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Messed around with 247's class calculator, which is always a dangerous exercise lol.

Added a 'best-case scenario based on current interest and pursuits' group to the current class. It came out with 24 commits, rated at a 282 I think, which would be good for anywhere from #6-#9 classes over the past few years.

Here's what it looked like:

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Messed around with 247's class calculator, which is always a dangerous exercise lol.

Added a 'best-case scenario based on current interest and pursuits' group to the current class. It came out with 24 commits, rated at a 282 I think, which would be good for anywhere from #6-#9 classes over the past few years.

Here's what it looked like:


I know this is only hypothetical, but only 3 OL. Not like ND at all.
 

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I know this is only hypothetical, but only 3 OL. Not like ND at all.

I thought about that, but I think Rice and Wagner are both long-shots right now, and didn't feel confident enough in anybody else to add a fourth guy.
 

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I thought about that, but I think Rice and Wagner are both long-shots right now, and didn't feel confident enough in anybody else to add a fourth guy.

Heinzman? Tobias M?

Understand not adding Singleton or Sawchuck but I really hope the visits help us surge into the lead with some unexpected prospects. I'm almost positive we'll add a 4th OL
 

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Hinzman, Brunner, Wagner and Taylor are all visiting in June. I don’t think we lead for any of them but I think we’re top 2 or 3 for all of these dudes and you never know with OV’s. I’m hoping we get a 4th from that and if not have George Fitzpatrick come back for a visit. Rice I think is a long shot and may not even get a visit from him but overall Quinn has done a fantastic job at recruiting this cycle. Plus, 3 commits would put ND at 16 schollies for next cycle. So the numbers would be fine to the point we wouldn’t need to drop down in talent for a 4th. Great position to be in.
 

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Hinzman, Brunner, Wagner and Taylor are all visiting in June. I don’t think we lead for any of them but I think we’re top 2 or 3 for all of these dudes and you never know with OV’s. I’m hoping we get a 4th from that and if not have George Fitzpatrick come back for a visit. Rice I think is a long shot and may not even get a visit from him but overall Quinn has done a fantastic job at recruiting this cycle. Plus, 3 commits would put ND at 16 schollies for next cycle. So the numbers would be fine to the point we wouldn’t need to drop down in talent for a 4th. Great position to be in.

I expect we're going to see some attrition on the OL. I don't speculate on names but I just don't see all these guys waiting around for next year when next year could be more of the same. Too many guys that would be starters elsewhere that might not be here.

Also, it previously looked like we needed another OT in this class. And that could still be the case but the need looks less with Fisher and Carmody at OT. Right now we have 4 guys that have a lot of eligibility and can play OT. Baker, Fisher, Carmody, and Alt. They might need to take both Schrauth and Hinzman in this class.
 

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Do we not have a thread for NJ DB Jayden Bellamy?

I can't seem to find it. Anyways, he's blowing up right now. OSU, LSU, FSU, and Clemson offers. Started this process as the teammate to Angeli and Gould. Now he's the only guy those schools want, lol.
 

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Do we not have a thread for NJ DB Jayden Bellamy?

I can't seem to find it. Anyways, he's blowing up right now. OSU, LSU, FSU, and Clemson offers. Started this process as the teammate to Angeli and Gould. Now he's the only guy those schools want, lol.

Someone might have to go through and see how many guys on our offer list got a Clemson or Alabama offer after us. The number feels high. Credit to Freeman, Elston, Lea even etc. Don’t want to bring up he ghosts of Drew Allar but D scouting has seemingly been ahead of the game
 

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Do we not have a thread for NJ DB Jayden Bellamy?

I can't seem to find it. Anyways, he's blowing up right now. OSU, LSU, FSU, and Clemson offers. Started this process as the teammate to Angeli and Gould. Now he's the only guy those schools want, lol.

His tape didn't blow people away unless you paid close attention. Made a similar comment at ISD about how his play where he blazes by the entire field of players covering 100+ yards just to get the final necessary block for his teammate to take a fumble to the house. It's a play that is nothing but hustle, attitude, and speed. I found it really impressive and Mike Frank agreed saying something along the lines of the ISD staff talking about how often do you see a highlight that the player involved never touches the ball but you're still just as impressed.

Play was kind of like Metcalf's catching of Minkah that had everyone impressed.

Anyways, Bellamy is maybe less polished at the moment, but his athleticism looks legit.
 

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Messed around with 247's class calculator, which is always a dangerous exercise lol.

Added a 'best-case scenario based on current interest and pursuits' group to the current class. It came out with 24 commits, rated at a 282 I think, which would be good for anywhere from #6-#9 classes over the past few years.

Here's what it looked like:


Some of the guys on this list are criminally underrated atm.
 

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Some of the guys on this list are criminally underrated atm.

Also looking at the list, based on the guys we KNOW ND leads for... it's crazy that Sneed and JR are both (1) rated so highly and (2) the guys we feel so confident about. A real tribute to Freeman and the way he recruits.

It's also an indictment of offensive skill player recruiting in this class, IMO. Price is good... but there's only one (!) skill guy rated higher than him based on my current best-case-scenario list, and that's CJ Williams, who I don't even feel confident about.

The offensive recruiting staff as a whole, and not just Del Alexander, needs to get their shit in gear and get on some WR's.
 

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Also looking at the list, based on the guys we KNOW ND leads for... it's crazy that Sneed and JR are both (1) rated so highly and (2) the guys we feel so confident about. A real tribute to Freeman and the way he recruits.

It's also an indictment of offensive skill player recruiting in this class, IMO. Price is good... but there's only one (!) skill guy rated higher than him based on my current best-case-scenario list, and that's CJ Williams, who I don't even feel confident about.

The offensive recruiting staff as a whole, and not just Del Alexander, needs to get their shit in gear and get on some WR's.

I'm not there with ya Lion, on this one. At least not yet.

I was fairly critical of their handling of the QB recruiting so that's a known delta for me but I think we gotta give them some time here to get these guys on campus or for the ratings agencies to update their rankings.

I'll start with, I think it's a little misleading to say that is the best case scenario list. Merriweather's recruitment started as a top 2 of ND and Stanford. And he's coming on an OV in June so we'll see where it's at, at that time. I realize he's not talked about much but this is a young man that when his mother said he could take a trip (pre-covid) to a college campus, they chose ND in 2019. In February he gave an interview with Rivals about how he talks with Del daily. We continue to hear about Andre Greene's interest in ND. Nicholas Anderson is a 4 star WR from TX also coming on an OV. And Taylor Groves is a 4 star WR with interest in ND since his de-commitment from SCUM. Though he might want to play DB in college. So, the board at WR is a little more than what folks might realize. Plus, we'll still get a crack at all the top 3 RB's for OV's. Would it be the first time we made some surprise noise with OV's. Ring, ring, ring, Jordan Johnson is on line 1.

But, let's say none of that materializes, and we consider someone else's ratings like Jamie U (who gave out these ratings before some of them were commits). He has Angeli as a 92, Price 93, Williams 94, Raridon 90, and Staes a 91. That takes into account the services overrating Williams and underrating Price, pretty fair trade if you ask me.

Is that group elite? No. Is it in need of getting it's shit together? I don't think so. That language makes me think someone is close to getting fired and I don't see that at all. Heck, that group is probably in the top 10-12 nationally. If you add Merriweather or Greene then it's easily a top 10, probably better. A combo of Williams and Merriweather is probably top 5 WR combos in the country.

Lastly, I also think using that list for comparative analysis like above can be troublesome. I mean, Angeli is rated higher than Gobaira and Devin Moore the same as Donovan Hinish. That's the kind of stuff that makes the brain hurt, lol. I'd like to see more updates, film, and visits before I get too worked up.
 

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Offered S Kye Stokes.

Since April 20th, has gotten offers from Alabama, Georgia, Miami, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Notre Dame and Tennessee

Alabama was first and he had visited that weekend so not sure if everyone is just pouncing after seeing that Bama offer or what
 

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Didn’t make Terrance Brooks top 5. Somewhat surprising as he was very close to setting up an OV for June. In fact, Loy already had him penciled in.
 

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I'm not there with ya Lion, on this one. At least not yet.

I was fairly critical of their handling of the QB recruiting so that's a known delta for me but I think we gotta give them some time here to get these guys on campus or for the ratings agencies to update their rankings.

I'll start with, I think it's a little misleading to say that is the best case scenario list. Merriweather's recruitment started as a top 2 of ND and Stanford. And he's coming on an OV in June so we'll see where it's at, at that time. I realize he's not talked about much but this is a young man that when his mother said he could take a trip (pre-covid) to a college campus, they chose ND in 2019. In February he gave an interview with Rivals about how he talks with Del daily. We continue to hear about Andre Greene's interest in ND. Nicholas Anderson is a 4 star WR from TX also coming on an OV. And Taylor Groves is a 4 star WR with interest in ND since his de-commitment from SCUM. Though he might want to play DB in college. So, the board at WR is a little more than what folks might realize. Plus, we'll still get a crack at all the top 3 RB's for OV's. Would it be the first time we made some surprise noise with OV's. Ring, ring, ring, Jordan Johnson is on line 1.

But, let's say none of that materializes, and we consider someone else's ratings like Jamie U (who gave out these ratings before some of them were commits). He has Angeli as a 92, Price 93, Williams 94, Raridon 90, and Staes a 91. That takes into account the services overrating Williams and underrating Price, pretty fair trade if you ask me.

Is that group elite? No. Is it in need of getting it's shit together? I don't think so. That language makes me think someone is close to getting fired and I don't see that at all. Heck, that group is probably in the top 10-12 nationally. If you add Merriweather or Greene then it's easily a top 10, probably better. A combo of Williams and Merriweather is probably top 5 WR combos in the country.

Lastly, I also think using that list for comparative analysis like above can be troublesome. I mean, Angeli is rated higher than Gobaira and Devin Moore the same as Donovan Hinish. That's the kind of stuff that makes the brain hurt, lol. I'd like to see more updates, film, and visits before I get too worked up.

That could get you fired if Saban was your boss! lol
 

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This will be one to track. Don't know much about the young man other than his film but this was one I thought ND should take a look at. Possibly even be a 2nd QB in the class.

Four-star QB Tayven Jackson commits to Tennessee (247sports.com)

Plenty of physical talent. There were a couple of workout tweets that really popped for me but he has a real mixed bag of evals and the fact that Allen or Brohm didn't go all out for him made me think THAT's why he's looking down south.

Would be a great year to pick up a second QB... as far as qualtiy guys who would say yes.
 

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Williams has a commitment date of Sept. 7th, his mother's Bday. So, I'm sure that's why he was left off. Remember this is just who's committed on Aug. 1st. And out of respect to ISD I wasn't going to list everyone. Just a few of the heavy hitters.
 

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Williams has a commitment date of Sept. 7th, his mother's Bday. So, I'm sure that's why he was left off. Remember this is just who's committed on Aug. 1st. And out of respect to ISD I wasn't going to list everyone. Just a few of the heavy hitters.

Gotcha, didn't realize until recently how well we're sitting with him and then not seeing his name, threw me off.
 

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Williams has a commitment date of Sept. 7th, his mother's Bday. So, I'm sure that's why he was left off. Remember this is just who's committed on Aug. 1st. And out of respect to ISD I wasn't going to list everyone. Just a few of the heavy hitters.

I know I’m being a little lazy here, but is Moore the kid committed to Ohio State? If not, who is he?
 

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I know I’m being a little lazy here, but is Moore the kid committed to Ohio State? If not, who is he?

No, that's Jyaire Brown and we're not in a very good spot with him at the present. It's FL DB Devin Moore. He's a low ranked stud that the staff is super high on. Bama offer
 

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The Rocky Mountain Hayseed? 6-2/195 Could he stay at Safety?

Should we have been a bit more curious about him? 10.7/100M is no joke.

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