2023 Transfer QB

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A QB room of Buch, Card, Angeli, and Minchey isn’t the worst.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pyne stuck around, particularly if he is just short of getting his degree. He'd still have 2 years of eligibility after next year because of the COVID year and he redshirted last year.
 

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Yep and since he was a EE in 2020 he should have his degree by the spring. It would be great if he could somehow get his degree next month so he could take part in spring ball. Jalen Hurts was able to do that when he went to Oklahoma.
It kind of feels like whoever our QB is next year, they should be here for spring ball. Makes a huge difference.
But, yeah, we're not likely to take a transfer who's almost-but-not-quite done with undergrad somewhere else, are we?
 

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Yep and since he was a EE in 2020 he should have his degree by the spring. It would be great if he could somehow get his degree next month so he could take part in spring ball. Jalen Hurts was able to do that when he went to Oklahoma.

I'm just not sure how I feel about a 2 year guy. I almost feel like a 1 year rental while we evaluate our other guys. If they are deemed not ready, you get another guy.

IDK, I want to develop our own guys in the end, would show top recruits they can come in and have a chance, and not be labeled as a place that goes to the portal every time.
 

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ISD and their weekly intel had a big portion about how Hudson Card would be a perfect fit for ND. Read into that what you will
Card is clearly very talented. I wouldn’t complain but I would be a little surprised because I think he is also less of a finished product than the other QBs that have been discussed around here.

He does offer a lot of ceiling.
 

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I'm just not sure how I feel about a 2 year guy. I almost feel like a 1 year rental while we evaluate our other guys. If they are deemed not ready, you get another guy.

IDK, I want to develop our own guys in the end, would show top recruits they can come in and have a chance, and not be labeled as a place that goes to the portal every time.
Yep. The portal is fine to plug a hole but we really don't want to be relying on it annually. Especially since we basically can't take undergrads. We're left sorting among one-year rentals who mostly aren't starting on their current team. Frankly we got pretty lucky with Coan.

Of course we should take one next season, as we should have this season, but long run we're far better off developing our own QBs into multi-year starters. Fortunately we seem to be rebuilding the pipeline to do so.
 

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Yep. The portal is fine to plug a hole but we really don't want to be relying on it annually. Especially since we basically can't take undergrads. We're left sorting among one-year rentals who mostly aren't starting on their current team. Frankly we got pretty lucky with Coan.

Of course we should take one next season, as we should have this season, but long run we're far better off developing our own QBs into multi-year starters. Fortunately we seem to be rebuilding the pipeline to do so.
Seems to be working for these teams - some of the most improved. I think it is going to be the norm like the NIL. If the Irish can't take advantage of JUCO transfers, they should at least be looking at the portal every year. No offense to your post - just IMO.

LSU Tigers.
USC Trojans.
Ole Miss Rebels.
Arkansas Razorbacks.
Florida State Seminoles.
 

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Card would be a good 2 year guy imo! Competition with him and Buchner., Minchey 2 years to develop and Carr 1 year. You then can get the best guy to take over upon Card leaving.
 

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A QB room of Buch, Card, Angeli, and Minchey isn’t the worst.
There’s a non-zero chance that the QB room has six scholarship players next year, which is kind of crazy. Pyne might transfer if he has his degree in hand, but I’m not sure what you do with RP3.
 

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Seems to be working for these teams - some of the most improved. I think it is going to be the norm like the NIL. If the Irish can't take advantage of JUCO transfers, they should at least be looking at the portal every year. No offense to your post - just IMO.

LSU Tigers.
USC Trojans.
Ole Miss Rebels.
Arkansas Razorbacks.
Florida State Seminoles.

Using the portal to bridge a gap or fill an immediate need is great, but imo it should be the exception not the rule.
 

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Seems to be working for these teams - some of the most improved. I think it is going to be the norm like the NIL. If the Irish can't take advantage of JUCO transfers, they should at least be looking at the portal every year. No offense to your post - just IMO.

LSU Tigers.
USC Trojans.
Ole Miss Rebels.
Arkansas Razorbacks.
Florida State Seminoles.
USC is kind of a unique case. They hired a coach and he brought his all-world QB with him.
Then their talented young QB transferred to Ole Miss rather than sit. Makes sense.
I guess FSU's guy transferred from Louisville after his freshman year but he's been their starter for three seasons. Arkansas' QB was recruited there.
LSU - taking a veteran transfer from another program - is the only of those that did what we're talking about here. I guess BK learned from the Coan Experience.

I agree plucking transfer QBs will be increasingly the norm. And if we could take undergrad transfers - that high four-star who gets recruited over and looks to jump as a sophomore (like Jaxson Dart) - and have them for several years, that'd be fine. But that's so hard for us admissions-wise. We're mostly looking at older guys with a year, maybe two, left in college ball who for whatever reason are on the market. Feels pretty hit-or-miss, and hard to develop continuity.

So while we absolutely do need a transfer next year, in general I guess I'd rather grow our own QBs.
 

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Two year guy is perfect. RP3 got his scholarship as a favor, but Freeman shouldn't be forced to let him have it for four years if the numbers don't work.
Hopefully Buchner doesn't transfer out if he loses the job, but Pyne has proven to be reliable in short spurts.

Card/Buchner/Pyne (in a pinch)/Angeli/Minchey is a great QB room.
 

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LSU - taking a veteran transfer from another program - is the only of those that did what we're talking about here. I guess BK learned from the Coan Experience.
Ed O with Joe cool too.
 

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USC is kind of a unique case. They hired a coach and he brought his all-world QB with him.
Then their talented young QB transferred to Ole Miss rather than sit. Makes sense.
I guess FSU's guy transferred from Louisville after his freshman year but he's been their starter for three seasons. Arkansas' QB was recruited there.
LSU - taking a veteran transfer from another program - is the only of those that did what we're talking about here. I guess BK learned from the Coan Experience.

I agree plucking transfer QBs will be increasingly the norm. And if we could take undergrad transfers - that high four-star who gets recruited over and looks to jump as a sophomore (like Jaxson Dart) - and have them for several years, that'd be fine. But that's so hard for us admissions-wise. We're mostly looking at older guys with a year, maybe two, left in college ball who for whatever reason are on the market. Feels pretty hit-or-miss, and hard to develop continuity.

So while we absolutely do need a transfer next year, in general I guess I'd rather grow our own QBs.
I get this is a QB thread... and I get your response too. But there are other positions I believe the portal would benefit the Irish. I didn't mean my response/post to be only the QB position nor did I mean for the response to 'build' a team strictly through the portal. But the Irish would/could benefit from the portal players that could start 'Day One' since JUCO is and has been out of the equation....

- edit- including a QB
 

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USC is kind of a unique case. They hired a coach and he brought his all-world QB with him.
Then their talented young QB transferred to Ole Miss rather than sit. Makes sense.
I guess FSU's guy transferred from Louisville after his freshman year but he's been their starter for three seasons. Arkansas' QB was recruited there.
LSU - taking a veteran transfer from another program - is the only of those that did what we're talking about here. I guess BK learned from the Coan Experience.

I agree plucking transfer QBs will be increasingly the norm. And if we could take undergrad transfers - that high four-star who gets recruited over and looks to jump as a sophomore (like Jaxson Dart) - and have them for several years, that'd be fine. But that's so hard for us admissions-wise. We're mostly looking at older guys with a year, maybe two, left in college ball who for whatever reason are on the market. Feels pretty hit-or-miss, and hard to develop continuity.

So while we absolutely do need a transfer next year, in general I guess I'd rather grow our own QBs.
Additionally - Weis was supposed to be the 'Schematic King' and 'BK the QB Creator King'... IMO MF could the the 'Team Builder King' with the portal.
 

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Two year guy is perfect. RP3 got his scholarship as a favor, but Freeman shouldn't be forced to let him have it for four years if the numbers don't work.
Hopefully Buchner doesn't transfer out if he loses the job, but Pyne has proven to be reliable in short spurts.

Card/Buchner/Pyne (in a pinch)/Angeli/Minchey is a great QB room.
Why cant ND yank RP3's schollie and give his dad a matching raise?
 
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I get this is a QB thread... and I get your response too. But there are other positions I believe the portal would benefit the Irish. I didn't mean my response/post to be only the QB position nor did I mean for the response to 'build' a team strictly through the portal. But the Irish would/could benefit from the portal players that could start 'Day One' since JUCO is and has been out of the equation....
For sure. And we've had some good transfers come in and do that (including Coan). But I do think, unless/until we change our approach to undergrad transfers, we're going to be limited in how much use we can make of the portal.
 

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I don't want a transfer anymore after getting Minchey. Before the idea was we'd have to be dealing with table scraps for a QB next year, a guy that wouldn't even be a project by most standards. Now with Minchey, hopefully a healthy Buchner, Pyne, and Angeli I'd roll with that room. This is especially true if the OL comes out in the Spring and doesn't miss a beat. If Minchey is the QB he appears to be I say roll with him and get experience for '24. At the very worst we've got a decent number of upperclassmen with experience to fall back on after that.
 

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There’s a non-zero chance that the QB room has six scholarship players next year, which is kind of crazy. Pyne might transfer if he has his degree in hand, but I’m not sure what you do with RP3.
It’s a much better problem to have then we had this season. Imagine if we had Caleb Williams instead of USC. And imagine USC without Caleb Williams.
 

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I would agree with you if we knew we could rely on Buchner to be healthy, but he is just so injury prone. Of course, we haven’t really seen Angeli, so we don’t truly know what we have there. We’ll know a little better by summer, so I’m not sure if we should risk it. A transfer is that extra insurance we are likely going to need.
Agree. Pyne is 3rd string at best and Buchner is inaccurate and unreliable. We 100% need a transfer. Sounds like the staff agrees with that. I’d be fine with a QB room of:
Transfer - starter
Angeli - backup
Pyne 3rd strong/veteran
Minchey- Scout team.
 

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I would agree with you if we knew we could rely on Buchner to be healthy, but he is just so injury prone. Of course, we haven’t really seen Angeli, so we don’t truly know what we have there. We’ll know a little better by summer, so I’m not sure if we should risk it. A transfer is that extra insurance we are likely going to need.
Eh, I trust Angeli having a year in the system would be serviceable at least. If we're rolling with Minchey then Buchner being an injury threat isn't as much of a concern, and visversa. At the end of the day we've still got Pyne to fall back on too with arguably more talent at all the skill positions next year except TE (But will still be pretty damn good). Just saying between those 4 guys, a hopefully serviceable OL or better, and a fair defense or better we should have no trouble winning a lot of games with that QB room. The only way I'm taking a transfer in that scenario is if he's above and beyond those 4 guys in talent...but the likelihood such an individual exists and isn't already getting drafted is unlikely.
 

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Eh, I trust Angeli having a year in the system would be serviceable at least. If we're rolling with Minchey then Buchner being an injury threat isn't as much of a concern, and visversa. At the end of the day we've still got Pyne to fall back on too with arguably more talent at all the skill positions next year except TE (But will still be pretty damn good). Just saying between those 4 guys, a hopefully serviceable OL or better, and a fair defense or better we should have no trouble winning a lot of games with that QB room. The only way I'm taking a transfer in that scenario is if he's above and beyond those 4 guys in talent...but the likelihood such an individual exists and isn't already getting drafted is unlikely.
The major difference between what you describe and this year's team is Minchey. And while I'm on the Minchey train too, I don't want to rely on a true freshman to walk in and be our QB (especially one who, I'd note, missed much of his senior year of HS with an injury).

I agree we're not likely to get a transfer who is "above and beyond" the talent level of Buchner and Minchey. But I'd take an experienced, replacement-level P5 QB who's willing to come in and compete, as an insurance policy if nothing else. Had we done that this season we'd have at least one more win and perhaps two.
 

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Card would be my top choice some positives.
1. He has a completion % of 70 and overall better numbers than Ewers.
2. He’s 6’2
3. He has experience against big time competition
4. He has two years left
 

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There’s a non-zero chance that the QB room has six scholarship players next year, which is kind of crazy. Pyne might transfer if he has his degree in hand, but I’m not sure what you do with RP3.
Driskell talked about this the other day and said there's no shot that there are 6 scholarship QB's on the roster next year.
 
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