively impacted the rest of the group because he's supposed to be the deep threat that gives the rest of them room to operate.

 

[AllTimeIrish]

Flores would be a better slot receiver, in my opinion. He is not going to win jump balls that often, but is good in space and small enough (weight wise) that is quickness in and out of breaks is an asset.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

In summary

 

[PutuporShutup]

I think you're letting your disappointment in Tobias skew your overall opinions of the WRs this year. I think Greathouse, Flores, and Thomas have been about as good as advertised.

Tobias on the other hand has been disappointing all year and I think at times it has negatively impacted the rest of the group because he's supposed to be the deep threat that gives the rest of them room to operate.

jayden after 5 games (before missing duke game) was on track for 500yds, 30 receptions, and 3 tds. NO one on this board thought he would have that low of stats. I thought he would push for 1000, and 10tds.

 

[lcaps20]

jayden after 5 games (before missing duke game) was on track for 500yds, 30 receptions, and 3 tds. NO one on this board thought he would have that low of stats. I thought he would push for 1000, and 10tds.

I'm not sure anyone thought Thomas would approach those numbers, but that's fair then to your standards.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

jayden after 5 games (before missing duke game) was on track for 500yds, 30 receptions, and 3 tds. NO one on this board thought he would have that low of stats. I thought he would push for 1000, and 10tds.

That’s also an indication of Hartman spreading the ball out to multiple receivers (well, at least for the first few games). He wasn’t dependent on Thomas being the primary receiver. We’ll see if that changes going forward. Evans and Staes emerging as weapons should help Thomas and the other WRs being targeted. Ideally, I hope we see Hartman keeping as many players involved in the passing game as possible that way the defensive secondary is under much more pressure. Obviously couldn’t do that against Duke with too many receivers out.

 

[FU BK]

I’m pretty sure Ding LBerry is a burner account for Putup or vice versa. They’re very supportive of one another.

I'll start a burner....Luv BK and have arguments with myself for shits and giggles

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

God damn I love the ignore feature....lol. Don't everyone know by now we're all wrong and dumbfuckorfuckup is always right....geez

This site’s ignore feature is so awesome you don’t even see the post when it’s quoted.
Kudos IE!

 

[CanadalovesND]

No one is frichan coming for Rico. All i stated was he's less athletic than I expected. Even i said he will probably be a solid reliable WR.

People need to stop making up stuff that's not true.

With that said, our WR play as a whole was terrible saturday and hasn't been very good this year.

His TD vs OSU was a busted coverage, he didn't beat anyone, his big catch vs duke the DB fell down. He still made the play, that's awesome. But we don't have a WR right now that can win vs 1-1. Rico is a frosh, he will improve, he was put in an unfair situation saturday, but it is what it is. Parker also didn't help the WR group out at all. We just need WR to be better, it's our biggest weakness and what could hold us back from a great season. If we need to rely on Rico this year to play a ton then like freeman states, he needs to improve with urgency, he's far from alone.

His TD was a busted coverage?

I posted this in reply to you in the Braylon James thread and got nothing in response, so I’ll try again here:

On who? The safety? Linebacker? Ohio State was in man coverage.

Flores just swatted the CB two yards off from the line of scrimmage.

It was trips to the left. OSU had all the receivers covered. Eichenberg went in motion to follow Price's motion. Steele Chambers was in the middle of the field and stayed hovering at the goal-line. Unless you are saying Chambers should have dropped deeper? Even if he did, he wouldn't have been able to close that amount of distance between himself and Flores in two seconds.

 

[Lberry]

Not going to bump his thread since this one is hot, but upon rewatch. When Tobias dropped the ball right in his chest on the final drive (after he PI'd), did you notice he summersaults into a flop? Lol you can't make this up.

 

[NDpendent]

fair, a bit of it is around concerns with stuckey and what he's coaching or not coaching because I think we all thought our WR group would be significantly improved, and it's not. I gave rico credit about his mental side of the game, physically ready, good hands, it's just he's less athletic than I expected, when we need some athleticism and ability to beat 1-1. I'm significantly more disappointed in Tobias than Rico. I don't know why he's not running better routes with his speed that he does have. Why is he not running more deep posts, more crossers (he was open on one but it was a bad hartman pass), why are our WRs jogging a lot (this happened vs OSU too). There's a lot goin on here, and little of it is good with the position group.

1.) In last year's class, Stucky brought in the most well rounded group of receivers that should compliment each other ND as seen in a while. Saturday you did not see that due to injuries and redshirts.
2.) Your expecting more from Rico then what he was brought in to do. He will never be a receiver with the most athleticism who will burn corners. He was brought in for his exceptional route running ability and sure hands. He was asked to do alot more this Saturday.
3.) To already claim he is not an NFL caliber receiver because of lack of athleticism is crazy. Cooper Kupp is one of the best receivers in the NFL and it's not for his athleticism but because no one is better then him at running routes.

When we are at full strength receiver wise and Rico can focus on the role he was brought in to play you will see a much different player

 

[PutuporShutup]

That’s also an indication of Hartman spreading the ball out to multiple receivers (well, at least for the first few games). He wasn’t dependent on Thomas being the primary receiver. We’ll see if that changes going forward. Evans and Staes emerging as weapons should help Thomas and the other WRs being targeted. Ideally, I hope we see Hartman keeping as many players involved in the passing game as possible that way the defensive secondary is under much more pressure. Obviously couldn’t do that against Duke with too many receivers out.

Yeah, i was one on the higher end of the predictions for thomas as he came in as our clear #1, but no one predicted under 500 yards that I can remember or less than 5 tds.

 

[PutuporShutup]

His TD was a busted coverage?

I posted this in reply to you in the Braylon James thread and got nothing in response, so I’ll try again here:

On who? The safety? Linebacker? Ohio State was in man coverage.

Flores just swatted the CB two yards off from the line of scrimmage.

It was trips to the left. OSU had all the receivers covered. Eichenberg went in motion to follow Price's motion. Steele Chambers was in the middle of the field and stayed hovering at the goal-line. Unless you are saying Chambers should have dropped deeper? Even if he did, he wouldn't have been able to close that amount of distance between himself and Flores in two seconds.

Eichenberg went into motion but never covered Price. The corner had a choice to make, either take price or flores. In the end he just stumbled since whomever was supposed to cover price didn't do it. It kind of looks like the corner was handing off rico to the inside and was going to take price. They triple teamed Staes, so clearly someone busted their coverage because both Rico and price were wide open. It was a complete busted coverage probably by 2-3 osu people.

 

[PutuporShutup]

1.) In last year's class, Stucky brought in the most well rounded group of receivers that should compliment each other ND as seen in a while. Saturday you did not see that due to injuries and redshirts.
2.) Your expecting more from Rico then what he was brought in to do. He will never be a receiver with the most athleticism who will burn corners. He was brought in for his exceptional route running ability and sure hands. He was asked to do alot more this Saturday.
3.) To already claim he is not an NFL caliber receiver because of lack of athleticism is crazy. Cooper Kupp is one of the best receivers in the NFL and it's not for his athleticism but because no one is better then him at running routes.

When we are at full strength receiver wise and Rico can focus on the role he was brought in to play you will see a much different player

I agree with almost all of this. I just noted that my stock was down on him because i thought he would be more athletic than he is. I never expected burner, but he really struggled to get separation. I agree on how he will be utilized going forward in a better role for him, and i agree he was put into a really tough situation saturday, but it was a situation that allowed me to see, especially in person, his struggles athletically to beat outside man 1-1.

Also, I never claimed he is NOT or will Never be an NFL wr, i was just taken back by someone posting that Rico is an NFL WR. How someone can make that claim right now is absurd. I sure hope he develops into one, but there is no inclination he's going to be an NFL wr YET.

He's contributing as a frosh, that's awesome for him, but he has a ways to go/develop and needs some help around him (hopefully gets that this weekend).

 

[CanadalovesND]

Eichenberg went into motion but never covered Price. The corner had a choice to make, either take price or flores. In the end he just stumbled since whomever was supposed to cover price didn't do it. It kind of looks like the corner was handing off rico to the inside and was going to take price. They triple teamed Staes, so clearly someone busted their coverage because both Rico and price were wide open. It was a complete busted coverage probably by 2-3 osu people.

The CB stumbled over or Rico swatted hin away and broke free into the open zone in the end zone?

I think you and I are seeing two different things.

It was a simple route for Flores but he executed it perfectly, got separation, and scored a touchdown. He beat his man, one-on-one.

 

[PutuporShutup]

The CB stumbled over or Rico swatted hin away and broke free into the open zone in the end zone?

I think you and I are seeing two different things.

It was a simple route for Flores but he executed it perfectly, got separation, and scored a touchdown. He beat his man, one-on-one.

yeah, no. Why was staes triple teamed, who was coverin gprice? Wasn't Eichenberg, after snap he never looked at him and stayed with Staes.

Last i'm commenting on it. If you think that's a great 1-1 beater and OSU didn't have a busted play, cool.

 

[Riddickulous]

Not going to bump his thread since this one is hot, but upon rewatch. When Tobias dropped the ball right in his chest on the final drive (after he PI'd), did you notice he summersaults into a flop? Lol you can't make this up.

I think he was venting his frustration over the drop.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think he was venting his frustration over the drop.

This

 

[Poopsie]

Let's be lovers not haters. These kids are playing their hearts out for themselves, their coaches, their families and this fan base

 

[Old Man Mike]

Redundantly to the point of irrelevancy (since it's so obvious): Rico Flores is going to be a really fine Notre Dame WR (barring some stupid injury.) ... in fact, as far as I'm concerned, he already is.

 

[Irish#1]

Maybe Rico wasn't getting separation because he had to play the entire game? Maybe he was a little tired out from running every single play?

I will say a lot of it is learning/mastering technique And getting more explosive. I remember Davante Adams first year in the NFL he couldn’t get separation to save his life not to mention he had the drops.

He was also being covered by a 24 year old who has played in 54 games with 20 starts in Al Blades Jr.

These comments are nothing but BS excuses. A freshman is supposed to come in and play at an NFL Pro Bowl level. Did I get that right LB and PU?

BTW, you don't need athleticism to get separation. Just ask Brandon Stokely, Julian Edelman and a bunch of other guys that made a living in the pros catching passes.

 

[CanadalovesND]

yeah, no. Why was staes triple teamed, who was coverin gprice? Wasn't Eichenberg, after snap he never looked at him and stayed with Staes.

Last i'm commenting on it. If you think that's a great 1-1 beater and OSU didn't have a busted play, cool.

Agree to disagree. If I come across a Football Analyst breaking down the play on one of the few websites out there, and that person concludes similarly to you, I’ll own it and give you your props.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Agree to disagree. If I come across a Football Analyst breaking down the play on one of the few websites out there, and that person concludes similarly to you, I’ll own it and give you your props.

Don’t want to listen so I haven’t… what did urban analyze, was it just osu’s final drive?

I think Rico’s best route was his 2 pt conversion vs duke not td vs osu… that was great call and route and execution