2021-2022 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

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Nice pick up. I think he’s, at a minimum, ahead of wertz in the rotation.
Team is guard heavy. Need a big who can play in the paint
 

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Elijah Taylor hit the portal today. Tough loss considering our lack of big men.

Maybe a signal that we’re getting someone?
 

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Ouch. Need another big man. Not enamored with Nate’s game but going with the tandem of Zona and Campbell looks like a death wish unless Campbell is a lot better than his ratings
 

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Ouch. Need another big man. Not enamored with Nate’s game but going with the tandem of Zona and Campbell looks like a death wish unless Campbell is a lot better than his ratings
I thought Nate came along pretty well towards the end of last szn after he got healthy. He was pretty damn good down the stretch for us.
 

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Need FUND to get Nate a low 6 figure deal. More than he’d get in the G league and enough to not have him dip his toes in Europe.
 

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He’s reportedly already hired an agent so he is not returning .

One of the guys on II said this, but it turned out to be incorrect and he's hired an advisor which still allows him to return.

Idk if it would be smart for him to return. He's got an ND degree and will easily be making 150K+ tax free in Europe if he wants. He will never be an NBA player so what will he really be returning for?
 

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One of the guys on II said this, but it turned out to be incorrect and he's hired an advisor which still allows him to return.

Idk if it would be smart for him to return. He's got an ND degree and will easily be making 150K+ tax free in Europe if he wants. He will never be an NBA player so what will he really be returning for?
Not to mention he's basically the same player he was two years ago. Improved a little as a defensive rebounder but really isn't going to make any money anywhere besides Europe and another year at ND won't change that.
So a return only makes sense if its for academic reasons, like a free MBA.
 

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One of the guys on II said this, but it turned out to be incorrect and he's hired an advisor which still allows him to return.

Idk if it would be smart for him to return. He's got an ND degree and will easily be making 150K+ tax free in Europe if he wants. He will never be an NBA player so what will he really be returning for?
Maybe I'm overselling it for my own sake, holding out hope he will return, but $150k a year for 5-10 years isn't going to sustain you for life, so why not get two free semesters of grad school?

If he is only interested in playing in Europe idk why he wouldn't just hire an agent and announce he's gone already. It seems to me like he's (realistically or not) testing the NBA/G-League waters before making an informed decision.

I don't agree that Nate "is the same player he was two years ago." I think he's improved on both sides of the floor, especially shooting from the FT line and behind the arc. Two years ago he was shooting a measly 31% from 3, and he was well above 40% the past two seasons.

His stat line was pretty consistent with his 20-21 season but he was also banged up this past January/February with a lower body injury. He played extremely well down the stretch (especially against Rutgers in that crazy game) at an important time when Goodwin seemed to lose all sense of confidence.

Why we wouldn't want a stretch forward back shooting > 45% from the arc and > 85% from the FT line...that's a valued asset right there. Not to mention the lack of F options on this team currently.

Make no bones about it, we need him back. That would be a huge blow.
 

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Maybe I'm overselling it for my own sake, holding out hope he will return, but $150k a year for 5-10 years isn't going to sustain you for life, so why not get two free semesters of grad school?

If he is only interested in playing in Europe idk why he wouldn't just hire an agent and announce he's gone already. It seems to me like he's (realistically or not) testing the NBA/G-League waters before making an informed decision.

I don't agree that Nate "is the same player he was two years ago." I think he's improved on both sides of the floor, especially shooting from the FT line and behind the arc. Two years ago he was shooting a measly 31% from 3, and he was well above 40% the past two seasons.

His stat line was pretty consistent with his 20-21 season but he was also banged up this past January/February with a lower body injury. He played extremely well down the stretch (especially against Rutgers in that crazy game) at an important time when Goodwin seemed to lose all sense of confidence.

Why we wouldn't want a stretch forward back shooting > 45% from the arc and > 85% from the FT line...that's a valued asset right there. Not to mention the lack of F options on this team currently.

Make no bones about it, we need him back. That would be a huge blow.
Surprised at these shooting %'s they are much better than I thought. But its not converting to more PPG. In fact, he went from 13.3 as a Jr to 9.3 this year. Nate just disappears for long stretches.
 

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Maybe I'm overselling it for my own sake, holding out hope he will return, but $150k a year for 5-10 years isn't going to sustain you for life, so why not get two free semesters of grad school?

If he is only interested in playing in Europe idk why he wouldn't just hire an agent and announce he's gone already. It seems to me like he's (realistically or not) testing the NBA/G-League waters before making an informed decision.

I don't agree that Nate "is the same player he was two years ago." I think he's improved on both sides of the floor, especially shooting from the FT line and behind the arc. Two years ago he was shooting a measly 31% from 3, and he was well above 40% the past two seasons.

His stat line was pretty consistent with his 20-21 season but he was also banged up this past January/February with a lower body injury. He played extremely well down the stretch (especially against Rutgers in that crazy game) at an important time when Goodwin seemed to lose all sense of confidence.

Why we wouldn't want a stretch forward back shooting > 45% from the arc and > 85% from the FT line...that's a valued asset right there. Not to mention the lack of F options on this team currently.

Make no bones about it, we need him back. That would be a huge blow.
Makes sense. Besides, the opportunity to play overseas will still be there if he comes back.
 

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Surprised at these shooting %'s they are much better than I thought. But its not converting to more PPG. In fact, he went from 13.3 as a Jr to 9.3 this year. Nate just disappears for long stretches.
I definitely see where you're coming from, but I'd also remind you that he was never really one of our top 3 or even 4 options. This past year alone, we had Wesley and Goodwin who were 1A/1B of scorers, Paul Atkinson had a few monster games sprinkled in there where he seemed unstoppable in the paint, etc. Nate was also out for a couple of weeks and took a while to get back to 100%, and that's kind of when Cormac Ryan rose to the occasion.

I think he'll be a stud next year if he comes back
 

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Noie's chat is up...not much in there. He thinks Nate's 40-60 with 40% returning. He's adamant that nothing will happen that will cause Wesley to return to ND. Someone asked him who will start and he said if he had today's roster it would be Starling, Hammond, Goodwin , Ryan and......Lubin!

Good grief that's 4 guards and a small forward. Maybe Lubin plays big but he's 6-7. We're going to be tiny.

He didn't seem to know much about any bigs in the portal. Said Basile was plan A. Reading between the lines it sounds like we though we were getting Basile.
 

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One of the guys on II said this, but it turned out to be incorrect and he's hired an advisor which still allows him to return.

Idk if it would be smart for him to return. He's got an ND degree and will easily be making 150K+ tax free in Europe if he wants. He will never be an NBA player so what will he really be returning for?
Interesting. I can’t remember who tweeted it or I would’ve cited them but it was someone on the ND beat. Thanks for the correction…at least there’s still hope.

EDIT: it was Joshua Vowles in an article from OFD
 

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Lubin & Campbell are both 6'8'' 247 lists Lubin a PF and Campbell a C & are both highly rated. Get them ready and play them both, having Nate back would be a boost.

I want Blake back...I don't like those chances though.
 

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I agree that it’s unlikely that Blake comes back but he is finishing his semester classes so there is still a possibility.

I’m really excited for lubin. I just have a feeling he is gonna be really good and is underrated right now even tho he is a top 75 player in rankings
 

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No announcement today from Nate or ND so I guess that means he's staying in the draft. Today was the deadline for pulling out.
 

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No announcement today from Nate or ND so I guess that means he's staying in the draft. Today was the deadline for pulling out.
That's baffling to me if true; I would've ben a large stack of cash in April that he'd be back...can't imagine he's going to get drafted. Very curious decision.
 

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Why can’t we ever get these fringe guys to come back for a final year. It seems like they always leave. It’s annoying
 

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Why can’t we ever get these fringe guys to come back for a final year. It seems like they always leave. It’s annoying
Agent in their ears telling them there’s money to be made.
 

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That's baffling to me if true; I would've ben a large stack of cash in April that he'd be back...can't imagine he's going to get drafted. Very curious decision.
I believe it’s understood that he won’t be drafted and that he doesn’t expect to be drafted. I believe O’Malley or Prister stated he planned to play in Europe.
 

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I really can't understand the struggle to bring in a big
Guaranteed big minutes
Great returning roster
Great incoming roster

I have to wonder if NIL is working against Brey

They had a pretty weak grad transfer visit from Penn yesterday, Michael Wang. 6'10" but injury ridden career.

I saw Peter Nance from Northwestern removed himself from the draft but is staying in the portal. Brey should be pushing hard for him. The fact he's not though (as far as I know at least), and seems to be looking more at depth bigs now makes me think he is gonna roll either small or Zona is gonna have to have a Mooney like emergence.
 

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They had a pretty weak grad transfer visit from Penn yesterday, Michael Wang. 6'10" but injury ridden career.

I saw Peter Nance from Northwestern removed himself from the draft but is staying in the portal. Brey should be pushing hard for him. The fact he's not though (as far as I know at least), and seems to be looking more at depth bigs now makes me think he is gonna roll either small or Zona is gonna have to have a Mooney like emergence.
Yep, I saw the Peter Nance news.
That's a must get, in terms of a shot of winning the ACC anyway.

I'm holding out hope for Zona/Campbell/Lubin combo tag team in the paint. But I really don't want to "rely" on that.
 
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