'21 TN OLB Prince Kollie (Notre Dame Signee)

[Domina Nostra]

There certainly are gamers! But I agree with Freeman that practice matters because it builds faith in coaches, and coaches are who decide who plays.

 

[Dale]

lol those quotes should go well for the kelly haters among us.

How you practice matters.

Almost like that particular complaint was always stupid.....lol

A ton of the issues or “excuses” discussed here over the years attributed to Kelly or ND are in reality common amongst all of CFB/coaches. Doesn’t necessarily make them right but

 

[Irish#1]

Coincidence that Mr. Freeman mentioned that our best player is also our best practice player? Hmmm

 

[luckofirish8]

I see MF points, but on one hand he says there is no such thing as a "gamer" and/or "practice player" then he discusses Mayer as the ultimate practice player. It is all silly coach speak for being more consistent. You know who is consistent...JD Bertrand...consistently slow at getting to the ball. If he doesn't diagnosis the play immediately, it is too late.

All jokes aside Kollie's speed stood out in a big way on that QB sack. We need more of that. Period.

These next two weeks should be a great opportunity to get Kollie some more game reps.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Prince has been charged with upping his game during the week so the coaches can up his game(time) on Saturday. He knows what to do, now just do it and earn those minutes PK. We all want to see you out there, do what the coaches ask and start building your legacy here.

 

[Dale]

I see MF points, but on one hand he says there is no such thing as a "gamer" and/or "practice player" then he discusses Mayer as the ultimate practice player. It is all silly coach speak for being more consistent. You know who is consistent...JD Bertrand...consistently slow at getting to the ball. If he doesn't diagnosis the play immediately, it is too late.

All jokes aside Kollie's speed stood out in a big way on that QB sack. We need more of that. Period.

These next two weeks should be a great opportunity to get Kollie some more game reps.

He didn’t say there is no such thing as a practice player. That’s what he was endorsing as a thing.

Mayer practices well so he plays well on game day. Kollie has been challenged to practice well to continue to play both more and well on game day.

 

[luckofirish8]

He didn’t say there is no such thing as a practice player. That’s what he was endorsing as a thing.

Mayer practices well so he plays well on game day. Kollie has been challenged to practice well to continue to play both more and well on game day.

Correct, he said there is no such thing as a "gamer." Conversely, that would mean there would be no such thing as a "practice player."
For example...Carroll would get rave reviews about his ability to handle center from practice, but he wasn't exactly a shining light to start the season.

The opposite could be true about Kollie...he may not currently be lighting up the practice field, but he has made some flash plays when given the opportunity on game days. Hence the idea and the question of him being a "gamer."

I think my point stands as this idea of a "gamer" or "practice player" is just silly coach speak for wanting a player to show consistency. Hell, MF said as much...coaches gain trust in players that consistently show up in practice.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think gamers absolutely exist, and I think Pyne is one of them.

 

[Ophiocordyceps]

I think gamers absolutely exist, and I think Pyne is one of them.

You can be a star in practice, but when the lights go on your either a gamer or not.

 

[MacIrish75]

Prince has been charged with upping his game during the week so the coaches can up his game(time) on Saturday. He knows what to do, now just do it and earn those minutes PK. We all want to see you out there, do what the coaches ask and start building your legacy here.

Read this and shit my drawers.

 

[luckofirish8]

@Old Man Mike

I'm just curious, how you see it now?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Prince must be the guy moving forward.

Bertrand and Marist isn't working. We're halfway into the season and the LB play hasn't gotten better.

 

[Irish#1]

Prince must be the guy moving forward.

Bertrand and Marist isn't working. We're halfway into the season and the LB play hasn't gotten better.

Agree. I think that’s what MF is trying to convey, “I want you out there, show me by your work you want to be out there.”

 

[Irishcop]

Any word on Sneed? I was super excited about him and thought he would see the field early. Kid seemed super athletic.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Both of these terms have subtleties and shouldn't be loosely talked about (especially willy nilly all over the place) without a strong definition of what the heck is in discussion.

Example: for some people, the concept of a "gamer" is a high-ceiling talent who is lazy, doesn't practice hard, is more about "me" than team, and uses the Gamer tag as an excuse to mask the fact that he's immature and a lousy teammate. Others use this term for a guy who does all he can in practice, gets on the field deserving it, and has a unique knack in game situations to "see" the game at a superior level that doesn't present itself in practice, and up his game to great heights. I trust that folks can easily see the difference and pick the guy that they want on their side.

Example two: for some people a "practice player" is a guy with a big heart but low talent, that a coaching staff likes, but who is really not talented enough to be more than a role player if that. He might get on the field and everybody is rooting for him. For others a "practice player" is a guy with plenty of talent that he shows in practice but can't handle the pressure of the real game competition. We had a "famous" QB in Kelly's first year who was a posterchild for this.

Babbling around slinging catch phrases without cluing the readers as to what the he!l one is talking about, is a Red Card. Contrast that sort of post with Dale's who managed to make it quite clear what sorts of players he was talking about.

Applying the definitions to Mayer, it's obvious that he's the right sort of gamer, and not a "practice player" at all, but rather a great talent who also practices hard. Trying to apply the definitions to Drew Pyne is a work in progress data-wise --- he works his butt off, but will he be great enough to be a "gamer?" He's not low talent/ceiling, but is he high talent? He certainly isn't afraid (a la Chryst.)

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Both of these terms have subtleties and shouldn't be loosely talked about (especially willy nilly all over the place) without a strong definition of what the heck is in discussion.

Example: for some people, the concept of a "gamer" is a high-ceiling talent who is lazy, doesn't practice hard, is more about "me" than team, and uses the Gamer tag as an excuse to mask the fact that he's immature and a lousy teammate. Others use this term for a guy who does all he can in practice, gets on the field deserving it, and has a unique knack in game situations to "see" the game at a superior level that doesn't present itself in practice, and up his game to great heights. I trust that folks can easily see the difference and pick the guy that they want on their side.

Example two: for some people a "practice player" is a guy with a big heart but low talent, that a coaching staff likes, but who is really not talented enough to be more than a role player if that. He might get on the field and everybody is rooting for him. For others a "practice player" is a guy with plenty of talent that he shows in practice but can't handle the pressure of the real game competition. We had a "famous" QB in Kelly's first year who was a posterchild for this.

Babbling around slinging catch phrases without cluing the readers as to what the he!l one is talking about, is a Red Card. Contrast that sort of post with Dale's who managed to make it quite clear what sorts of players he was talking about.

Applying the definitions to Mayer, it's obvious that he's the right sort of gamer, and not a "practice player" at all, but rather a great talent who also practices hard. Trying to apply the definitions to Drew Pyne is a work in progress data-wise --- he works his butt off, but will he be great enough to be a "gamer?" He's not low talent/ceiling, but is he high talent? He certainly isn't afraid (a la Chryst.)

Crist
Get it right

 

[luckofirish8]

Both of these terms have subtleties and shouldn't be loosely talked about (especially willy nilly all over the place) without a strong definition of what the heck is in discussion.

Example: for some people, the concept of a "gamer" is a high-ceiling talent who is lazy, doesn't practice hard, is more about "me" than team, and uses the Gamer tag as an excuse to mask the fact that he's immature and a lousy teammate. Others use this term for a guy who does all he can in practice, gets on the field deserving it, and has a unique knack in game situations to "see" the game at a superior level that doesn't present itself in practice, and up his game to great heights. I trust that folks can easily see the difference and pick the guy that they want on their side.

Example two: for some people a "practice player" is a guy with a big heart but low talent, that a coaching staff likes, but who is really not talented enough to be more than a role player if that. He might get on the field and everybody is rooting for him. For others a "practice player" is a guy with plenty of talent that he shows in practice but can't handle the pressure of the real game competition. We had a "famous" QB in Kelly's first year who was a posterchild for this.

Babbling around slinging catch phrases without cluing the readers as to what the he!l one is talking about, is a Red Card. Contrast that sort of post with Dale's who managed to make it quite clear what sorts of players he was talking about.

Applying the definitions to Mayer, it's obvious that he's the right sort of gamer, and not a "practice player" at all, but rather a great talent who also practices hard. Trying to apply the definitions to Drew Pyne is a work in progress data-wise --- he works his butt off, but will he be great enough to be a "gamer?" He's not low talent/ceiling, but is he high talent? He certainly isn't afraid (a la Chryst.)

Thank you for your explanation. Always curious to see/hear the other side.

I would have guessed this was the only clue a reader would have needed for context of what I was talking about. Freeman was later quoted as discussing how Mayer is a great practice player. He also just happens to be the best and most consistent player on the team. As another poster stated...coincidence? Maybe...maybe not. It certainly helps strengthen his no such thing as a gamer point to the younger players though.

He, of course, could have just been trying to answer a question from a reporter as best he could as well though. Giving an explanation into his thought process as to why Kollie has seen limited snaps to this point, because it is fairly obvious based off like two plays that Kollie easily has the highest potential upside of anyone we have seen rolled out at LB this season.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I think the point MF and others are making is that you give full effort in practice, all the time and show you can execute your “duties” on a consistent basis. If that happens, you’ll get your time in the games.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yes. Coach Freeman is talking about the practice slacker sort of "gamer" idea. He's saying that no such players will in fact play at Notre dame nor any serious program.

 

[Rack Em]

Read this and shit my drawers.

Daily Wisdom: If you don't wear pants, you can't shit them.

 

[luckofirish8]

Yes. Coach Freeman is talking about the practice slacker sort of "gamer" idea. He's saying that no such players will in fact play at Notre dame nor any serious program.

No where does MF mention Kollie as a slacker in practice...you are reading into that what you want (and you might well be right to be fair). However, it is both possible to be inconsistent in practice, but not be a slacker.

Alas, though, we can likely agree that Kollie needs to do whatever Freeman needs him to do. Because he needs to be on the field at this point.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Any word on Sneed? I was super excited about him and thought he would see the field early. Kid seemed super athletic.

Not really the place to ask and it's unlikely he'll be challenging for minutes this year. Even the most hyper-athletic LBs often need time to acclimate. Look at JOK, RS freshman, broke his foot, then explodes on the scene.

Sneed will be a weapon for us but let's hope it's next year.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Not really the place to ask and it's unlikely he'll be challenging for minutes this year. Even the most hyper-athletic LBs often need time to acclimate. Look at JOK, RS freshman, broke his foot, then explodes on the scene.

Sneed will be a weapon for us but let's hope it's next year.

And he improved a lot over the course of 2019

 

[Irish#1]

Not really the place to ask and it's unlikely he'll be challenging for minutes this year. Even the most hyper-athletic LBs often need time to acclimate. Look at JOK, RS freshman, broke his foot, then explodes on the scene.

Sneed will be a weapon for us but let's hope it's next year.

I'd like for him to become a weapon this year.

 

[Edge]

Trying to figure out why Freeman lies to reporters and fan base

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Trying to figure out why Freeman lies to reporters and fan base

Trying to figure out what you mean?

 

[Domina Nostra]

To me, Freeman basically said, "Prince, I want to play you, but I have to promote the players that practice best or the team will fall apart. You are a bit of a mess in practice and these guys do everything right. So please give me one week of great practices so I have an excuse to play you. Sound good?"

 

[CanadalovesND]

To me, Freeman basically said, "Prince, I want to play you, but I have to promote the players that practice best or the team will fall apart. You are a bit of a mess in practice and these guys do everything right. So please give me one week of great practices so I have an excuse to play you. Sound good?"

Luifua and Bertrand are also seniors. They know how to practice and know how to meet the expectations in practice. I don't think it's simply Kollie needs to practice better, but also he needs to show he can "out-practice" the starters. Even though both Bertrand & Luifua have struggled, they are obviously showing the coaches and Freeman that they are the best options ND has. It starts in practice.

 

[NDdomer2]

it comes down to trust. Can I trust you to make the right read, the right fit, the right adjustment, etc.

He may be physically more gifted and talented, but if he cant be trusted (and the others can) then the trusted players will play.

Trust is built in practice.

 

[Crazy Balki]

it comes down to trust. Can I trust you to make the right read, the right fit, the right adjustment, etc.

He may be physically more gifted and talented, but if he cant be trusted (and the others can) then the trusted players will play.

Trust is built in practice.

That trust isn't transferring over to the game.

They could look like Mike Singletary and Wilbur Marshall Monday through Friday. But that doesn't mean anything if it doesn't transition over when it matters.

It's been 5 games. We have more than enough evidence to indicate that it's not just rust or them having to adjust to a new scheme or position. This isn't like the OL, who has adjusted since a bad start to the season.

You want to get the most out of your players in practice and trust they'll do the right thing, but they trusted Bertrand and Marist to put out a great product at LB and that trust has not paid off. Eventually, you have to try something else, because us trying to bash a square peg into a round hole is getting us nowhere.