2025 College Football Playoffs

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Thanks to the folks on this board I watched the IU game from last year & it was a good night. Makes me salty we aren’t doing it again this year but that was a such a good day. Especially because the first time those clowns had to broadcast one of our home games on their network we ended up winning.
 

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If things are going to remain as is (conferences), expanding would require modifications. Conference championship games would have to be terminated. Otherwise you could legitimately have two guaranteed (B1G and SEC) and up to four (Big XII and ACC) complaining to no end about Notre Dame never having a 13th game the week before the playoffs. And I would agree. This season you would have probably had a 12th seed ND heading to 4th seed Texas Tech with ND coming off a week off, TT coming off a CCG against BYU the week before.
Disagree IF the team in question scheduled an FCS opponent which most CFP team do. In no way should a win over an FCS opponent count as a ”data point”. In your scenario w/ Texas Tech, they would’ve played just as many P4 opponents as ND b/c they opened the season w/ a scrimmage/glorified bye playing FCS University of Arkansas @ Pine Bluff. Play 13 FBS opponents & I’ll concede it’s an advantage over ND playing 12 FBS opponents.

As far as ending the CCG, Swarbrick was asked about it and he said there was a solution. Pay the conferences off to end them. We all know those games are maintained for one reason…REVENUE. To suggest ending them, the conferences would want compensation for that lost revenue so additional monies would be needed to pay them off.
 

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I doubt the playoffs will ever go back to a BCS like system but would that even be without its flaws? I mean I am not bothered personally that the BCS computer shafted the condoms for OU in the 03-04 season but what’s to say something like that won’t happen again where a worthy team would be left out because the computer felt Bama or an SEC team deserved it more?
 

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I doubt the playoffs will ever go back to a BCS like system but would that even be without its flaws? I mean I am not bothered personally that the BCS computer shafted the condoms for OU in the 03-04 season but what’s to say something like that won’t happen again where a worthy team would be left out because the computer felt Bama or an SEC team deserved it more?
I think the Bama vs LSU rematch in the NC game killed the BCS system.

Meanwhile, how many decades has the FCS been running an efficient playoff?
 

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None of the issues with the G5 representation is the G5s “fault”. As mentioned prior, this system was put in place not with the idea they would ever get a spot. It was the P5. Then realignment happened. So fault for the format? TV and Power conferences.

The second component is what they do once they get there. We are giving more access to the G5 than ever before when they are weaker teams. This is due to the portal/NIL. JMU, Boise and Tulane are power rated much lower relative to like a 2021 Cincinnati or 2017 UCF and I’m sure older teams. So fault for the performance? NIL/Portal which you can put at the feet of the NCAA and others in power.

IMO the fix is make some sort of qualifier. CFP ranking is the easiest but also dumbest. I think having a power conference win would help but then you get Northwestern’s of the world taking losses. Could borrow the”Quad 1 Win” type thing from CBB instead. The best is probably just a basic BCS rating threshold for any team to make the CFP.

The G5 access would've been important in 2008 or something. Once Utah and TCU left the Mountain West, it became much less important. Now the Big 12 is a G5 conference with better branding.
 

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I doubt the playoffs will ever go back to a BCS like system but would that even be without its flaws? I mean I am not bothered personally that the BCS computer shafted the condoms for OU in the 03-04 season but what’s to say something like that won’t happen again where a worthy team would be left out because the computer felt Bama or an SEC team deserved it more?
I mean it’s altogether possible, but it’s also far more likely that humans get it wrong, especially now with the rise of AI and heavier ML machinery than existed decades ago.

I’m extremely biased here but it seems like a no brainer. Or, at the very least, we should implement an ensemble based approach that leverages both computerized and human rankings. Anything but giving full reins to humans who are frequently wrong and have inherent biases.
 
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I doubt the playoffs will ever go back to a BCS like system but would that even be without its flaws? I mean I am not bothered personally that the BCS computer shafted the condoms for OU in the 03-04 season but what’s to say something like that won’t happen again where a worthy team would be left out because the computer felt Bama or an SEC team deserved it more?
This is like saying because a Jeep will not be perfect at helping me drive through tough terrain, it is no better than my Accord. A computer-based ranking would include human elements (e.g., the AP and Coaches' polls) and would be far better than the current system.
 

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Need to replace the bowls with an NIT system with teams ranked 13 through 24 maybe. Would need financial incentives of course. Also need financial penalties for breach of contract with the players if they choose not to play.
 

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OSU licking their chops right now. These are not good teams.
Miami has beaten two tough playoff worthy teams this season. Ohio State is the favorite to win, but I think Miami is being underrated.

Beck won’t play that poorly again in an indoor arena and our defense is really good. Would love to beat OSU. Fuck the buckeyes!
 

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Need to replace the bowls with an NIT system with teams ranked 13 through 24 maybe. Would need financial incentives of course. Also need financial penalties for breach of contract with the players if they choose not to play.
Why would we need any of that?
 

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To Gattaca's point, it took a lot of good circumstance for their best team to get in. But given the way all the ESPN talking heads were talking even before the UVA-Duke game, I wouldn't have been shocked if Miami made it in regardless of that outcome, and they sneak in two teams.

Regardless, yeah, the only ACC team with a chance to win a first-round playoff game made the field, and won, so even more money for them. There's no particular reason to change things.
The ACC gains nothing in any scenario by letting a team like Duke this season into their CCG.
 

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The ACC gains nothing in any scenario by letting a team like Duke this season into their CCG.
I disagree. The point of the tiebreaker is to maximize the number of playoff teams. If UVA had won, maybe they get two teams in, as stInd01 said. Now, as it happens, we have evidence that the ACC knew it advance only 1 ACC team would get in (UVA if they won, Miami if Duke won).

The ACC tiebreaker works fine for the ACC. It screwed ND, though.
 

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Need to replace the bowls with an NIT system with teams ranked 13 through 24 maybe. Would need financial incentives of course. Also need financial penalties for breach of contract with the players if they choose not to play.

Going to be a bigger dud than the NIT with the timing of the transfer portal. Any impact player getting big offers from other programs is not going to risk the payday for something like this. Especially with multiple rounds.

The only way the smaller bowls survive is by offering payouts and cash prizes to players.

The era of random bowl organizers and ESPN getting all the profit in exchange for a gift bag is dying.
 

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I disagree. The point of the tiebreaker is to maximize the number of playoff teams. If UVA had won, maybe they get two teams in, as stInd01 said. Now, as it happens, we have evidence that the ACC knew it advance only 1 ACC team would get in (UVA if they won, Miami if Duke won).

The ACC tiebreaker works fine for the ACC. It screwed ND, though.
Well you’re wrong. Even excluding Miami if they want to bank on somehow having gotten them in as an at large they would have been better off having had GT instead of Duke in who had no chance of making the playoffs even if they won their championship.
 

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Espn screwed ND and should be looked into for collusion. Nd was crushing teams and was the hottest team going into playoffs. Espn didnt want ND winning Champ this yr as Nd was gonna win this yr! This was NDs champ season and Espn took it from us! There should be no “true” champ this yr bc of Espn running interference. This is an asterisk champ season as the teams didnt play ND; bc of Espn. F them! ND claim that Championship like those BS SEC schools! Espn has also now shown that conference champions mean nothing, so they flipped on their hell bent stance. JMU, Tulane, jokes. Go Duke(acc champs!) and Bama u were embarrassed on huge stage against Georgia and Oklahoma was an offensive joke all season. Go Irish, ☘️🏆 1993, 2025
 

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Right, the point of the auto-bids is to get teams in that would not otherwise get in. And from what I have read, the SEC is content with simply putting in the top 12 teams. It's the Big 10 that wants auto-bids. I don't know if ND took a position on this when the whole thing was being developed, but ND will never get an auto-bid so long as it is independent; all the auto-bids can do is bump ND out in favor of a worse team. (And this has been repeated enough, but the MOU is meaningless because it depends on the committee ranking. It isn't like an auto-bid for winning a CCG.)

No auto-bids means the bizarre conference tiebreaker rules do not determine who gets in. ND should never have agreed to a system where the ACC's tiebreaker could knock ND out of the playoff. They can have whatever tiebreaker they want; it shouldn't matter at all.
for what it’s worth, I don’t think the MOU is worthless. Dropping us from 9 to 13 this year for no other reason than keeping us out would have been blatant bad faith way beyond what happened.

But the second that thing gets invoked to keep us in when we’d otherwise have been out there’s going to be mayhem and it’s going to go away.
 

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Right, the point of the auto-bids is to get teams in that would not otherwise get in. And from what I have read, the SEC is content with simply putting in the top 12 teams. It's the Big 10 that wants auto-bids. I don't know if ND took a position on this when the whole thing was being developed, but ND will never get an auto-bid so long as it is independent; all the auto-bids can do is bump ND out in favor of a worse team. (And this has been repeated enough, but the MOU is meaningless because it depends on the committee ranking. It isn't like an auto-bid for winning a CCG.)

No auto-bids means the bizarre conference tiebreaker rules do not determine who gets in. ND should never have agreed to a system where the ACC's tiebreaker could knock ND out of the playoff. They can have whatever tiebreaker they want; it shouldn't matter at all.
I believe every conference used the same tiebreaker. Only the AAC used highest in the PC rankings.
I think that the ACC just gets blamed because they have the most 8 win teams playing in their ACCCG.
 

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I doubt the playoffs will ever go back to a BCS like system but would that even be without its flaws? I mean I am not bothered personally that the BCS computer shafted the condoms for OU in the 03-04 season but what’s to say something like that won’t happen again where a worthy team would be left out because the computer felt Bama or an SEC team deserved it more?

Agree, but Sankey can't lobby a computer.
The thing about the computers is that they don't have an 'eye test.' But they can be manipulated. The SEC has been doing it for years by only playing 8 conference games. In the 9th slot a conference goes .500 against itself but the SEC will go something .900 against Middle Tennessees.

I notice the SEC is moving to a 9 conf game schedule about the same time as it is demanding automatic bids.
 

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The thing about the computers is that they don't have an 'eye test.' But they can be manipulated. The SEC has been doing it for years by only playing 8 conference games. In the 9th slot a conference goes .500 against itself but the SEC will go something .900 against Middle Tennessees.

I notice the SEC is moving to a 9 conf game schedule about the same time as it is demanding automatic bids.
The eye test just means how good you look in wins and losses. Do you dominate from the start and put backups in the 2nd half? Do you blow a lead on some fluky plays? A lot of those situational eye test stuff can be accounted for with metrics like game control that are baked into a lot of the computer models.
 

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Thankfully it is the holidays and hopefully you have some time off so you don't have to leave the house.
HA. I'm essentially on house arrest.

Spent all last week at home (nasty case of flu).
Wife caught same thing on Saturday.
2 year old son got RSV yesterday.
3 year old daughter is bound to catch something any minute.
It's 24 degrees outside in Philly.
Daycare closed Dec 24 - Jan 5

And this is why there's a beer fridge in the garage.
 

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The eye test just means how good you look in wins and losses. Do you dominate from the start and put backups in the 2nd half? Do you blow a lead on some fluky plays? A lot of those situational eye test stuff can be accounted for with metrics like game control that are baked into a lot of the computer models.
Eye test also means how complete your team is. Like how Oklahoma had a good defense but a terrible offense this year. You can also account for that with metrics, but at a certain point you’re just tailoring the metrics to what you already know to be true.
 

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HA. I'm essentially on house arrest.

Spent all last week at home (nasty case of flu).
Wife caught same thing on Saturday.
2 year old son got RSV yesterday.
3 year old daughter is bound to catch something any minute.
It's 24 degrees outside in Philly.
Daycare closed Dec 24 - Jan 5

And this is why there's a beer fridge in the garage.
Damn bruh go get a fucking drink......or bottle. lol
 
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