'22 OH QB Drew Allar (Penn State Verbal)

[ThePiombino]

That's just it, ND's brand is so strong that Kelly keeps getting QB chances he doesn't deserve.

While I'm disappointed in the QB play at ND under Kelly, I'm convinced ANY other HC would have ND in the Top 5 immediately and on equal footing with Clemson, Bama, OSU and OU.

Buchner's his last chance while he's a head coach. Allar's days in the spotlight will be on the guys who take over for BK & Tommy.

I tend to agree with this. And I'm a BK supporter FWIW...

 

[Luckylucci]

The results not showing us to be a top 10 spot I don’t think was the OP who said in recruiting it’s a top 10 spots point. Those better at recruiting history could disagree or confirm but haven’t the last 3 QBs that ND recruited to be “the guy” been elite recruits and who they wanted? Wimbush, Jurkovec and Buchner. The results is a separate discussion but landing those 3 at their rankings I would say is evidence of when they want it, they can land a Top 10 guy.

Yea, they’ve haven’t had an issue with getting the guy. They also got Gunner Kiel. It’s those guys producing that has been the issue. Which is a different discussion altogether.

 

[Dale]

Yea, they’ve haven’t had an issue with getting the guy. They also got Gunner Kiel. It’s those guys producing that has been the issue. Which is a different discussion altogether.

The piece of that discussion as relates to recruiting is we have assumed bad results > recruit believes if he goes to ND he will be the same.

With most elite recruits, they are not going to think that way. Everyone one of them believes they will be different. That “I” am going to be the one that succeeds + I get the pageantry, fan fare etc. Now some could be swayed they can get that plus maybe a better chance to succeed elsewhere. But none of them are going to be like “I’ll end up like Wimbush”. Every kid believes he is “built different”

 

[Irishnuke]

The results not showing us to be a top 10 spot I don’t think was the OP who said in recruiting it’s a top 10 spots point. Those better at recruiting history could disagree or confirm but haven’t the last 3 QBs that ND recruited to be “the guy” been elite recruits and who they wanted? Wimbush, Jurkovec and Buchner. The results is a separate discussion but landing those 3 at their rankings I would say is evidence of when they want it, they can land a Top 10 guy.

I think this says a lot about BK and company not being great evaluators of QB talent. Not saying every QB he recruits needs to get drafted, but only one in his whole tenure is disappointing.

 

[fightingirish26]

I think this says a lot about BK and company not being great evaluators of QB talent. Not saying every QB he recruits needs to get drafted, but only one in his whole tenure is disappointing.

Think it says significantly more about development. Those elite guys had the offers.

 

[dad4aa]

Think it says significantly more about development. Those elite guys had the offers.

But none of them were successful...or even played... when they transferred so development was definitely not the only issue.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don’t think we can really say anything definitively about BK’s QB development or recruiting. Other than it’s been a total crap shoot. You can’t say it’s poor evals and poor development because multiple guys out played their rankings. And, he also got a lot more out of some of those guys than anyone else did.

 

[arrowryan]

I don’t think we can really say anything definitively about BK’s QB development or recruiting. Other than it’s been a total crap shoot. You can’t say it’s poor evals and poor development because multiple guys out played their rankings. And, he also got a lot more out of some of those guys than anyone else did.

Almost every QB in the Kelly Era has developed like Benjamin Button

 

[fightingirish26]

But none of them were successful...or even played... when they transferred so development was definitely not the only issue.

Just saying EVERYONE must have missed on those guys

 

[NDdomer2]

I would say it's more of a evaluation issue combined with a process issue.

Book was great. And easily BKs best "success" story. But he should be the minimum level we bring in.

I want to see more two QB classes unless it's because we got a top 5 level stud

 

[dublinirish]

Offered by Washington

 

[Redbar]

I wonder if what CBK is asking for from the position is just not something an elite quarterback typically is good at. I mean a 17/18 year old golden arm gunslinger is going to make some mistakes, going to throw some bad balls. That is simply not acceptable to Coach. Our quarterback is usually kept on a pretty short leash, we generally win by being fundamentally sound and not making big mistakes. Unless you have the weapons around the quarterback to overcome a big mistake, it is hard to let the QB make lower percentage throws that could cost you a ball game.
Golson was a gunslinger could light it up or kill you. I don’t think CBK liked that style much.
Maybe if we could dump the 20 hour per week rule, or give credits for football. Our quarterback can look as polished as some other schools. It is amazing how some of these guys, Burrow, Jones, Mariota in his day, Johnny Sunshine, seem to see everything they don’t miss a thing it’s almost pro like.
I have often wondered if that kind of production at the position requires more than the 20 hour week would allow. Not going to convince me that those guys are any smarter than our QB’s, but how often do they just not see a wide open guy, misread a coverage, not handle a blitz.

TLDR: Maybe CBK values intangibles that a gunslinger usually doesn’t possess. Maybe excellent play at that position in 2021 requires more than the 20 hour rule legally allows for. What do I know?

 

[NDRock]

I wonder if what CBK is asking for from the position is just not something an elite quarterback typically is good at. I mean a 17/18 year old golden arm gunslinger is going to make some mistakes, going to throw some bad balls. That is simply not acceptable to Coach. Our quarterback is usually kept on a pretty short leash, we generally win by being fundamentally sound and not making big mistakes. Unless you have the weapons around the quarterback to overcome a big mistake, it is hard to let the QB make lower percentage throws that could cost you a ball game.
Golson was a gunslinger could light it up or kill you. I don’t think CBK liked that style much.
Maybe if we could dump the 20 hour per week rule, or give credits for football. Our quarterback can look as polished as some other schools. It is amazing how some of these guys, Burrow, Jones, Mariota in his day, Johnny Sunshine, seem to see everything they don’t miss a thing it’s almost pro like.
I have often wondered if that kind of production at the position requires more than the 20 hour week would allow. Not going to convince me that those guys are any smarter than our QB’s, but how often do they just not see a wide open guy, misread a coverage, not handle a blitz.

TLDR: Maybe CBK values intangibles that a gunslinger usually doesn’t possess. Maybe excellent play at that position in 2021 requires more than the 20 hour rule legally allows for. What do I know?

We had the 20 hour rule when Quinn and Clausen were here. It's recruiting and coaching, not some false belief that we're the only ones who don't "cheat". Hell, we're on probation right now.

 

[hungryhippo]

Board optimism saying he's the guy for '22 (or maybe it's a bunch of people like his film and Crus's CB says he's the guy lol).

Question (for those in the know, or those who understand the process) is: what's the hold up on his offer?

 

[Irish#1]

Board optimism saying he's the guy for '22 (or maybe it's a bunch of people like his film and Crus's CB says he's the guy lol).

Question (for those in the know, or those who understand the process) is: what's the hold up on his offer?

It's pretty simple. Kelly and staff monitor this site constantly. When they see a recruits profile and everyone on IE is clamoring for them, BK tells the staff to hold off until the anxiety level on here reaches a crescendo. Then they wait a little longer just to f@ck with us.

 

[Luckylucci]

Board optimism saying he's the guy for '22 (or maybe it's a bunch of people like his film and Crus's CB says he's the guy lol).

Question (for those in the know, or those who understand the process) is: what's the hold up on his offer?

I do not know this to be fact but we do know that the staff likes to do this. When there is a prospect already offered and they are scheduled to make a decision soon. The staff will wait on offering other prospects as a sign of all-in to the prospect deciding. In this case, I would think it's Ty Simpson. Once his decision comes and goes and he predictably chooses Clemson or Bama. Then we'll get a new offer or two out to QB's.

 

[hungryhippo]

The staff will wait on offering other prospects as a sign of all-in to the prospect deciding. In this case, I would think it's Ty Simpson.

I understand the logic in a Shipley case or where we're at least a hat on the table. But why do it with someone like Simpson? We were up to a year late to the dance, and have no real traction since the offer, right?

 

[tko]

who the heck is Ty Simpson?

 

[Luckylucci]

who the heck is Ty Simpson?

I'm not going to post his profile in Allar's thread but he's the most recent QB offer that is deciding in February. ND has no real shot but they'll certainly spend the next two weeks trying, lol.

 

[tko]

I'm not going to post his profile in Allar's thread but he's the most recent QB offer that is deciding in February. ND has no real shot but they'll certainly spend the next two weeks trying, lol.

Hahaha, perfect.

 

[Luckylucci]

Laughing at myself on this one. My negative energy might have willed this into existence. We’ll see.

 

[NDPhilly]

Offered by Washington

Offer list really rounding out

Washington
Texas A&M
Michigan
Penn State

As well as

Kentucky
Iowa State
Iowa
Michigan State
Wake Forest
Pitt

 

[ThePiombino]

Laughing at myself on this one. My negative energy might have willed this into existence. We’ll see.

It's not negative energy. It is what it is.

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[Valpodoc85]

Could be the staff are spending a lot time recruiting this kid. He may be getting daily updates. CBK and Allar maybe BFF's the offer maybe just a formality

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

BK doesn’t like Qbs he has to look up too.

 

[NDMIA]

The results not showing us to be a top 10 spot I don’t think was the OP who said in recruiting it’s a top 10 spots point. Those better at recruiting history could disagree or confirm but haven’t the last 3 QBs that ND recruited to be “the guy” been elite recruits and who they wanted? Wimbush, Jurkovec and Buchner. The results is a separate discussion but landing those 3 at their rankings I would say is evidence of when they want it, they can land a Top 10 guy.

My point at the beginning was essentially that ND can land a top 10 QB if they choose correctly. For whatever reason (development, scheme, evaluation) ND’s not ended up with top 10 QB’s in the country in recruiting and on the field. My point with Dylan Morris and Graham Mertz was sort of that they had the opportunity to grab a top 10 dude in many cycles but they either screwed up and didn’t offer on time or ever, or they misread the class. I’m very disappointed in the development and the evals and to be honest settling for QB’s that fit “BK’s system” from what I’ve heard. To me, I’d wish they’d go after the best pro prospects cause that’s what will win in college football over Bama and Clemson. They need a generational QB talent. Looking at the top starting QB’s in the NFL basically that means 6’2”-6’5” 210-240lbs with a strong arm. Lots of other tools needed but I’m kind of over the whole 5’10”-6’0” dudes that ND goes after (I understand that Pyne was projected taller and never grew) along with mediocre arms but great accuracy. Gimme 4-5 6’4”+ strong armed dudes and one of them will be able to read the field, see the field and then maybe you’ve got a dude.

 

[Chicago Domer]

IMO the failure at QB is that we have brought in great athletes at QB who aren’t accurate throwing the ball. That can’t always be coached.

 

[jspags10pg]

Good article from ISD on Allar.

https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/1422...ruitment-hopes-to-hear-more-from-notre-dame/1

 

[arrowryan]

Ty Simpson announces his commitment at 3pm today. Maybe Allar will have a Notre Dame offer at 3:01.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Ty Simpson announces his commitment at 3pm today. Maybe Allar will have a Notre Dame offer at 3:01.

Did we even make his list of finalists ?