'22 CA CB Jaden Mickey (Notre Dame Signee)

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Really surprised by some of these comments. Dude lost his mother last year the night before a game and still played the next day. He doesn’t owe you or me anything. Sure, I wish he would stay and play. I’d imagine he’s got a lot he’s going through as a 21 year old without a parent
I lost a parent at a young age…doesnt make it a valid excuse for quitting on people that supported you and/or other bad decisions I made in my life. Stop making excuses for the young man.
 

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We don't know anything about why or what's behind this. It could be family. Could be a personal issue.
Could just be Leonard Moore, but 1/3 into the season leaves a bad taste in teammates mouth for sure. Best of luck getting a starting job for 2 years somewhere.
 

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Good luck to him. Seems to be a great kid and is making a smart business decision most likely.

I wonder if the biggest area ND will miss him is in the locker room/practice field. By all accounts he was the most vocal player and talked a ton of trash.

I feel the team has very little of that attitude and losing him only makes it worse.
 

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I lost a parent at a young age…doesnt make it a valid excuse for quitting on people that supported you and/or other bad decisions I made in my life. Stop making excuses for the young man.
I did as well. I would have preferred he stayed until the end of the season, but I'm not going to get down on the kid. We look at every situation through our own prism and believe they should act according to how we see things.
 

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I lost a parent at a young age…doesnt make it a valid excuse for quitting on people that supported you and/or other bad decisions I made in my life. Stop making excuses for the young man.
Not everyone's roads are the same in life. Kudos to you. You and Jaden Mickey are completely different people. Doesn't make his decisions wrong or right compared to yours.

The truth is people here have a vested interest in him because he's part of a football program we support and his defection can feel like a slight or a setback. Take the emotional component of the fact that it has nothing to do with us out of the equation.
 

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I lost a parent at a young age…doesnt make it a valid excuse for quitting on people that supported you and/or other bad decisions I made in my life. Stop making excuses for the young man.
What if his family needs him? Sure he came back but maybe he thought they all could handle it and now a month in it is too much. I think he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt after suiting up a day after his mom passed.
 

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He's getting his degree and wants to save eligibility so he can play and maybe make the NFL. I guarantee no one in the locker room is mad at him for making a decision when he isn't the number one guy and might not even be the number 3 guy by years end
This is likely all it is. If you have dreams of the NFL, you have little chance of making it happen if you are the #3 or #4 CB. He may or may not succeed, but going someplace where he can start probably gives him his best shot.
 

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This is likely all it is. If you have dreams of the NFL, you have little chance of making it happen if you are the #3 or #4 CB. He may or may not succeed, but going someplace where he can start probably gives him his best shot.
That is likely true. However, what disturbs me is that by taking a scholarship for the 2024 season, he made a commitment to himself, his teammates and the university. Backing out after 4 games is incredibly selfish and makes it known he is only looking out for himself. He puts his teammates in a bind. I personally don't like associating with those type of people. The only way that is acceptable is if the coaching staff offered up the 4 games option prior to the season starting.

All that said, I hope is able to leverage the degree he has earned for the long haul. That is the most important asset and allows him to chase his dream.
 

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That is likely true. However, what disturbs me is that by taking a scholarship for the 2024 season, he made a commitment to himself, his teammates and the university. Backing out after 4 games is incredibly selfish and makes it known he is only looking out for himself. He puts his teammates in a bind. I personally don't like associating with those type of people. The only way that is acceptable is if the coaching staff offered up the 4 games option prior to the season starting.

All that said, I hope is able to leverage the degree he has earned for the long haul. That is the most important asset and allows him to chase his dream.
Agreed. This is a team sport and he should have some level of responsibility to the team. If we were 2-2 and had no shot at the College Playoff, it wouldn't concern me as much. But leaving a team that has a shot at the playoff is much more problematic.

I get why Mickey wants to save a year of eligibility. I think most people on IE do as well. But when it could cost your "brothers" an opportunity at the playoff, it's harder to swallow.

Then again, how many people on here think we will finish with 3 or 4 losses regardless?
 

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Curious how that works with his scholarship. If you quit the team but stay enrolled in classes, do you still get to keep it, and if so, does it count against the 85 limit?
 

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What if his family needs him? Sure he came back but maybe he thought they all could handle it and now a month in it is too much. I think he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt after suiting up a day after his mom passed.
Then he should leave school and go now no questions asked if he is truly needed. Otherwise play the season with your teammates then transfer. Him taking a redshirt but sticking out school the semester, ultimately Quitting on his team mid season so he can selfishly save himself a year of eligibility is not excused by losing a parent. These two things are not the same.
 

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Good luck to him. Seems to be a great kid and is making a smart business decision most likely.

I wonder if the biggest area ND will miss him is in the locker room/practice field. By all accounts he was the most vocal player and talked a ton of trash.

I feel the team has very little of that attitude and losing him only makes it worse.
Shuler could step up
 

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What if his family needs him? Sure he came back but maybe he thought they all could handle it and now a month in it is too much. I think he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt after suiting up a day after his mom passed.
Also would be a very unique situation that his family didnt need him until he had played the maximum amount of games he is allowed to play on the year and preserve his redshirt. Just sayim…
 

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It’s not a bad idea for him to red shirt but the staff and fellas should be trying to talk him into coming back next season.
Wouldn’t that mean he can stay with the team and keep working on his game under the best in the business?
I could see him starting next season and either having another year in 26 or going NFL.
 

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I think that was in reference to non-CFP bowl games though, wasn't it?
They directly addressed it on that topic, but there was always an undercurrent of "doing what they thought was best for themselves" being an acceptable reason for decisions/actions. Maybe I am extrapolating some of my impression from how professional or business like they were on a lot of topics.
 

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For better or for worse, business is a major focus on the value of football. For example, I would have liked Alt back another season, but he went with the big check, and of course, no one made a big stink of it and rightfully not. He could have come back though. Did it make him less of a teammate to put his interests first at some point though? No. He was a major starter and consistent as hell so we supported his journey and said bravo because he fit a mold.

But what of a player with less praise and comparative value like Mickey? He likely saw the writing on the wall when the dust settled, talked it over with his coaches, the players, and his family, and made the call. Humans take advantage of situations every day. I’m sure Mickey started this season with the passion to play at ND and I’m sure this wasn’t an easy decision for him. However, his path is calling him elsewhere. The days of football being purely team driven have long been gone. It’s more a game of can you as a team take as much advantage of the season as possible while handling expected attrition with the stockpile you have. It’s the way it is.
Yes, I'm happy about it. Players should be able to play where ever they want.
 

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Not surprised by the move, he's always been confident in his own abilities. Not sure what his confidence is based on (it's definitely not the in-game production), but I don't blame a kid for betting on himself
 

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From an ND networking perspective does this affect how they are perceived out there as having quit oh his team? Why can’t he remain on the team on the scout team etc? His tuition is still being paid and room and board too I presume. Would be nice to see him do well playing full time elsewhere. Typically the guys who leave don’t amount to anymore than they did here at ND.
Can anyone provide some successful examples?
 

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From an ND networking perspective does this affect how they are perceived out there as having quit oh his team? Why can’t he remain on the team on the scout team etc? His tuition is still being paid and room and board too I presume. Would be nice to see him do well playing full time elsewhere. Typically the guys who leave don’t amount to anymore than they did here at ND.
Can anyone provide some successful examples?
Holden Staes is recent and doing relatively well
 

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I hate to see him go and I wish him the best of luck.

He went through a lot with the loss of his mother and he will be getting his ND degree.

I remember when our depth chart at CB wasn't strong like it is now. Wherever he goes he should be able to make a name for himself.

I enjoyed watching him during his time at ND!
 

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I hate to see him go and I wish him the best of luck.

He went through a lot with the loss of his mother and he will be getting his ND degree.

I remember when our depth chart at CB wasn't strong like it is now. Wherever he goes he should be able to make a name for himself.

I enjoyed watching him during his time at ND!
For real. Do you think we could have been convinced 4-5 years ago that the secondary would be this strong and deep?
 

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From an ND networking perspective does this affect how they are perceived out there as having quit oh his team? Why can’t he remain on the team on the scout team etc? His tuition is still being paid and room and board too I presume. Would be nice to see him do well playing full time elsewhere. Typically the guys who leave don’t amount to anymore than they did here at ND.
Can anyone provide some successful examples?
I think I saw Correll was the highest graded PFF center one of the weeks. Not sure how he’s doing overall.
 

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From an ND networking perspective does this affect how they are perceived out there as having quit oh his team? Why can’t he remain on the team on the scout team etc? His tuition is still being paid and room and board too I presume. Would be nice to see him do well playing full time elsewhere. Typically the guys who leave don’t amount to anymore than they did here at ND.
Can anyone provide some successful examples?
Some of the receivers who split during the Kelly years did alright to very good playing for other teams.
 

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For real. Do you think we could have been convinced 4-5 years ago that the secondary would be this strong and deep?
Honestly I think it comes down to coaching as much as anything. As much as you obviously need talent, the DB room has been great since Mike Mickens came on board.

Clark Lea had our linebackers cruising for years.

Elston did the same thing with our DL when he was here and also in Michigan. Wish we still had him on the staff.
 

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Honestly I think it comes down to coaching as much as anything. As much as you obviously need talent, the DB room has been great since Mike Mickens came on board.

Clark Lea had our linebackers cruising for years.

Elston did the same thing with our DL when he was here and also in Michigan. Wish we still had him on the staff.
Elston is a great d line coach. As a recruiter during his time at Notre Dame, he was mediocre to bad.

The best d lines at ND of late were the recruits Gilmore landed (five future nfl players in one class I believe) and Elston coached.
 
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