2023 Fall Camp

[arrowryan]

OFFENSIVE MVP - Hartman (if someone doesn't pick hartman, they don't think we have a good/great season)

DEFENSIVE MVP - Betrand

MOST LIKELY TO BE NAMED A FRESHMAN ALL-AMERICAN - Greathouse

SURPRISE GAMEWRECKER - Botelho

MOST IMPROVED - Sneed

CLUTCH GENE - Thomas

COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Price

MR. CONSISTENT - Alt

MOST INTIMIDATING - Estime

MOST DYNAMIC - Tyree

WHO MAKES MIKE FRANK YELL THE MOST - Onye

JAMIE UYEYAMA AWARD FOR BEST INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINEMAN - Mills

I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibilities that Estime puts up a 2023 stat line of 1400 yards and 20ish touchdowns. That would certainly warrant MVP talk.

 

[Rocketman84]

Does anyone else watch Greathouse and see a physical mix between Floyd and Golden Tate? He has the physical size and strength, but also that small space suddenness of Tate, and "FU" mentality.

Alpha. Maybe Flores is too. Makes up for a couple Betas above them.

No, definitely not as strong as Floyd but alot closer to that than the suddenness amd quicks of Tate which Tate was in another realm.

 

[Rocketman84]

Alt and Fisher would be stupid to not enter the draft. And they aren't stupid.

But, sure, they will have remaining eligibility.

Alt is a top 10 pick but Fisher right now is proj as late 2nd-early 3rd, so he probably wants to raise his stock before leaving.

 

[Rocketman84]

I think Armstrong had an abdominal injury and was never the same guy afterwards.

Yep, he was solid before

 

[SDIrishFan]

Alt is a top 10 pick but Fisher right now is proj as late 2nd-early 3rd, so he probably wants to raise his stock before leaving.

But, he does have a whole season to raise his stock.

 

[Irish du Nord]

OFFENSIVE MVP
Alt (Top 5 player in CFB)

DEFENSIVE MVP
Morrison (First team AA)

MOST LIKELY TO BE NAMED A FRESHMAN ALL-AMERICAN
McFerson (Greathouse and Flores won’t get enough targets)

SURPRISE GAME WRECKER
Jean Baptiste (could see a multi-sack game or two from him)

MOST IMPROVED
Botelho (especially against the run)

CLUTCH GENE
Hartman (fingers crossed)

COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Price

MR. CONSISTENT
Alt

MOST INTIMIDATING
Alt (a very competitive category on this team)

MOST DYNAMIC
Gi’bran Payne (Swiss army knife third down back)

WHO MAKES MIKE FRANK YELL THE MOST
Rocco

JAMIE UYEYAMA AWARD FOR BEST INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
HC3

 

[Irish du Nord]

I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibilities that Estime puts up a 2023 stat line of 1400 yards and 20ish touchdowns. That would certainly warrant MVP talk.

I also think that we will have a good season but Joe Alt is a generational LT and will have a generational season.

Plus LT is one of the 4 or so most valuable positions on the offense. Having the best one in CFB doesn’t qualify him for MVP consideration?

 

[PutuporShutup]

I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibilities that Estime puts up a 2023 stat line of 1400 yards and 20ish touchdowns. That would certainly warrant MVP talk.

Absolutely....... But if we have a great season, Hartman, NDs captain is going to put up 3500 yards and over 35 combined TDs and he's going to be in the heisman conversation. Again, this is if we have a great season.

If we lose 2 or more games, then yes I can see Estime being the offensive MVP.

My point was if we go 11-1 or better, hartman is either the Team and or Offensive MVP. No way we go 11-1 or better without him having a great season.

Another way to put it. After mayer last year, estime was probably 2nd at MVP, because we went 8-4 with average QB play. If we had elite QB play last year and had gone 11-1, that QB would have been MVP.

 

[arrowryan]

Absolutely....... But if we have a great season Hartman, NDs captain is going to put up 3500 yards and over 35 combined TDs and he's going to be in the heisman conversation. Again, this is if we have a great season.

If we lose 2 or more games, then yes I can see Estime being the offensive MVP.

My point was if we go 11-1 or better, hartman is either Team and or Offensive MVP. No way we go 11-1 or better without him having a great season.

I just don't think Notre Dame will put Hartman in a position to throw for 3500 yards. WF forced Hartman to carry all of the weight, that won't be the case this season. I think Pete said that Hartman would be just the 2nd QB in school history to throw for that many yards.

 

[NDohio]

Absolutely....... But if we have a great season, Hartman, NDs captain is going to put up 3500 yards and over 35 combined TDs and he's going to be in the heisman conversation. Again, this is if we have a great season.

If we lose 2 or more games, then yes I can see Estime being the offensive MVP.

My point was if we go 11-1 or better, hartman is either the Team and or Offensive MVP. No way we go 11-1 or better without him having a great season.

Another way to put it. After mayer last year, estime was probably 2nd at MVP, because we went 8-4 with average QB play. If we had elite QB play last year and had gone 11-1, that QB would have been MVP.

But see, we look at this completely differently. If Hartman throws for 3500 yards this season then I think that something has gone terribly wrong. If that is the case then the defense has not been as good as we expect and/or the run game has fallen apart.

In my eyes, if Hartman is at 3500 yards then ND did not have a great season.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think it's possible Estime has a "bigger" year, relatively speaking, than Hartman does. However, I find it hard to believe we win as much as we want too without needing Hartman to be a Heisman/MVP.

 

[RDU Irish]

But see, we look at this completely differently. If Hartman throws for 3500 yards this season then I think that something has gone terribly wrong. If that is the case then the defense has not been as good as we expect and/or the run game has fallen apart.

In my eyes, if Hartman is at 3500 yards then ND did not have a great season.

Hartman threw for 3421 yards last regular season with three games under 300 yards passing. I'm kind of surprised to see he never eclipsed 400 yards. He threw on average 36 times per game. 3701 yards when you add the bowl game.

Last year our Pyne and Buchner combined for 2672 yards including the bowl game averaging under 26 attempts per game. One 300 yard game in a loss to USC to finish the season.

I think 3000 yards is a reasonable baseline expectation - 250 per game. Probably gets half a dozen fewer attempts than at WF but a chunk more than our QBs put in the air last year. Better completion percentage and YPP bringing him somewhere in between the two stat lines for the year. I wouldn't be surprised if the low game is 250 and high over 400 with a 300 per game average but I wouldn't bet on it either.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think it's possible Estime has a "bigger" year, relatively speaking, than Hartman does. However, I find it hard to believe we win as much as we want too without needing Hartman to be a Heisman/MVP.

I think they compliment each other. When is the last time teams couldn't stack the box on us? Estime will get more dump down passes that were sacks or sideline throws in the past. Diggs and Estime combined for 19 catches and 346 yards last year - that was split 10/9 and 211/135 respectively. Take out Diggs 75 yard long play and his other 9 went for 136 total. Estime with +300 yards receiving to compliment his 1000 yard rushing starts to look a lot more attractive to NFL teams.

 

[PutuporShutup]

But see, we look at this completely differently. If Hartman throws for 3500 yards this season then I think that something has gone terribly wrong. If that is the case then the defense has not been as good as we expect and/or the run game has fallen apart.

In my eyes, if Hartman is at 3500 yards then ND did not have a great season.

Just so we are apples to apples. My projections are on 14 games .

I think ND would run a Georgia type offense, Stetson threw for 4100 yards in 15 games last year, and they ran the crap out of the ball. Bowers with 900 yards was their leading receiving, they spread the ball around a ton and to their rbs. Their rbs had like 6-700 yds receiving. I think and hope hartman/ND do that with getting a lot of people touches.

Georgia averaged per game pretty close to 300 yds passing and 200 yds rushing. I think and hope that's what ND is looking/able to do. Ohio State was pretty close to that as well.

Only 2 of the top 10 offenses last year did NOT throw for more than 3650 yds. Michigan at 3000 and UCLA at 3448.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Hartman threw for 3421 yards last regular season with three games under 300 yards passing. I'm kind of surprised to see he never eclipsed 400 yards. He threw on average 36 times per game. 3701 yards when you add the bowl game.

Last year our Pyne and Buchner combined for 2672 yards including the bowl game averaging under 26 attempts per game. One 300 yard game in a loss to USC to finish the season.

I think 3000 yards is a reasonable baseline expectation - 250 per game. Probably gets half a dozen fewer attempts than at WF but a chunk more than our QBs put in the air last year. Better completion percentage and YPP bringing him somewhere in between the two stat lines for the year. I wouldn't be surprised if the low game is 250 and high over 400 with a 300 per game average but I wouldn't bet on it either.

This is a fair assessment.

I know better, BUT there are essentially 5 games on the schedule where he should be pretty much done with a days work by halftime, and that will eat many attempts also.


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[PutuporShutup]

This is a fair assessment.

I know better, BUT there are essentially 5 games on the schedule where he should be pretty much done with a days work by halftime, and that will eat many attempts also.


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I don't think there will be any game we are "essentially" done throwing the ball until after the 3rd quarter. Even if we're up 30 at half vs Navy, Tn State, and Central Mi, I think they will keep pushing the ball to really try and have the game over to allow for better reps for the 2/3's.

Last year, Boston College was the only game over after 3 quarters.

 

[NDohio]

Just so we are apples to apples. My projections are on 14 games .

I think ND would run a Georgia type offense, Stetson threw for 4100 yards in 15 games last year, and they ran the crap out of the ball. Bowers with 900 yards was their leading receiving, they spread the ball around a ton and to their rbs. Their rbs had like 6-700 yds receiving. I think and hope hartman/ND do that with getting a lot of people touches.

Georgia averaged per game pretty close to 300 yds passing and 200 yds rushing. I think and hope that's what ND is looking/able to do. Ohio State was pretty close to that as well.

Only 2 of the top 10 offenses last year did NOT throw for more than 3650 yds. Michigan at 3000 and UCLA at 3448.

Glad you are thinking 14 games. I was just using 3500 yards for the regular season.

The thing with Hartman is that he needs to be really, really good to great three times this season. If the rest of the year is carried by the O-Line and Estime, then ND will have a good to great year. I project it happening that way but will take either scenario...

My main issue was you stating that by not having Hartman as the offensive MVP I was discounting ND's chances of having a great year. I disagree...

 

[condoms SUCk]

But see, we look at this completely differently. If Hartman throws for 3500 yards this season then I think that something has gone terribly wrong. If that is the case then the defense has not been as good as we expect and/or the run game has fallen apart.

In my eyes, if Hartman is at 3500 yards then ND did not have a great season.

Really? Over a 12 game season 3500 yds is only 291.66 yds/per game. I think that is completely within the realm of possibility. Especcially if the run game is unstoppable and Hartman hits a handful of big plays (30+ yds). I want this offense to be a 500 yds per game/ 40+ pts per game. If ND can't do that with these RB's and this QB it will never happen.

 

[RDU Irish]

Really? Over a 12 game season 3500 yds is only 291.66 yds/per game. I think that is completely within the realm of possibility. Especcially if the run game is unstoppable and Hartman hits a handful of big plays (30+ yds). I want this offense to be a 500 yds per game/ 40+ pts per game. If ND can't do that with these RB's and this QB it will never happen.

I think what will pad stats is the need to air it out early in the season to develop the WR corp and try to find their ceiling. Why put the miles on Estime vs CMU, MTSU and Navy? Keep him fresh for NCST and OSU.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Glad you are thinking 14 games. I was just using 3500 yards for the regular season.

The thing with Hartman is that he needs to be really, really good to great three times this season. If the rest of the year is carried by the O-Line and Estime, then ND will have a good to great year. I project it happening that way but will take either scenario...

My main issue was you stating that by not having Hartman as the offensive MVP I was discounting ND's chances of having a great year. I disagree...

My point is more to need hartman to pass really well at minimum in 3 games I think he'll have to be really good for pretty much the entire season passing. I don't think it's something you can easily flip from all running, to pass heavy. I think we'll throw a good bit because we need to get our WRs going before NC state and especially before Ohio State. You don't want to go into Ohio state with the WRs and Hartman not clicking. Then you keep it goin all season.

The one aspect I think people are missing is tempo. I really really think and hope we run way more tempo this year, equating to more plays, much more points, and larger margin of victories. I think a realistic goal is to average 5 more plays per game on offense vs last year due to tempo. We had a descent amount of offensive plays last year because our drives took a lot of plays late in the games running the ball and scoring. Good thing at times