2022 - State of the Recruiting Class thread

[phillyirish]

I really hope they send a couple different QB offers out...

Really think we should be looking at taking two QB's next year. With only 3 QB's on the roster, things can get critical real fast with a transfer or injury.

With Buckner being an EE, I'm guessing after spring practices we could see more offers going out once the coaches know exactly what were dealing with in terms of the position.

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

Just to recap the outstanding suggestion Crus has for the OL and other recent predictions:

Zach Rice - no recent FCs or CBs
#19 OA Comp, #11 OA on rivals, #12 OA on 247
Listed his top 8 on 11/14/20 - ND, Ohio St, UNC, Miami, Florida, Oklahoma, LSU, Virginia
General consensus is ND has tons of momentum. Was a visitor for the UNC game, then spoke highly of ND.

Billy Schrauth - Mason Plummer with the FC on 12/1. Previously 3 FCs for ND included Singer and Farrell occurred in July/August, Wisconsin has 2 from January, April. Loy's CB on 7/29 was after the latest prediction for Wisconsin by their insider on 7/20.
#153 OA Comp, #104 OA on rivals, #146 OA on 247
Listed his top 4 on 10/16/20 - ND, Wisconsin, Ohio St, scUM
Been quiet publicly after quick excited quotes after the Clemson Win, ND almost closed in the summer, maybe swinging back that way

Ty Chan - Loy CB and Plummer FC on 12/1. Previously Singer FC on 11/2 and our boy EJ Holland put in ND on 11/12.
#175 OA Comp, #176 OA on rivals, #230 OA on 247
Seems like a matter of time for ND

Jake Taylor - Singer FC yesterday, 12/3. Previous Blair Angulo CB 11/16.
#282 OA Comp, NR OA on rivals (#33 OT), #241 OA 247
Recent Oklahoma visit last weekend, Singer must have gotten word it didn't move the needle.

Recent Offers by ND
#52 OA Comp, #5 OT Will Campbell, Louisiana, on 12/1 - heavy LSU lean
#120 OA Comp, #11 OT Aamil Wagner, Ohio, on 11/20 - Fan FC has UK out front, Cats are "warm" on 247, no FCs or CBs. Some serious connections to ND. His head coach was Mickens HC, and he also played at Cincinnati, where Mickens played and coached. BK also with Cincinnati background.

Not to mention the current commit, Joey Tanona, #139 OA comp, #15 OT.

Options are good between Tanona, Schrauth and maybe Taylor at G. Rice, Chan, Wagner, and maybe Taylor at T. 3 Tackles would be a big get in this class, especially if it includes Rice.

Won't take all 7, of course, and Campbell seems like the least likely option. Of the other top 6, depending on which, ND looking solid for 4/5.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Just to recap the outstanding suggestion Crus has for the OL and other recent predictions:

Zach Rice - no recent FCs or CBs
#19 OA Comp, #11 OA on rivals, #12 OA on 247
Listed his top 8 on 11/14/20 - ND, Ohio St, UNC, Miami, Florida, Oklahoma, LSU, Virginia
General consensus is ND has tons of momentum. Was a visitor for the UNC game, then spoke highly of ND.

Billy Schrauth - Mason Plummer with the FC on 12/1. Previously 3 FCs for ND included Singer and Farrell occurred in July/August, Wisconsin has 2 from January, April. Loy's CB on 7/29 was after the latest prediction for Wisconsin by their insider on 7/20.
#153 OA Comp, #104 OA on rivals, #146 OA on 247
Listed his top 4 on 10/16/20 - ND, Wisconsin, Ohio St, scUM
Been quiet publicly after quick excited quotes after the Clemson Win, ND almost closed in the summer, maybe swinging back that way

Ty Chan - Loy CB and Plummer FC on 12/1. Previously Singer FC on 11/2 and our boy EJ Holland put in ND on 11/12.
#175 OA Comp, #176 OA on rivals, #230 OA on 247
Seems like a matter of time for ND

Jake Taylor - Singer FC yesterday, 12/3. Previous Blair Angulo CB 11/16.
#282 OA Comp, NR OA on rivals (#33 OT), #241 OA 247
Recent Oklahoma visit last weekend, Singer must have gotten word it didn't move the needle.

Recent Offers by ND
#52 OA Comp, #5 OT Will Campbell, Louisiana, on 12/1 - heavy LSU lean
#120 OA Comp, #11 OT Aamil Wagner, Ohio, on 11/20 - Fan FC has UK out front, Cats are "warm" on 247, no FCs or CBs. Some serious connections to ND. His head coach was Mickens HC, and he also played at Cincinnati, where Mickens played and coached. BK also with Cincinnati background.

Not to mention the current commit, Joey Tanona, #139 OA comp, #15 OT.

Options are good between Tanona, Schrauth and maybe Taylor at G. Rice, Chan, Wagner, and maybe Taylor T. 3 Tackles would be a big get in this class, especially if it includes Rice.

Won't take all 7, of course, and Campbell seems like the least likely option. Of the other top 6, depending on which, ND looking solid for 4/5.

Matt Freeman of ISD predicted Zach Rice to ND FWIW

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

Matt Freeman of ISD predicted Zach Rice to ND FWIW

Yea I didn’t include any ISD predictions (ESPN and Lemming don’t make predictions either, right?).

I’ve been a fan of ISD since the start of the internet. I like the guys a lot along with their commentary, but seldom check their separate rankings (like Rice’s 3star, 88 grade, ESPN has him as #78 OA, 4star, #12 OT) or predictions. For those that care, in addition to Rice to ND on 12/1, Freeman predicted Schrauth to ND on 7/29 around when everyone else did.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

How many tackles can ND take in this class? Chan, Taylor, and Rice possible?

 

[rtrn2glory]

very easy to move tackles inside so the more the merrier.

 

[BobbyMac]

How many tackles can ND take in this class? Chan, Taylor, and Rice possible?

Add Aamil Wagner who is the only possibility I see in the class who's Guardproof.

Obviously, someone's gonna play OT after Baker and Alt become millionaires but ya never know who'll start/end where. Patterson's OT film was excellent and he ended up at OC out of need.

 

[Luckylucci]

very easy to move tackles inside so the more the merrier.

Agreed. We have plenty of options at OG with Coogan and Spindler. With Fisher and Johnson being swing guys. I'd say, add guys that you think can play tackle and if not, move them inside.

Gotta find the 1st round tackles and the only way to do so, is to get them on campus and find out.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

OTs are almost like SS in baseball. Generally the best athletes on the line. Thus like shortstops, they get moved around the most. I am all for grabbing the most athletic/meanest dudes on the block and let the chips fall.

 

[Luckylucci]

Here is some June fire from Singer.

Five Bold Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football Recruiting Predictions For This Summer (rivals.com)

He puts the over/under on '23 commits by the end of July at 3.5. While also speculating that June is going to be a HUGE month for '22 recruiting.

 

[greyhammer90]

Here is some June fire from Singer.

Five Bold Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football Recruiting Predictions For This Summer (rivals.com)

He puts the over/under on '23 commits by the end of July at 3.5. While also speculating that June is going to be a HUGE month for '22 recruiting.

I read over/under 3.5 and thought "meh" before I realized you wrote for the '23 class. That's nuts.

 

[Luckylucci]

I read over/under 3.5 and thought "meh" before I realized you wrote for the '23 class. That's nuts.

Right! It is a bold prediction article but he's mentioned expecting 3 commits in June/July before. If we combined the over/under estimates for both '22 and '23 classes, that's expecting 10+ commits between now and the end of July. Should be a fun summer.

 

[BobbyMac]

Right! It is a bold prediction article but he's mentioned expecting 3 commits in June/July before. If we combined the over/under estimates for both '22 and '23 classes, that's expecting 10+ commits between now and the end of July. Should be a fun summer.

Did you say 10 commits ???

 

[Luckylucci]

ISD Predictions: June Recruiting | Irish Sports Daily

Premium article from ISD about their expectations for commitments between now and Aug. 1st. They had put this out before but not with details as it relates to each prospect. Great read for those that have ISD, will definitely get the crootin juices flowing for this summer.

One interesting note that I'd make is apparently Stanford is now accepting OV's. Previously I had noted that Stanford wasn't going to host any OV's and that could help us with Merriweather and Moore. Turns out they changed that up and scheduled OV's with both of them. It doesn't sound like there is much concern inside the Gug but something to note.

 

[Luckylucci]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football Recruits Make Moves In Latest Rivals 2022 Rankings

I'll drop this here and then the individual updates will make their way to their respective threads.

Zach Rice #19 overall (overrated now that I've seen more)

CJ Williams #29 overall (Surprised he stayed there)

Jaylen Sneed move up 17 spots to #49 overall (I think that's about right)

Xavier Nwankpa moved up 49 spots to #35 overall

Andre Green went from outside 250 to #85 overall

Tyson Ford moved down 21 spots to #91 overall

Anthony Lucas went from outside top 250 to #149 overall (I think that's too low but 247 is too high. I'd have both him and Ford in the 50-100 range)

Joey Tanona moved up 14 spots to #187

Ty Chan moved up 18 spots to #191

Aiden Gobaira moved from a 3 star to 4 star and #249 overall. (What a laughable update for him. Especially considering the below.)

Ernest Cooper moved from a 3 star to 4 star and #164 overall.

 

[Luckylucci]

So, I thought I'd put together a general update on consensus timelines for all the OV's from last weekend. I'll say that while I do think the staff did a fantastic job with the weekend, I do think expectations for timelines might have been a little optimistic in some cases. Or, maybe misread to some degree.

Anthony Lucas. A long time, lol. He's got 3 more OV's to take and "several" unofficial visits before a decision. He's always kicked around the idea of announcing at an AA game and maybe that is where this is trending. Either way, this isn't getting done this summer. It'll be interesting to see if ND needs to get him back for an unofficial in the Fall. Good news, he'll have used all his OV's so we shouldn't be at a disadvantage there.

Tobias Merriweather. I think the staff was hopeful he and Lucas were closer to the end than the beginning and that doesn't seem to be the case. While it doesn't seem like Tobias is as set on taking this thing the distance, they are still considering Fall visits. He only has one other OV scheduled and that is to Stanford later this month. Bad news on this one is, he'll have 3 OV's left to schedule if he indeed takes this into the Fall.

Devin Moore. End of June or a couple weeks. He heads to Stanford next and then mentioned wanting to "lock in his spot". I think this is all very good for ND but I do think the staff was optimistic they'd be able to get him to shut it down before the Stanford OV. It may not matter in the end but you never know what's going to happen as more visits take place.

Benjamin Morrison. End of June. He has a Washington OV scheduled and then a decision after that. I think the staff was also optimistic they could get him in the boat now and cancel that OV. I don't think this ultimately changes those recruitments and it seem like the overwhelming trend amongst a lot of recruits is they are really enjoying being able to go on visits. And, want to make the most of them. But, I do think the staff had a goal and they weren't able to get that achieved in the very short term. It may not matter.

Dallan Hayden. End of June. Will visit OSU and then go into decision mode. All signs point to ND doing a very good job with him but did they do enough to overtake the Buckeyes with a Buckeye OV left to go? Consider me doubtful.

JR. Soon, maybe this week or his fathers bday, June 19th. Signed, sealed and delivered. ND did exactly what they needed to do. We should be getting good news.

Billy Schrauth. Soon, mabye this week. Cancelling his OSU OV. Will decided between Wiscy and ND. I'm with Crus in that I don't think this as close as 247 is making folks believe. We'll soon find out. Cancelling his OSU OV sounds to me like he gave a commitment to the staff and they said committed guys don't take visits. And, he said ok, lol.

Jake Pope. End of June or after his last OV's. He still has OV's to Bama and OSU to take. I think this is one where it went even better than expected. But, again, they aren't getting him to shut it down. At least not yet.



So, while overall I think the staff did a great job, I do believe they might have missed on their own expectations. We know that they wanted to get one or both of the DB's on board. And I think they were hopeful Lucas and Merriweather were closer to decisions. None of this has to matter but it certainly could for a couple different reasons.

1. If some of these guys stretch their recruitments out beyond previous expectations then ND might have to get them back on campus in an unofficial capacity.

2. They made some tough choices in narrowing the board at DB recently. Now they may have to make some tough choices on who to take. If Morrison isn't ready to decide by the time Nikai Martinez takes his visit, what do you do? This is just one example but if that happens with 3 or 4 guys then you have a problem. We'll see if it matters.

 

[NDBoiler]

Who is JR?

 

[Dale]

I do think expectations for timelines might have been a little optimistic in some cases. Or, maybe misread to some degree

Weird I thought it was super obvious what the proper expectations for June were.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Who is JR?

Tuihalamaka

 

[Luckylucci]

Weird I thought it was super obvious what the proper expectations for June were.

You think about me way too much. At first I was flattered and now it's getting creepy.

I aggregate info from sites that do the same from their sources (members of the staff, recruits, and recruits family/friends). When every reporter at ISD says Merriweather is a realistic short term option, that seems obvious. So, I say as much. On Friday, Loy called Morrison the best bet to commit this weekend. Singer says as much, again it's obvious.

Expectations were very clear going in and they may have changed. Or maybe they didn't. Either way that's not an L on me. It's cute you think it is though.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Anything on Freely?
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/keon_keeley/status/1403794894376914952[/TWEET]

 

[Luckylucci]

I haven't seen anything that changes his timeline. It sounds like the visit was a huge success and he'll be a top of board target going forward.

 

[SoIll]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...llan-Hayden-Jake-Pope-Sonny-Styles-166541741/

styles, hayden

 

[Dale]

You think about me way too much. At first I was flattered and now it's getting creepy.

I aggregate info from sites that do the same from their sources (members of the staff, recruits, and recruits family/friends). When every reporter at ISD says Merriweather is a realistic short term option, that seems obvious. So, I say as much. On Friday, Loy called Morrison the best bet to commit this weekend. Singer says as much, again it's obvious.

Expectations were very clear going in and they may have changed. Or maybe they didn't. Either way that's not an L on me. It's cute you think it is though.

Not really. I just hope others here realize much of the “info” you bring here you spin your narrative on it and are frankly, wrong sometimes.

it’s a message board, I’ll be glad to play the annoying poster. apparently you don’t love the push back from everyone trust Lucci on everything though.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not really. I just hope others here realize much of the “info” you bring here you spin your narrative on it and are frankly, wrong sometimes.

Yet when asked in Dorman's thread what reports I got wrong, you said...nothing.

On the narrative spinning, not in the slightest. You misquoted a prospect and got mad I call you out on it. That is narrative spinning. Funny how that prospect isn't even on the board anymore.

With regards to expectations, I specifically cited, in my weekly recruiting review, the article from ISD that had Merriweather and Singleton (just two of the examples) as best bets in the class by August 1st. If every writer at a well respected ND paid site says the same thing, then it's obvious they are getting some info that we should take notice of. So, I posted it as such. That is the opposite of narrative spinning. Heck, I even mentioned I was surprised by it, lol.

You are a valued member of the board and we appreciate your engagement beyond chasing me around in various threads.

 

[Luckylucci]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...llan-Hayden-Jake-Pope-Sonny-Styles-166541741/

styles, hayden

Gosh, I want too but I just can't. He took his OSU unofficial in an Zeke Elliot jersey. I mean, how shocked would we be if a QB showed up rocking a Brady Quinn jersey and didn't sign with us.

 

[Dale]

Yet when asked in Dorman's thread what reports I got wrong, you said...nothing.

On the narrative spinning, not in the slightest. You misquoted a prospect and got mad I call you out on it. That is narrative spinning. Funny how that prospect isn't even on the board anymore.

With regards to expectations, I specifically cited, in my weekly recruiting review, the article from ISD that had Merriweather and Singleton (just two of the examples) as best bets in the class by August 1st. If every writer at a well respected ND paid site says the same thing, then it's obvious they are getting some info that we should take notice of. So, I posted it as such. That is the opposite of narrative spinning. Heck, I even mentioned I was surprised by it, lol.

You are a valued member of the board and we appreciate your engagement beyond chasing me around in various threads.

I was in the middle of nowhere Virginia for the last couple days and didn’t see the Dorman thread when I came back lol. So I think about you too much but you come back with all these instances you’re got in the back of your head lol.

The difference is you’re a trusted source of info and act like you can’t ever be wrong. You can read a premium report and take an opinion off of it, you do it all the time and might not even realize it. If I’m wrong I don’t moderate this site and assume that responsibility. I’ll keep digging at ya as long as I keep sensing some BS coming though, everyone loves a good feud though right? I mean this site is incredibly boring as just everyone read what Lucci rips from his subscriptions.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Gosh, I want too but I just can't. He took his OSU unofficial in an Zeke Elliot jersey. I mean, how shocked would we be if a QB showed up rocking a Brady Quinn jersey and didn't sign with us.

Blake had a golf bag. Does that count?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NDfootball4ever/status/1404513921277386752[/TWEET]

 

[Luckylucci]

I was in the middle of nowhere Virginia for the last couple days and didn’t see the Dorman thread when I came back lol. So I think about you too much but you come back with all these instances you’re got in the back of your head lol.

The difference is you’re a trusted source of info and act like you can’t ever be wrong. You can read a premium report and take an opinion off of it, you do it all the time and might not even realize it. If I’m wrong I don’t moderate this site and assume that responsibility. I’ll keep digging at ya as long as I keep sensing some BS coming though, everyone loves a good feud though right?

Dude, you're a trip. You reached out to me via PM. Then you came back from a trip and one of your first few posts was about me. Note, I didn't post about you one time while you were gone. Note, I didn't reach out to you via PM. I'm sorry but you do not register on my give a fuck meter. There is narrative spinning and a delusional world you live in.

This actually is narrative spinning. I never said I can't be wrong. But, I can't be wrong if I report everyone is super optimistic about the weekend and the weekend doesn't turn out to be quite as good. That's not me being wrong. That's not an opinion. All those places literally stated those things, haha. You are just making shit up as you go.

Thank you for being a groupie.