2023 QB Cycle Cloudy Board

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Keep testing the waters with Chris V, and when Clemson flops this year (hopefully not before the ND game) he’ll have something to really think about. With his past interest, I’m sure the staff can come up with a viable excuse as to why there wasn’t more interest.
If he flipped to ND, maybe he brings someone else with him?
 

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You should take a look at 17 year old me’s MySpace posts! Not picking on you du lac, but people HAVE to stop bashing kids for errors in judgement. Why is it that we expect all of the top talents to unanimously be the mature, incapable of slip ups, leaders in their field? I’m not even trying to defend this kid per se, I just don’t get the rush to judgement going on. If he was “burning bridges” with his fellow USC commits because he was going to flip to ND, would everyone be feeling the same? Sorry guys, this guy is terrible and let’s root for his downfall, carry on…
 

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Keep testing the waters with Chris V, and when Clemson flops this year (hopefully not before the ND game) he’ll have something to really think about. With his past interest, I’m sure the staff can come up with a viable excuse as to why there wasn’t more interest.
If he flipped to ND, maybe he brings someone else with him?
Only chance of him flipping is if Klubnik wins the starting job at some point in the season and plays well. Chris would be signing up to sit on the bench for 2-3 years.
 

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Only chance of him flipping is if Klubnik wins the starting job at some point in the season and plays well. Chris would be signing up to sit on the bench for 2-3 years.
That's a real possibility given how poorly DJ played last year.
 

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I legit just think they’re all scared of CJ Carr. He’s too good.
 

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Right. And Rees squeezed every molecule of potential out of Book, so he's clearly developing the guys that commit. Whoever ends up as our '23 QB is important, but it's not like his entire legacy hangs on it.
His coaching and play calling prowess is not in question. His recruiting is.

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You should take a look at 17 year old me’s MySpace posts! Not picking on you du lac, but people HAVE to stop bashing kids for errors in judgement. Why is it that we expect all of the top talents to unanimously be the mature, incapable of slip ups, leaders in their field? I’m not even trying to defend this kid per se, I just don’t get the rush to judgement going on. If he was “burning bridges” with his fellow USC commits because he was going to flip to ND, would everyone be feeling the same? Sorry guys, this guy is terrible and let’s root for his downfall, carry on…

It’s called bad parenting and terrible coaching. You can’t just teach these kids growing up about the sport with out teaching them how to handle the success of being talented. There’s a difference between being confident and believing in yourself and being a prick.
 

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I exchanged texts with someone last night who said that the primary reason ND is struggling to recruit QB in ‘23 is that they have a 5-star committed in ‘24 and these Plan C guys all realize that they are Plan C and a worried about getting a fair shot.

They said that they think ND is going to have to take a “late bloomer” from a Tier 3 or Tier 4 program late in the cycle because they have no traction with anyone right now. Anyone they think is good isn’t interested in them, and they aren’t going to go after someone they don’t think can play.
 

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I exchanged texts with someone last night who said that the primary reason ND is struggling to recruit QB in ‘23 is that they have a 5-star committed in ‘24 and these Plan C guys all realize that they are Plan C and a worried about getting a fair shot.

They said that they think ND is going to have to take a “late bloomer” from a Tier 3 or Tier 4 program late in the cycle because they have no traction with anyone right now. Anyone they think is good isn’t interested in them, and they aren’t going to go after someone they don’t think can play.
This is exactly right and what I have been saying. If CJ Carr wasn't committed, we'd have interest. These kids have been at the same camps as CJ Carr. They realize he had the highest score for the season at the Elite 11. They know he beat Nico at the same camp. I have been saying they're all scared of him. They realize that he's the future of the program and it's going to take either another 5 star with hype or an incredible effort to keep him off the field. To be honest, as long as Buchner is good I am not too worried about it. If Buchner plays like shit we need a grad transfer ASAP for next season. I love CJ Carr and it's a good problem to have. He's accurate enough and EE that he should be able to start as a freshman if need. As long as things go as planned. I personally think the plan should be give TB his chance. If he blows it this year, go portal for a year or two and let he, Buchner, and Angeli battle it out. Pyne or Buchner will be gone, depending one how this season goes. I think a depth piece for this class is fine.
 
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I exchanged texts with someone last night who said that the primary reason ND is struggling to recruit QB in ‘23 is that they have a 5-star committed in ‘24 and these Plan C guys all realize that they are Plan C and a worried about getting a fair shot.

They said that they think ND is going to have to take a “late bloomer” from a Tier 3 or Tier 4 program late in the cycle because they have no traction with anyone right now. Anyone they think is good isn’t interested in them, and they aren’t going to go after someone they don’t think can play.


You are clearly connected and always have been since I have been on this site. But it’s funny that a situation like this happens at ND. But other schools recruit back to back to back 5 stars and top 100ish Qbs so this doesn’t make sense. Sounds like an excuse.
 

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You are clearly connected and always have been since I have been on this site. But it’s funny that a situation like this happens at ND. But other schools recruit back to back to back 5 stars and top 100ish Qbs so this doesn’t make sense. Sounds like an excuse.
Is is perhaps like a Manning situation? Kids see the writing on the wall with the last name? If Arch had committed early, I doubt they'd have gotten anyone in front of him.
 

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CJ Carr doesn’t move the needle?
100%, but how does that help the QB room this or next season? If Buchner busts for whatever reason, we can kiss any chance of taking that next step good bye at least until Carr gets here. My previous statement with CONTEXT:

"Ehhhh I hear you, and I do agree he can only be judged on this cycle once it closes. However, when you factor in Rees's body of work in terms of who he has signed, sealed, and delivered since Clark it's...not very impressive."

Followed by saying Buchner was the only one of the bunch that moved the needle.

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100%, but how does that help the QB room this or next season? If Buchner busts for whatever reason, we can kiss any chance of taking that next step good bye at least until Carr gets here. My previous statement with CONTEXT:

"Ehhhh I hear you, and I do agree he can only be judged on this cycle once it closes. However, when you factor in Rees's body of work in terms of who he has signed, sealed, and delivered since Clark it's...not very impressive."

Followed by saying Buchner was the only one of the bunch that moved the needle.

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Worse is if Buchner goes down next season and Pyne is long gone (which is a guarantee).
 

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Worse is if Buchner goes down next season and Pyne is long gone (which is a guarantee).
Not a guarantee, but point stands - what happens if Buchner doesn't pan out for any reason? Folks on here who are high on Angeli because he was (barely) a consensus a 4* and balled out for ONE DRIVE in an intra-squad game are out of their minds lol

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Not a guarantee, but point stands - what happens if Buchner doesn't pan out for any reason? Folks on here who are high on Angeli because he was (barely) a consensus a 4* and balled out for ONE DRIVE in an intra-squad game are out of their minds lol

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I’d be shocked if Pyne sticks around. That’s what I meant. Not that I think TB will get hurt. He is high risk though. I guess I’d be shocked if in the next 2-3 years he isn’t battling some injuries and taking some games off at the least. Who’s going to win those big games if and when that happens is a valid concern.

It’s always the case with a young QB that expectations are sky high. Even a low ranked Angeli is subject to this optimism slant. Having a decent drive in a spring game (extremely common) will set the zealous folks on fire.

We don’t have any passing talent on the roster right now that matches CJ Carr and he hasn’t even played his junior season.
 
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Not a guarantee, but point stands - what happens if Buchner doesn't pan out for any reason? Folks on here who are high on Angeli because he was (barely) a consensus a 4* and balled out for ONE DRIVE in an intra-squad game are out of their minds lol

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Then we grab Jack Coan 2.0 for a year. We have to adjust our mindset on recruiting, there will be plenty of QBs in the portal looking for an opportunity, and if Buchner stinks it could even be a two year player instead to give CJ a chance to get his feet underneath him.
 

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100%, but how does that help the QB room this or next season? If Buchner busts for whatever reason, we can kiss any chance of taking that next step good bye at least until Carr gets here. My previous statement with CONTEXT:

"Ehhhh I hear you, and I do agree he can only be judged on this cycle once it closes. However, when you factor in Rees's body of work in terms of who he has signed, sealed, and delivered since Clark it's...not very impressive."

Followed by saying Buchner was the only one of the bunch that moved the needle.

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The post you quoted has Carr’s name in it, that’s the only context needed. Jaxon Smolik doesn’t impact this or next year’s QB room either but that was the true original context.
 
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Then we grab Jack Coan 2.0 for a year. We have to adjust our mindset on recruiting, there will be plenty of QBs in the portal looking for an opportunity, and if Buchner stinks it could even be a two year player instead to give CJ a chance to get his feet underneath him.
The same issue for ND is that Jack Coan's don't come around every year willing to come to ND. JC was a grad student. Unless that kid is so good that he can start at ND, but is sitting the bench at Duke, we aren't finding anyone that good.
 
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The same issue for ND is that Jack Coan's don't come around every year willing to come to ND. JC was a grad student. Unless that kid is so good that he can start at ND, but is sitting the bench at Duke, we aren't finding anyone that good.

I disagree, I think if there is a legit opportunity, like in the scenario that Buchner sucks, there will be plenty of QBs willing to come that would be good. Coan was the odd man out at Wisconsin, rated middle of the pack for transfer qbs, and comes in for a year and we end up with a pretty darn good year (all praise be to Reesus). It will really boil down to admissions of course, but if the job was truly open I think we can at least add a Slovis level dude with the roster being built.
 

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I disagree, I think if there is a legit opportunity, like in the scenario that Buchner sucks, there will be plenty of QBs willing to come that would be good. Coan was the odd man out at Wisconsin, rated middle of the pack for transfer qbs, and comes in for a year and we end up with a pretty darn good year (all praise be to Reesus). It will really boil down to admissions of course, but if the job was truly open I think we can at least add a Slovis level dude with the roster being built.
If we opened up the admissions piece I agree. This is not in the works as far as I know. ND is not likely ever going to bend much more academically. Nor do I want them to. Joseph got in bc he was at NU.
 

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If we opened up the admissions piece I agree. This is not in the works as far as I know. ND is not likely ever going to bend much more academically. Nor do I want them to. Joseph got in bc he was at NU.

The good thing about that is who thought Joseph would even be an option a year ago? Lots of football to be played to give us tape on our next Coan 2.0, if we need it.
 

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The good thing about that is who thought Joseph would even be an option a year ago? Lots of football to be played to give us tape on our next Coan 2.0, if we need it.
I am in full support of taking all the worthy talent off the hands of NU, Stanford, Duke, Vandy, Harvard. I think this is a recruiting strategy that ND finds itself in a nice niche with. We are the only elite academic school with a football program that has the ability to make the playoffs. You can pitch to a Stanford kid that all his credits will transfer and your degree will still be high end. Those kids (Joseph's) actually care about that bc they've dedicated so much work to their elite degree. I expect Brandon Joesph's to become much more common at ND given the transfer rules.
 

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The post you quoted has Carr’s name in it, that’s the only context needed. Jaxon Smolik doesn’t impact this or next year’s QB room either but that was the true original context.
The post I quoted added Carr. My original statement was that no one (other than Buchner) that Rees signed, sealed, and delivered would move the needle at an "elite" school. Rees's '23 efforts so far don't appear to be any different. Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised by a late flip by someone who lifts the program up another notch. But given Rees's track record, it's more likely that my aunt grows balls and becomes my uncle.

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