'22 AZ CB Benjamin Morrison (Notre Dame Signee)

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He went from a top 10 pick to bottom of the third round. Drop much worse than Jaylon Smith. Take a big NIL deal with paid insurance policy and come back to play opposite several other good DBs. We do need an improved pass rush to make our secondary look good. If healthy we should have that!
 
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BeatSC said:
He went from a top 10 pick to bottom of the third round. Drop much worse than Jaylon Smith. Take a big NIL deal with paid insurance policy and come back to play opposite several other good DBs. We do need an improved pass rush to make our secondary look good. If healthy we should have that!
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He's still solidly a 2nd round pick with half of the mock sites still projecting him to go in the 1st round. None of the mocks have him going lower than the 2nd round.

He's making the best decision for him. Sticking around college for another year to prove something he's already proved while risking another injury doesn't have much upside.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
pretty sure they have a short window to do so, and if they sign an agent it's a done deal.
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Their is no coming back from declaring for the nfl draft.

You are thinking of basketball. They can have NIL agents, though. They can't sign a professional contract to play and then return to college.
 
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bumpdaddy said:
He's still solidly a 2nd round pick with half of the mock sites still projecting him to go in the 1st round. None of the mocks have him going lower than the 2nd round.

He's making the best decision for him. Sticking around college for another year to prove something he's already proved while risking another injury doesn't have much upside.
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He's had two major injuries in a year and he doesn't really have anything more to prove skills-wise. I wish he'd come back too but realistically he should go get paid.
 
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BeatSC said:
He went from a top 10 pick to bottom of the third round. Drop much worse than Jaylon Smith. Take a big NIL deal with paid insurance policy and come back to play opposite several other good DBs. We do need an improved pass rush to make our secondary look good. If healthy we should have that!
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I don't think he's slipped much at all.

After the way he started the season, he was never going to be a Top 10 pick. He doesn't have measurables or wins with pure athleticism. He wins with technique and that seems caps a team's imagination.

I think he was going to be a back half of the first to front half of the second round pick. Now it's just the 2nd rd.
 
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jprue24 said:
I don't think he's slipped much at all.

After the way he started the season, he was never going to be a Top 10 pick. He doesn't have measurables or wins with pure athleticism. He wins with technique and that seems caps a team's imagination.

I think he was going to be a back half of the first to front half of the second round pick. Now it's just the 2nd rd.
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Someday I would like to figure out a way to track how often Notre Dame players "fall" from first half of the first-round picks in, say, September mock drafts, to the second round on Draft Day. It seems to happen with someone almost every year.

I don't think it has much to do with the players themselves - many of whom have turned into good pros. But our guys are well-known and the mock draft gurus know that Notre Dame will draw eyeballs, so they rate our players high. And then the draft itself draws near, the NFL scouts do their thing, measureables become more important than on-field production, diamonds in the rough emerge, etc etc.

I'm sure Morrison's injury hurt his draft stock but yeah he was likely never going to be a Top 10-15 pick in the end anyway.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Someday I would like to figure out a way to track how often Notre Dame players "fall" from first half of the first-round picks in, say, September mock drafts, to the second round on Draft Day. It seems to happen with someone almost every year.

I don't think it has much to do with the players themselves - many of whom have turned into good pros. But our guys are well-known and the mock draft gurus know that Notre Dame will draw eyeballs, so they rate our players high. And then the draft itself draws near, the NFL scouts do their thing, measureables become more important than on-field production, diamonds in the rough emerge, etc etc.

I'm sure Morrison's injury hurt his draft stock but yeah he was likely never going to be a Top 10-15 pick in the end anyway.
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Per ChatGPT.

Compiling a comprehensive list of Notre Dame football players who were projected as first-round NFL Draft picks before their final college season but were ultimately selected in later rounds over the past 30 years is challenging due to the variability and limited availability of historical mock draft data.

Here’s a list of Notre Dame football players from the past 30 years who were projected as first-round picks before their final college season, but were ultimately drafted in later rounds:



📋 Notre Dame Players Projected as 1st-Rounders but Drafted Later​


PlayerPositionDraft YearPreseason Round ProjectionActual Draft Round & PickReason for Slide
Jaylon SmithLB2016Top 5 overall2nd round, 34th overallMajor knee injury (Fiesta Bowl)
Manti Te'oLB2013Mid-late 1st round2nd round, 38th overallPoor combine & off-field controversy
Stephon TuittDL2014Late 1st round2nd round, 46th overallFoot surgery pre-draft
Benjamin MorrisonCB2025*1st roundTBDInjury-limited season, projections still vary
Michael MayerTE2023Top TE, mid-late 1st round2nd round, 35th overallAverage athletic testing
Isaiah FoskeyDE2023Late 1st round2nd round, 40th overallInconsistent production, combine impact
DeShone KizerQB2017Late 1st round2nd round, 52nd overallInconsistent performance, NFL readiness concerns
Tommy TrembleTE2021Fringe 1st round (some mocks)3rd round, 83rd overallLimited college receiving stats
KeiVarae RussellCB20161st round potential3rd round, 74th overallAcademic suspension, broken leg pre-draft

* Morrison is draft-eligible in 2025 and has not been officially drafted yet, but is included due to clear projection/draft stock drop indicators.

Edit - Irish Chocolate (rip) fell a few rounds.
 
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jprue24 said:
Per ChatGPT.

Compiling a comprehensive list of Notre Dame football players who were projected as first-round NFL Draft picks before their final college season but were ultimately selected in later rounds over the past 30 years is challenging due to the variability and limited availability of historical mock draft data.

Here’s a list of Notre Dame football players from the past 30 years who were projected as first-round picks before their final college season, but were ultimately drafted in later rounds:



📋 Notre Dame Players Projected as 1st-Rounders but Drafted Later​


PlayerPositionDraft YearPreseason Round ProjectionActual Draft Round & PickReason for Slide
Jaylon SmithLB2016Top 5 overall2nd round, 34th overallMajor knee injury (Fiesta Bowl)
Manti Te'oLB2013Mid-late 1st round2nd round, 38th overallPoor combine & off-field controversy
Stephon TuittDL2014Late 1st round2nd round, 46th overallFoot surgery pre-draft
Benjamin MorrisonCB2025*1st roundTBDInjury-limited season, projections still vary
Michael MayerTE2023Top TE, mid-late 1st round2nd round, 35th overallAverage athletic testing
Isaiah FoskeyDE2023Late 1st round2nd round, 40th overallInconsistent production, combine impact
DeShone KizerQB2017Late 1st round2nd round, 52nd overallInconsistent performance, NFL readiness concerns
Tommy TrembleTE2021Fringe 1st round (some mocks)3rd round, 83rd overallLimited college receiving stats
KeiVarae RussellCB20161st round potential3rd round, 74th overallAcademic suspension, broken leg pre-draft

* Morrison is draft-eligible in 2025 and has not been officially drafted yet, but is included due to clear projection/draft stock drop indicators.

Edit - Irish Chocolate (rip) fell a few rounds.
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Wu’s drop was also absurd and isn’t even listed because I don’t think he was preseason first round.
 
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I would be shocked if he lasts beyond Day 2. I could easily see him being selected between 20-35.
 
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Wu had a heart condition or something that was discovered at the combine. That coupled with being a little undersized meant he could never be a first rounder.
 
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MrNimbus said:
Ben and X are going to make 2 gms look like geniuses in a few years.
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I have a friend who is a huge Ravens fan, but doesn't really care for college ball at all. He didn't believe me when I told them that they got Kyle Hamilton for a steal and it was arguably one of the best picks for value for the entire draft, even at 14.

He was under the assumption that unless it's an OL or TE, "an ND player is probably overrated." It's not really nefarious, he just doesn't know anything about CFB at all. A year later he sends me a text going "holy shit you called it. This dude is amazing. I was very wrong."

BenMo and X are going to be the same situation here, IMO. Teams with a super high draft are going to pass, and teams with a low 1st round are going to pick up incredible value for a discount. There's a reason why all of the same teams always seem to be in the top draft picks every year...
 
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jprue24 said:
Per ChatGPT.

Compiling a comprehensive list of Notre Dame football players who were projected as first-round NFL Draft picks before their final college season but were ultimately selected in later rounds over the past 30 years is challenging due to the variability and limited availability of historical mock draft data.

Here’s a list of Notre Dame football players from the past 30 years who were projected as first-round picks before their final college season, but were ultimately drafted in later rounds:



📋 Notre Dame Players Projected as 1st-Rounders but Drafted Later​


PlayerPositionDraft YearPreseason Round ProjectionActual Draft Round & PickReason for Slide
Jaylon SmithLB2016Top 5 overall2nd round, 34th overallMajor knee injury (Fiesta Bowl)
Manti Te'oLB2013Mid-late 1st round2nd round, 38th overallPoor combine & off-field controversy
Stephon TuittDL2014Late 1st round2nd round, 46th overallFoot surgery pre-draft
Benjamin MorrisonCB2025*1st roundTBDInjury-limited season, projections still vary
Michael MayerTE2023Top TE, mid-late 1st round2nd round, 35th overallAverage athletic testing
Isaiah FoskeyDE2023Late 1st round2nd round, 40th overallInconsistent production, combine impact
DeShone KizerQB2017Late 1st round2nd round, 52nd overallInconsistent performance, NFL readiness concerns
Tommy TrembleTE2021Fringe 1st round (some mocks)3rd round, 83rd overallLimited college receiving stats
KeiVarae RussellCB20161st round potential3rd round, 74th overallAcademic suspension, broken leg pre-draft

* Morrison is draft-eligible in 2025 and has not been officially drafted yet, but is included due to clear projection/draft stock drop indicators.

Edit - Irish Chocolate (rip) fell a few rounds.
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No one cares what ChatGPT says.
 
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jprue24 said:
I used it as a researching shortcut and wasn't going to hide that. Go police your lawn.
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Lawn? What you trying to say I’m old because I said no one cares about a shitty AI program that is wrong all the time. Good one.
 
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The Vikings may have the worst cornerback room currently in the NFL right now pre draft.
If healthy, Benjamin would likely start day one for one of the best defensive minds in the game right now.

As a Vikings fan this would be great, but Kwesi our GM has taken injury prone defensive secondary players early in his three drafts with the franchise, and most have blown up in his face.
I would be surprised if he did that again with his first pick in this draft.
 
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Interesting gauge: 15/1 on FD to be a 1st Round Pick. 15th best plus money odds. Would imply looking at a second round
 
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