2020 Elections

[ulukinatme]

Biden's been at this so long, Johnny Carson had jokes about him.

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Don't worry, he's got ol' Donald too.

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[IrishLax]

Yet they are basic shit the MSM won't even address.

The FBI obviously has the laptop so it's already available for the highest level of scrutiny that exists. Why would the NYP post give up their copy knowing the FBI has sat on it. At minimum, the laptop should have been mentioned by the FBI to the Senate, but it wasn't. I wouldn't let anyone near the copy.

This doesn't even make sense. They're pushing the story in the media, and their own people have come out and said it's sketchy AF.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NY Post journalist on the murky provenance of Hunter Biden's emails: "It’s not something that meets my journalistic standards," adding, "it should not have been published." <a href="https://t.co/0kUmSbRO4C">https://t.co/0kUmSbRO4C</a></p>— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) <a href="https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1317963975821230081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Giuliani has the "copy" and won't actually share it with anyone who can independently verify. Why? If all the emails and other data is legit, why on earth wouldn't the first thing you do be to prove it? You can copy the copy if you're worried about retaining the original. Trump could also compel the FBI to produce the hard drive and give statements before congress on the contents and whether it actually belongs to Hunter Biden.

You're being asked to believe that Hunter Biden flew 3000 miles from California to Delaware to drop off three non-functioning laptops at a hole-in-the-wall computer repair shop where the owner is BLIND. So he conveniently "can't confirm" who actually gave him the hard drive. Hunter Biden then supposedly abandons them for no reason, and the owner... who happens to be #MAGA person... decides to view the files and then illegally copy the hard drives and hand them in to the FBI(?) and Rudy Giuliani(???). He won't say whether Giuliani contacted him or the other way around; he won't name "all the players" involved; and he gives evasive and contradictory statements when interviewed. This guy says he was motivated because his girlfriend left him after he voted for Trump. The story doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test.

There is also no chain of custody on the hard drive, which means even in the unlikely event that Hunter Biden left a laptop with this guy you can't say who put what data on it and when.

 

[IrishLax]

Couldn't a not entirely tinfoil hat person say "how do we know he doesn't have Chinese money or investments? Isn't half the point of taking bribes to avoid it being detected?"

Joe Biden sucks either way lol.

Yeah absolutely, there's always the chance that like any criminal he has shares or something in an offshore account that isn't in his filings. But the bottom line is that there is no paper trail right now from either side (Chinese or Joe Biden) that corroborates that anything close to what that email purported actually took place. And on the corporate side of things, that's not something you can easily hide. It's a matter of record who has shares in a corporation and easy to vet.

 

[Irish YJ]

This doesn't even make sense. They're pushing the story in the media, and their own people have come out and said it's sketchy AF.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NY Post journalist on the murky provenance of Hunter Biden's emails: "It’s not something that meets my journalistic standards," adding, "it should not have been published." <a href="https://t.co/0kUmSbRO4C">https://t.co/0kUmSbRO4C</a></p>— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) <a href="https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1317963975821230081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Giuliani has the "copy" and won't actually share it with anyone who can independently verify. Why? If all the emails and other data is legit, why on earth wouldn't the first thing you do be to prove it? You can copy the copy if you're worried about retaining the original. Trump could also compel the FBI to produce the hard drive and give statements before congress on the contents and whether it actually belongs to Hunter Biden.

You're being asked to believe that Hunter Biden flew 3000 miles from California to Delaware to drop off three non-functioning laptops at a hole-in-the-wall computer repair shop where the owner is BLIND. So he conveniently "can't confirm" who actually gave him the hard drive. Hunter Biden then supposedly abandons them for no reason, and the owner... who happens to be #MAGA person... decides to view the files and then illegally copy the hard drives and hand them in to the FBI(?) and Rudy Giuliani(???). He won't say whether Giuliani contacted him or the other way around; he won't name "all the players" involved; and he gives evasive and contradictory statements when interviewed. This guy says he was motivated because his girlfriend left him after he voted for Trump. The story doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test.

There is also no chain of custody on the hard drive, which means even in the unlikely event that Hunter Biden left a laptop with this guy you can't say who put what data on it and when.

Dude, enough spin.

1) Does the FBI have it? Easy to answer.
2) If yes, are the emails real? Easy to answer

It's that F'ing simple. Our government (FBI) is in position to make this all go away. All the Shokin/Ukraine fluff is not central to the above 2 questions. If you answer those 2 very simple questions, then all the rest of the questions either die, or become relevant. Easy peasy.

 

[IrishLax]

Last thing I'll say before I go to bed... the entire idea that we should trust Trump and/or Russia is just patently ridiculous and that's why so many people who aren't on the #MAGA side of things give this so much side-eye.

In just the past week, Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory that we didn't actually kill Bin Laden. That's absurd and obviously anti-factual. His rallies have also been full of insane information and other outright lies like:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some solid Trumpflation at yesterday's rally in Michigan: "Did you see they found FIFTY THOUSAND ballots in, like, a river?"<br><br>This did not happen. Neither Trump nor anybody around him has identified a river where any ballots were found, let alone his new "50,000" figure.</p>— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1317966525018550275?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump is totally wrong in claiming the CDC found 85% of mask-wearers get the virus. The CDC study didn’t even *try* to find out what percentage of mask-wearers get the virus. I explain here: <a href="https://t.co/telD17QFRX">https://t.co/telD17QFRX</a></p>— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1317139999071129602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His son posts intentional misinformation like this:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Actually, that's not Biden's house. It's a money pit he bought in 1975 for $185,000, spent 21 years renovating and sold in 1996 for $1.2 million. I wrote about it last time he ran 12 years ago: <a href="https://t.co/KySe0aAERX">https://t.co/KySe0aAERX</a> <a href="https://t.co/1dzj2v0cLV">https://t.co/1dzj2v0cLV</a></p>— Mike McIntire (@mmcintire) <a href="https://twitter.com/mmcintire/status/1317547448143929344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They have no credibility whatsoever. They are going all in on Hunter Biden because playing offense is better than playing defense, and similar tactics worked down the stretch in 2016. You don't have to own the fact that your campaign staff and administration has been full of criminals and you won't release your taxes when you can hammer on Hunter Biden every day to make a false equivalency. I respect the politics, I don't respect the viewpoint that what's going on should be taken at face value or assumed to be accurate.

 

[IrishLax]

Dude, enough spin.

1) Does the FBI have it? Easy to answer.
2) If yes, are the emails real? Easy to answer

It's that F'ing simple. Our government (FBI) is in position to make this all go away. All the Shokin/Ukraine fluff is not central to the above 2 questions. If you answer those 2 very simple questions, then all the rest of the questions either die, or become relevant. Easy peasy.

Trump literally runs the FBI and can compel them to produce it immediately + give statements on the contents. Why hasn't he?

The FBI is part of the executive branch, so yes... Trump definitely has the ability to make this all go away or verify the contents of the hard drive but is choosing not to. Ask yourself why. Ask yourself why this is conveniently going to turn into a congressional matter that runs through November 3rd as they have to jump through hoops to subpoena it.

Maybe, just maybe, it's because in 2016 he won on the back of a late surge based on Clinton's email controversy peaking right before election day and they're sticking with the best strategy they have to win.

 

[Legacy]

One of the Florida Districts that Trump and Reps would love to flip is the 21st which is SE Florida partly comprised of Palm Beach, W. Palm, Boynton and DelRay beaches - Trump's home district. He's recently congratulated the winner of the Rep primary - Laura Loomer - who received 43% of the vote that included five other candidates, tweetng “Great going Laura. You have a great chance against a Pelosi puppet!” (Lois Frankel) Lara Trump recently campaigned with Loomer. Palm Beach County Republican Party chairman Michael Barnett calls her "a great candidate", "a bulldog and a fighter like President Trump". Loomer calls Roger Stone as "one of my personal heroes". Stone referred to her as “my favorite freedom fighter” and the ”Joan of Arc of the conservative movement.“

At her victory party in the primary, speeches were given by Milo Yiannopoulos and Gavin McInnis, founder of the Proud Boys. Some of the rank and file of the white nationalist, anti-Muslim, misogynistic hate group were in the back of the room. Roger Stone took to the podium after that. Loomer describes herself as a "proud Islamphobe" and promotes a number of far right conspiracy theories, including that the Parkland and Santa Fe, Texas massacres were staged and that the perp of the LV massacre was affiliated with ISIS. Loomer told the crowd of mostly women at the GOP women’s dinner in September, “We have actual jihadists roaming the halls of Congress.”

Loomer has been banned from every social media platform and the financial platforms PayPal, GoRundMe and VenMo due to her hate speech. Loomer asked her supporters to send personal checks towards her personal debt of $40k instead of through PayPal. Jack Wohl, a fellow conspiracy theorist and fraudster, is an associate, though Wohl pled to fourteen counts of securities fraud and has pled not guilty to four felony charges related to securities fraud in California.

McInnis is no longer with the Proud Boys but moved to Project Veritas, where he worked with Loomer. Project Veritas is a right-wing conspiracy theory website. McInnis says Loomer "inspires us". Loomer, who is Jewish, has denounced the alt-right and repudiated white supremacist Richard Spencer but is comfortable with McInnis.

Clearly with the Trump congrats and family campaigning and in the district in which DJT has his residence and the Rep Party's and his glowing endorsements, the President is very familiar with Loomer, her beliefs and her associations. "Great going Laura"

 

[Irish YJ]

Trump literally runs the FBI and can compel them to produce it immediately + give statements on the contents. Why hasn't he?

The FBI is part of the executive branch, so yes... Trump definitely has the ability to make this all go away or verify the contents of the hard drive but is choosing not to. Ask yourself why. Ask yourself why this is conveniently going to turn into a congressional matter that runs through November 3rd as they have to jump through hoops to subpoena it.

Maybe, just maybe, it's because in 2016 he won on the back of a late surge based on Clinton's email controversy peaking right before election day and they're sticking with the best strategy they have to win.

Are you serious?
He runs them so much they abused the Fisa process to try and screw him..... It's Comey, and his homey's that got all this shit started with the faux dossier.

It was the FBI that destroyed Clinton emails. It was the FBI sexting and talking about how to stop Trump. It was the FBI who had one of their key investigators married to a Fusion GPS employee.

Pretty rich trying to suggest Trump controls the FBI...

 

[Irish#1]

As for the elections themselves, early voting trends actually indicate a Trump win is MUCH more likely than polls suggest or as would typically occur in a "normal" election cycle. This runs counter much of the narrative that is being pushed by some media outlets. Two things specifically to keep an eye on:

1. 2%-10% of mail in ballots are getting thrown out in North Carolina and these are overwhelmingly from Democrats. Black people are having their ballots rejected at 3x the rate and mainly because of people's interpretation of witness statements by certain election officials... either the fact that they're unsigned or "illegible". One ballot was rejected because a reviewer 'couldn't read' the letter "C" in the witness address. Similarly, wide swaths of ballots in Pennsylvania are reportedly being rejected because of a "privacy envelope" rule. So it's extremely likely that tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of votes in these two "tipping point" states will end up being rejected and the election will end up in court.

2. Polling suggests that 70% of Republicans intend to vote on election day yet their representation in early voting and mail-in voting far outstrips the projected "30%" in most key places. This indicates one of two things... either that Democrats are turning out in lower numbers right now for early + mail than anticipated (unlikely) or that more Republicans are voting early (more likely). Either one is hypothetically a big warning sign. And this isn't congruent across all states, but it's something to keep an eye on.

Betting markets had Biden at a peak of 68% after his train wreck first debate, but now put him at 64%. While Trump is still roughly a 2-to-1 dog after being even money post RNC it will be interesting to see if he stabilizes there or continues to pick up some ground over the next two weeks.

This is pretty interesting. I would have thought the early voting would have been on the Demo side. People wanting to get rid of Trump asap.

 

[IrishLax]

Are you serious?
He runs them so much they abused the Fisa process to try and screw him..... It's Comey, and his homey's that got all this shit started with the faux dossier.

It was the FBI that destroyed Clinton emails. It was the FBI sexting and talking about how to stop Trump. It was the FBI who had one of their key investigators married to a Fusion GPS employee.

Pretty rich trying to suggest Trump controls the FBI...

None of this is complicated. The FBI isn't going to randomly release information to the public -- especially if it's an ongoing investigation -- without being compelled to by the Executive Branch or Legislative Branch. This isn't Comey's FBI, Trump has his own appointee in charge, and he also can fire whoever he wants whenever he wants.

But hey, forget the FBI for a second. Trump could order his lawyer Giuliani to produce the copy for independent verification of the contents. He's doing neither. Literally both groups who have the information work directly for him. He does want people he to have the facts, he wants to be able to milk the the story for two weeks. This is fine, it's good politics. I respect the hustle. But let's not pretend Trump and his associates are trustworthy, and lets not pretend that its not clear why this information is being intentionally leaked bit-by-bit by Trump's lawyer to keep it in the news cycle exactly how they want all the way through election day. It's good strategy.

 

[drayer54]

None of this is complicated. The FBI isn't going to randomly release information to the public -- especially if it's an ongoing investigation -- without being compelled to by the Executive Branch or Legislative Branch. This isn't Comey's FBI, Trump has his own appointee in charge, and he also can fire whoever he wants whenever he wants.

But hey, forget the FBI for a second. Trump could order his lawyer Giuliani to produce the copy for independent verification of the contents. He's doing neither. Literally both groups who have the information work directly for him. He does want people he to have the facts, he wants to be able to milk the the story for two weeks. This is fine, it's good politics. I respect the hustle. But let's not pretend Trump and his associates are trustworthy, and lets not pretend that its not clear why this information is being intentionally leaked bit-by-bit by Trump's lawyer to keep it in the news cycle exactly how they want all the way through election day. It's good strategy.

It's become quite clear that the FBI does not serve Trump. I understand structurally that they do, however, the FBI going back to the days of Strzok and Paige coordinating for Hillary has been clearly anti-Trump.

The fact that this hard drive sat unmentioned during an impeachment proves this. Hell, it could have been wiped like everything else the Democrats touch.

My guess is that this hard drive contains a myriad of unflattering pieces on Biden and that the NY Post intends to drip it between now and Nov 3. I also fully expect that big tech and the left-wing media will do its best to blockade that information from people.

 

[IrishLax]

It's become quite clear that the FBI does not serve Trump. I understand structurally that they do, however, the FBI going back to the days of Strzok and Paige coordinating for Hillary has been clearly anti-Trump.

The fact that this hard drive sat unmentioned during an impeachment proves this. Hell, it could have been wiped like everything else the Democrats touch.

My guess is that this hard drive contains a myriad of unflattering pieces on Biden and that the NY Post intends to drip it between now and Nov 3. I also fully expect that big tech and the left-wing media will do its best to blockade that information from people.

OK then why not have Giuliani release it? Giuliani also works directly for Trump. Why leak unverified bits piece-by-piece rather than have all the contents independently verified if they were worried about the truth?

And let's be real -- Trump has installed sycophants in every single position, and where they haven't done his bidding with blind obedience they've been forced. Many of which then go on record about how incompetent, stupid, and unethical Trump is.

DNI Ratcliffe went on Fox News today to say there's "no evidence" that this is part of Russian disinformation. Great, we should believe our DNI, right? Except that he then follows it up by saying the unverified information he "declassified" at Lindsey Graham's request before the first debate... and where he admitted in the document itself he couldn't be sure of the accuracy... was "authentic" Russian intelligence. Good grief. But then there's more! He closes by telling people how to vote in the election, because if Trump loses he's out of a job.

All of the people feeding us information right now have self-serving bias. I'd like to see someone independent take a look at the information, but Trump won't release it. So it's going to be two weeks of him playing offense and trying to claw his way back into the race. It's smart politics but nothing more than that.

 

[NorthDakota]

Yesterday Joe tweeted about how he always makes time for his Grandchildren. I wonder if anyone has asked him if he has visited the strippers baby in the Ozarks yet?

 

[yankeehater]

Biden's been at this so long, Johnny Carson had jokes about him.

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Don't worry, he's got ol' Donald too.

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There will never be another Johnny! Jay was decent the others today couldn't hold either's jock or joke!

 

[yankeehater]

Last thing I'll say before I go to bed... the entire idea that we should trust Trump and/or Russia is just patently ridiculous and that's why so many people who aren't on the #MAGA side of things give this so much side-eye.

In just the past week, Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory that we didn't actually kill Bin Laden. That's absurd and obviously anti-factual. His rallies have also been full of insane information and other outright lies like:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some solid Trumpflation at yesterday's rally in Michigan: "Did you see they found FIFTY THOUSAND ballots in, like, a river?"<br><br>This did not happen. Neither Trump nor anybody around him has identified a river where any ballots were found, let alone his new "50,000" figure.</p>— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1317966525018550275?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump is totally wrong in claiming the CDC found 85% of mask-wearers get the virus. The CDC study didn’t even *try* to find out what percentage of mask-wearers get the virus. I explain here: <a href="https://t.co/telD17QFRX">https://t.co/telD17QFRX</a></p>— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1317139999071129602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His son posts intentional misinformation like this:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Actually, that's not Biden's house. It's a money pit he bought in 1975 for $185,000, spent 21 years renovating and sold in 1996 for $1.2 million. I wrote about it last time he ran 12 years ago: <a href="https://t.co/KySe0aAERX">https://t.co/KySe0aAERX</a> <a href="https://t.co/1dzj2v0cLV">https://t.co/1dzj2v0cLV</a></p>— Mike McIntire (@mmcintire) <a href="https://twitter.com/mmcintire/status/1317547448143929344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They have no credibility whatsoever. They are going all in on Hunter Biden because playing offense is better than playing defense, and similar tactics worked down the stretch in 2016. You don't have to own the fact that your campaign staff and administration has been full of criminals and you won't release your taxes when you can hammer on Hunter Biden every day to make a false equivalency. I respect the politics, I don't respect the viewpoint that what's going on should be taken at face value or assumed to be accurate.

C'mon LAX! You do know where the 85% number comes from that Trump is referring. Either that or you are not as informed as I give you credit. The CDC stated that 85% of Covid patients either wore a mask always or often. BTW only 3.9% said they never did.

So Trump mixed words up in his comment saying 85% of mask wearers contracted the virus instead of 85% of covid patients habitually wore a mask. It is a mix up of words not a falsehood or whack conspiracy as you claim.

I attached one of many articles on this CDC finding that came up in my Google search.
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/cdc-85-of-covid-19-patients-report

 

[Legacy]

This is being updated daily. Right now 26-30% of the largest ten counties by population have voted with 15 days to go. The courts have upheld the Rep Sec St limitation of one drop box per county. As of the 2010 census, Harris County (Houston) has a population of over 4 million people with almost 2.4 million voters.

Here's how many Texans have voted early in the 2020 general election in the state's biggest counties
Through Oct. 17, 23.7% of registered voters had cast their ballots in Texas' 10 largest counties.

Harris County tried to make voting easier during the pandemic. Texas Republicans fought every step of the way.

It's harder to vote in Texas than any other state

 

[yankeehater]

The MSM always asks to denounce white supremacy. How come that question is never posed to Joe Biden? Biden voted on the side of the segregationist and his racist commentary is well noted. Here he is praising and eulogizing former clan leader Robert Byrd in 2010. Maybe that is why David Duke has thrown his support to Biden instead of Trump in the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOEwxZIFh_M

 

[TorontoGold]

The MSM always asks to denounce white supremacy. How come that question is never posed to Joe Biden? Biden voted on the side of the segregationist and his racist commentary is well noted. Here he is praising and eulogizing former clan leader Robert Byrd in 2010. Maybe that is why David Duke has thrown his support to Biden instead of Trump in the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOEwxZIFh_M

Straight up lie, do better. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ke-tucker-carlson-election-2020-a9609491.html

 

[yankeehater]

Straight up lie, do better. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ke-tucker-carlson-election-2020-a9609491.html

But you are not denying anything else in my comment. Biden is who he is with or without Duke's support. His voting record does not lie.

 

[NorthDakota]

This is being updated daily. Right now 26-30% of the largest ten counties by population have voted with 15 days to go. The courts have upheld the Rep Sec St limitation of one drop box per county. As of the 2010 census, Harris County (Houston) has a population of over 4 million people with almost 2.4 million voters.

Here's how many Texans have voted early in the 2020 general election in the state's biggest counties
Through Oct. 17, 23.7% of registered voters had cast their ballots in Texas' 10 largest counties.

Harris County tried to make voting easier during the pandemic. Texas Republicans fought every step of the way.

It's harder to vote in Texas than any other state

I'll say this simply and slowly for the knuckledraggers, voting is absurdly easy in any state. Being rated as the most difficult state to vote is like being the #4 team in the CFP.

 

[TorontoGold]

But you are not denying anything else in my comment. Biden is who he is with or without Duke's support. His voting record does not lie.

So you just drop in ridiculous claims in your post? Trump is planning to give Richard Spencer a cabinet spot. See how stupid that is?

 

[Legacy]

Voting is especially easy in mail-in voting states, those that register voters with their Real ID driver's license or on-line, have early voting three weeks prior to Election Day, and count ballots for one week after it if mailed by Election Day.

For those who wish to take the time to read a short article:
For second time, federal judge finds Texas is violating voter registration law
A U.S. district judge found Texas is “legally obligated” to allow voters to simultaneously register to vote with every driver's license renewal or change-of-address application, and ordered the state to set up a “fully operable” online system by Sept. 23.


In Texas, absentee ballots are available only to people age 65 or older, those confined in jail but otherwise eligible, people who are out of the county for the election period, and voters who cite a disability or illness.

Representative democracy loses if more people are prevented from voting by requirements. Harris County is the size of Rhode Island and has one voting drop box.

For the first time in Texas, drive-thru voting was implemented in 10 locations.Officials also increased the hours of several early voting sites and announced that six locations in Harris County would be open 24 hours a day in the final days of early voting.

 

[yankeehater]

So you just drop in ridiculous claims in your post? Trump is planning to give Richard Spencer a cabinet spot. See how stupid that is?

So Trump is giving a cabinet spot to a guy who is voting for Biden. That does seem stupid! And you are accusing me of throwing wild shit out! I actually meant Spencer and not Duke. Your lame post jogged my memory. Thanks!

https://summit.news/2020/08/24/white-supremacist-richard-spencer-endorses-joe-biden/

 

[TorontoGold]

So Trump is giving a cabinet spot to a guy who is voting for Biden. That does seem stupid! And you are accusing me of throwing wild shit out! I actually meant Spencer and not Duke. Your lame post jogged my memory. Thanks!

https://summit.news/2020/08/24/white-supremacist-richard-spencer-endorses-joe-biden/

You can't even get your white nationalists right LMAO, it really should be that hard if you're reading Summit News.

 

[NorthDakota]

You can't even get your white nationalists right LMAO, it really should be that hard if you're reading Summit News.

it can be hard to keep names straight when they only make the news every 4 years lol

 

[IrishLax]

Fox News wouldn't touch the unverified hard drive with a ten foot pole because of credibility concerns and Giuliani refusing to let them authenticate the content: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56613;Even Fox News passed on Rudy Giuliani's shady Hunter Biden laptop story due to the "lack of authentication of Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop, combined with established concerns about Giuliani as a reliable source and his desire for unvetted publication."<a href="https://t.co/qvm6aINabK">https://t.co/qvm6aINabK</a></p>— Dena Grayson, MD, PhD (@DrDenaGrayson) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1318223778229473280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meanwhile, Trump says on a call that "they" have given new info to "the media" and that the Wall Street Journal will be putting out a story this week that will make Biden "impotent." Not sure if this is typical fake posturing from Trump, or if this is their next directed leak, but I expect this all to crescendo into the next debate -> lull -> hit them with a final leak of unverified information right before election day. At least that's what I would do if I was in Trump's shoes.

 

[Rocket89]

OK then why not have Giuliani release it? Giuliani also works directly for Trump. Why leak unverified bits piece-by-piece rather than have all the contents independently verified if they were worried about the truth?

And let's be real -- Trump has installed sycophants in every single position, and where they haven't done his bidding with blind obedience they've been forced. Many of which then go on record about how incompetent, stupid, and unethical Trump is.

DNI Ratcliffe went on Fox News today to say there's "no evidence" that this is part of Russian disinformation. Great, we should believe our DNI, right? Except that he then follows it up by saying the unverified information he "declassified" at Lindsey Graham's request before the first debate... and where he admitted in the document itself he couldn't be sure of the accuracy... was "authentic" Russian intelligence. Good grief. But then there's more! He closes by telling people how to vote in the election, because if Trump loses he's out of a job.

All of the people feeding us information right now have self-serving bias. I'd like to see someone independent take a look at the information, but Trump won't release it. So it's going to be two weeks of him playing offense and trying to claw his way back into the race. It's smart politics but nothing more than that.

Some comments I think worth noting:

1) Nothing released by Rudy has been damaging even in the least bit. The Hunter Biden stuff--setting aside that it's been debunked about 7 million times in the past--doesn't even prove anything or connect any dots. It's complete amateur hour in every way.

2) Most of the level-headed commentators in the political threads knew this playbook was coming. I know in the Trump thread I made numerous detailed posts about how Rudy was going to use Russian disinformation right before the election as an October surprise. Even I'm disappointed that the best they've come up with is "but his emails" version 2.0 that show Hunter....emailing co-workers like a normal person? Like, what?

Somehow they thought they could just skip right over the meat of their conspiracy theory (Joe shut down Shokin to help Hunter) and release some work emails with zero context or frame and think people in the US were going to flip out?

3) I know you've noticed as have I, but it's clear that since there's nothing to the disinformation campaign we're seeing a massive pivot to whether the laptop/emails are real or not. Here's a quote from YJ:

"None have said the laptop is a fake. None have denied the FBI had the laptop. None can prove anything on the laptop is fake. It may well be fake, but it might be real too. None can prove anything. Their all just trying to distract from some of the basics."

Even if the laptop and emails are real it doesn't mean a damn thing. They don't prove anything! Now, we're forced to muck in the dirty waters of a campaign of "Well, if people can't prove the laptop is fake and Biden can't deny the emails are real that means the whole conspiracy theory (of which the laptop and emails don't prove shit) is actually real too."

YJ is always super transparent with stuff like this. If the emails are from Russia's hacking effort of Burisma (which makes more sense than Rudy's evolving story) we'll never find a laptop. If we never find a laptop or get official confirmation about emails, people can bicker about whether they are real or not instead of whether Rudy proved Joe used US policy to protect his son. He didn't prove anything, so whether computer or emails are real doesn't matter.

4) We know the media wouldn't take this info from Rudy. Okay, MSM bias though! The FBI said GTFO out with this garbage. The Ron Johnson-led Senate Homeland Security Committee wouldn't touch Rudy's garbage either and released a report a few weeks ago clearing Hunter & Joe Biden (for the 7th million time) of any wrongdoing in Ukraine.

We found out today, Fox News' News division wouldn't even touch it. Rudy took this to the New York Post(!!!) where seemingly everyone there was pissed off about taking it too and they put a byline on a 20-something new employee fresh off the Sean Hannity Show, FFS. I can't even describe the richness involved in watching people shout away world-class journalists for merely smiling at a Democrat one time while this garbage fire NY Post story gets propped up.

5) Most of all, I can't help but laugh my ass off at Rudy working on this for over a year for Trump and this is what he comes up with in October before the election. It's truly hilarious if it wasn't so sad (and likely illegal). Trump got impeached over trying to get Ukraine to interfere in the election and Rudy swoops in a year and a half later trying to pull it off himself to disastrous results. I'd like to blame Rudy but he's the one who has been stealing Trump's money this whole time so I'm not sure who the biggest fool is here.

 

[tussin]

I think it's pretty clear that this entire story is at best dubiously-sourced and at worst a complete nothing burger. Given the rumors of what else is on there, the fact that Trump and Rudy are not immediately getting the contents verified and widely distributed indicates as much.

Not to mention that it's a poor tactic. I think we are all largely fatigued by this kind of story. The mission should be to show that Biden is a doddering old fool and this distracts from that core message. It fires up the QAnon types and not much else. No one cares about Hunter Biden -- the emails and pictures were pathetic and sad, not earth-shattering election news.

 

[yankeehater]

You can't even get your white nationalists right LMAO, it really should be that hard if you're reading Summit News.

So your rebuttal is that I can't keep white nationalists straight like that is a bad thing. It figures you can since the side you seem to be on at least in this country was founded by the KKK and had elected party members within the last several decades who were members.

 

[yankeehater]

If everyone saying this Hunter Biden story is such a nothing burger, then why did the Democrats comment on the record including former President Obama about Hunter's business interests. Then President Obama said he didn't think it had any influence over Joe's decisions. The ironic thing is one of the votes he did side with Hunter's business interests was one where Joe was one a handful of Democrats voted with the Republicans.

It is comical when for the last four years all we heard was the Trump family had business interests abroad and that was the problem. Then it was about a phone call and Trump released the transcript immediately. Biden can clear everything up by doing something similar. Right now he seems to want to dodge it until the election. He knows the media will help him do this.