2022 Watch Party: BOWL SEASON

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This is what happens when you rank teams based entirely on resume, stats, or how "deserving" they are instead of how well they actually play and how you think they'd fare against other teams. TCU was never one of the best 4 teams in the country and hardly a single knowledgeable fan or analyst truly believed they were.

They won 13 games. I mean this was the final. They had to beat Michigan to get here, and did.

Why play the games otherwise? Just cancel all other games besides some sort of OSU, Bama and Georgia round robin.
 
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I said it all along, TCU is not an elite football team and had no business being in the playoff. They barely squeaked by a really bad Big 12 all year. I really, really dislike the SEC, but if I am being rational my final 5 would be...

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Tennessee
4. Michigan
5. Ohio St.
6. A big dropoff

I think those were clearly the top 5. Don't know if I would put TCU in the top 10, tbh. Yes, I know TCU beat UM, but I think UM was a few scores better.
 

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I said it all along, TCU is not an elite football team and had no business being in the playoff. They barely squeaked by a really bad Big 12 all year. I really, really dislike the SEC, but if I am being rational my final 5 would be...

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Tennessee
4. Michigan
5. Ohio St.
6. A big dropoff

I think those were clearly the top 5. Don't know if I would put TCU in the top 10, tbh. Yes, I know TCU beat UM, but I think UM was a few scores better.
UT wasn’t a legit team and TCU beat scUM,… screw them both. I saw UgA and everyone else this season
 

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Yeah Michigan was the definitive #2 team in the country pre playoff. They beat them. Really can’t do the revisionist history here.

They just don’t have the horses to play two straight physical football games. Recruiting matters.
Eh, Michigan didn't play anyone except OSU, which they match up well with. I was really looking forward to the playoffs because we could finally find out what Michigan was made of.
 

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Let’s just cancel the games then.
I get it. I was over the moon that TCU beat them. I am just talking about who I think the best teams were. Upsets happen. Was I bitter an overrated UM got such an easy playoff draw when we get generational teams? Absolutely. Especially when I always hear from UM fans about how ND didn't deserve to be there in their playoff years.
 

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All the advanced that’s that people love now had Michigan at #2, not just the voters. They were legitimately a great team this year.
 

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All the advanced that’s that people love now had Michigan at #2, not just the voters. They were legitimately a great team this year.
Hard to say that. My varsity team would look great against my 7th graders too. I think the semis proved Michigan was not GREAT. Top 5, likely. I think ND would have given them a game at the end of the year.
 

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Hard to say that. My varsity team would look great against my 7th graders too. I think the semis proved Michigan was not GREAT. Top 5, likely. I think ND would have given them a game at the end of the year.
This Michigan team dropped multiple games against our schedule,… fuck them
 

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Georgia is so significantly better than everyone else because they have elite talent, elite culture, and elite coaching. It takes all three.

OSU has elite talent and offensive coaching.

Alabama has mostly that but not to the same degree anymore.

The thing people writing off with TCU is they usually out coached the opponent. Both coordinators outcoached Michigan’s OC/DC. They couldn’t do that versus UGA.

Tennessee is a complete gimmick and will never get past UGA. UGA can line up man to man with them and defend the run with 3 or 4. Completely throws their offense out the window.
 

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Georgia is so significantly better than everyone else because they have elite talent, elite culture, and elite coaching. It takes all three.

OSU has elite talent and offensive coaching.

Alabama has mostly that but not to the same degree anymore.

The thing people writing off with TCU is they usually out coached the opponent. Both coordinators outcoached Michigan’s OC/DC. They couldn’t do that versus UGA.

Tennessee is a complete gimmick and will never get past UGA. UGA can line up man to man with them and defend the run with 3 or 4. Completely throws their offense out the window.
Writing off Bama and OSU seems pretty premature. If OSU's kicker doesn't shank it, they beat UGA. Bama lost 2 games by a combined 4 points.
 

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Writing off Bama and OSU seems pretty premature. If OSU's kicker doesn't shank it, they beat UGA. Bama lost 2 games by a combined 4 points.

How can it be premature? The season is over.
 

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I’m so tired of hearing how great UT was this season b/c they finally eked out a win over Bama after one million consecutive losses to the Tide. They put up zero fight vs UGA & got boat raced by Spencer Rattler & the Cocks.
Well, they played UGA a whole lot tougher than TCU did, therefore I would have them at 3. They also looked good against Clemson. They did have a bad game against SC, but I think they would beat UM and OSU.
 

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This is what happens when you rank teams based entirely on resume, stats, or how "deserving" they are instead of how well they actually play and how you think they'd fare against other teams. TCU was never one of the best 4 teams in the country and hardly a single knowledgeable fan or analyst truly believed they were.
Agreed but if we just went by recruiting rankings & recent success, why even play the games? Just put OSU/UGA/Bama/Clemson in the final four before the season starts. Teams shouldn’t be allowed to lose multiple games with zero impressive wins and then claim they‘re still the best team in the nation.
 

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I said it all along, TCU is not an elite football team and had no business being in the playoff. They barely squeaked by a really bad Big 12 all year. I really, really dislike the SEC, but if I am being rational my final 5 would be...

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Tennessee
4. Michigan
5. Ohio St.
6. A big dropoff

I think those were clearly the top 5. Don't know if I would put TCU in the top 10, tbh. Yes, I know TCU beat UM, but I think UM was a few scores better.
Really went out on a limb predicting TCU wouldn't win this one.
 

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Well, they played UGA a whole lot tougher than TCU did, therefore I would have them at 3. They also looked good against Clemson. They did have a bad game against SC, but I think they would beat UM and OSU.
No doubt on your first statement but you could say that about a lot of teams. You think they’d beat OSU after Georgia survived a last second missed FG? Georgia was never in doubt of losing to UT. Clemson? Hell, ND looked great against Clemson…LOL. Vols “bad game“ was against an 8-5 So Carolina while OSU’s “bad game” was against 13-1 CFP semi-finalist scUM. I‘m no OSU fan by a stretch but I’d take them all day vs the Vols.
 

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Fans need to remember that champions win their clunkers. You can’t drop one or two bad losses and claim your’e one of the best in the country. Win your clunkers.
 

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Except TCU did deserve to be in the playoff. Alabama lost to the only two good teams they played all year, UT got boatraced by a mediocre South Carolina team, Clemson sucked, and USC choked their shot to get in.

The reality is that this season had one great team in the middle of an all-time program run and a bunch of decent teams fighting for 2nd place.
 

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Agreed but if we just went by recruiting rankings & recent success, why even play the games? Just put OSU/UGA/Bama/Clemson in the final four before the season starts. Teams shouldn’t be allowed to lose multiple games with zero impressive wins and then claim they‘re still the best team in the nation.
Who said anything about ranking teams based on recruiting rankings or recent success? That (and returning talent) is only good as a starting point for preseason polls. My point is that resume, stats, and being deserving are a very poor substitute for watching teams play and intelligently and knowledgeably assessing them based on how they perform. Resume and stats are just a small part of that. The rest is knowing enough about the game to be able to look at a team play and accurately determine how they'd likely perform against other teams.

Nearly 60 years ago, there was an episode of The Beverly Hillbillies in which Jed went to a horse track. He consistently picked the winner in every race despite frequently going against the advice of the "experts" and the stats. He'd later explain that he didn't need a racing guide or any stats because he could look at the horses and just tell by watching them which ones could actually run. That's what I'm talking about. Some people can watch the teams play and know. Most can't. They get totally hung up on resumes and stats and where a team "deserves" to be ranked. This is why you end up with a TCU or Cincinatti or other "deserving" team in the playoffs instead of one of the less shiny resume teams who'd beat the crap out of them.
 

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This would have been a perfect year for a BCS Championship 1 v 2 matchup. Going into the playoff, UGA was not miles ahead of Michigan in the advanced stats, and the line likely would have been UGA -7 or something to that effect.
 

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Except TCU did deserve to be in the playoff. Alabama lost to the only two good teams they played all year, UT got boatraced by a mediocre South Carolina team, Clemson sucked, and USC choked their shot to get in.

The reality is that this season had one great team in the middle of an all-time program run and a bunch of decent teams fighting for 2nd place.
I strongly agree with most of this. I think my guys would beat TCU 9 times out of 10, but I didn't really want to make the playoffs this year. We came up short in a couple of critical moments and weren't a championship caliber team. I don't know who the four best teams were, but I don't think TCU was one of them. This was just Georgia's year and, as you point out, they were probably a level or two above everyone else.
 

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I said it all along, TCU is not an elite football team and had no business being in the playoff. They barely squeaked by a really bad Big 12 all year. I really, really dislike the SEC, but if I am being rational my final 5 would be...

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Tennessee
4. Michigan
5. Ohio St.
6. A big dropoff

I think those were clearly the top 5. Don't know if I would put TCU in the top 10, tbh. Yes, I know TCU beat UM, but I think UM was a few scores better.
They probably should have beaten TCU if they were a few scores better, huh?
 
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