2020-2021 Notre Dame’s Men’s Basketball

[Irish#1]

Oh yea, no doubt about that. Recruiting has always been a struggle though for Brey. It was either local(ish) recruits or those from EC. I never understood it either, as his personality, coaching style and offense are all ultra player friendly. I think it's just effort. Like you said, nobody is expecting or asking for 2 5*'s a year. Just have consistent, higher level guys and we would be in good shape. The junior class was supposed to be that, but it isn't working. But the problem is that it's literally the junior class and nothing else. Lazy.

Agree. He's shown he can coach. It comes down to Brey's recruiting or lack of. BB is such an easier fix than FB. It only takes a couple of the better kids to make a team a winner and top 25 program.

Swarbrick should have replaced Brey about three years ago.

 

[gkIrish]

Brey is capable of being a good coach, but he doesn't care anymore. He hasn't cared since the elite eight runs. There is no reason to believe he will ever care. I'm sure he could get a job with ESPN or whoever easily if he just steps down. Win Win.

 

[BabyIrish]

Brey is capable of being a good coach, but he doesn't care anymore. He hasn't cared since the elite eight runs. There is no reason to believe he will ever care. I'm sure he could get a job with ESPN or whoever easily if he just steps down. Win Win.

Agreed. Breys coaching really made up for his recruiting for most of his career. But since he lost Colson and Farrell, it sure seems like his coaching is way down too. The team doesn’t play the same as they used to. I think it’s time to move on after this season.

 

[notredomer23]

Until recently, idk why any top 100 recruit would even consider ND. Have you seen their basketball facilities? Probably the worst of any major conference. Sure they've improved, but that was only recently. That combined with Brey being a bad recruiter are not a good formula.

 

[Woneone]

My problem isn't the recruiting. Sans 1 year, maybe 2, it's always been awful.

It's the player development.

Cooley's class was ranked 294 (that can't be right, can it?) on 247.

Grant and Pat C's classes were near 50 nationally.

Even Auguste's class, with 4-star Cam Biedscheid and Austin Burgett, was just 30th.

But, out of all of those classes, you'd count on player development. You develop a guy or two in each class, and by the time they are seniors, you have a functional team of experienced players.

This Junior class, in my opinion outside of Laz, is nearly the same they were as freshman, marginally better. And even Laz, at 6'10, was being bullied by a small guard against VT in the post (HE TOOK 5 FREAKING SHOTS).

It's not our recruiting that gets me. Whatever. But since Ingelsby left, we haven't had anyone, especially our guards, develop.

 

[anarin]

Who was this team? Lol

 

[irishandy]

Who was this team? Lol

I agree, the most complete game of the season, if they could only play like that every game...they'd be pretty good.

 

[BeauBenken]

Not that Wake Forest is great, but we're up 74-47 on them right now...


I just turned it on, but it looks like we were only up 35-32 at half. We've outscored them 39-15 in the second half with four minutes to go.

 

[Woneone]

Not that Wake Forest is great, but we're up 74-47 on them right now...


I just turned it on, but it looks like we were only up 35-32 at half. We've outscored them 39-15 in the second half with four minutes to go.

Well poop. Just got back from getting drinks for the game. Although, it will be easier to watch the replay knowing we won.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Great game in all aspects. We will see if they can keep it up. The schedule gets easier then it was first half so we have a chance to have a good record

 

[stpeteirish]

Ryan has changed, seemingly overnight, from being a major liability to a major asset. No idea what happened but he's all of a sudden playing up to his recruiting rankings.

Hubb came out cold and it didn't matter because Ryan picked up the slack.

 

[Woneone]

Watched the game last night, and it is in fact more enjoyable to watch the replay of a game you know you're going to win.

1.) It's amazing how much better a player looks (Ryan) when he's hitting shots. I think the type of shots he's getting are a big part of that as well. Instead of forces with a guy in his grill, he's getting some much more uncontested looks. Some of this has to do with the competition, but some of it is just running the offense better. At one point, he ran towards a stagger screen, stopped, went back out the opposite side to another screen where his defender went over the top, and just flattened to the corner for a wide open 3.

2.) Hubb still take some awful shots, but you can tell he's really trying to be better distributing the ball (to the point he's forcing the action a bit in some cases, but I'm completely cool with that).

3.) Laz has got to get better in the post. Teams have realized how to play him when he's the single big on the court. Just switch. He is straight awful establishing post position, even when he has 20 pounds a 10 inches on a guy.

4.) I know this may sound blasphemous, and I've always been higher on Djogo than most, but if yesterday was what we always got from him, I'd try to talk him into staying another year. We don't have any real good options at the 4, and when we "downshift", he's our best option (unless Brey is grooming Sanders for that role next year).

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Watched the game last night, and it is in fact more enjoyable to watch the replay of a game you know you're going to win.

1.) It's amazing how much better a player looks (Ryan) when he's hitting shots. I think the type of shots he's getting are a big part of that as well. Instead of forces with a guy in his grill, he's getting some much more uncontested looks. Some of this has to do with the competition, but some of it is just running the offense better. At one point, he ran towards a stagger screen, stopped, went back out the opposite side to another screen where his defender went over the top, and just flattened to the corner for a wide open 3.

2.) Hubb still take some awful shots, but you can tell he's really trying to be better distributing the ball (to the point he's forcing the action a bit in some cases, but I'm completely cool with that).

3.) Laz has got to get better in the post. Teams have realized how to play him when he's the single big on the court. Just switch. He is straight awful establishing post position, even when he has 20 pounds a 10 inches on a guy.

4.) I know this may sound blasphemous, and I've always been higher on Djogo than most, but if yesterday was what we always got from him, I'd try to talk him into staying another year. We don't have any real good options at the 4, and when we "downshift", he's our best option (unless Brey is grooming Sanders for that role next year).

I hear what you're saying, but with the way Brey uses the bench, I worry that he may burry so of the young guns (that have a higher ceiling). If Djogo is cool riding the pine while providing the vet leadership in practice I'm super cool then.

 

[irishandy]

After watching last nights game I like the roll that ND is on.

Is Ryan starting or his coming off the bench? He has had more of a spark the past few games.

I like how Durham has been playing physical inside- I wish he would stay another year, but chances are that he won't.

Hubb has really improved his play on offense whether if he is scoring or passing the ball.

With the schedule getting easier and if the Irish can get some more W's it will be interesting to see what they can do to finish out the year.

 

[RDU Irish]

Classic Brey - turn shit in to Shinola just in time to fall short of the tourney. Bet we end up slightly over 500 with a couple ACC tourney wins and then lose early in the NIT, if they are even playing it this year.

 

[Woneone]

I hear what you're saying, but with the way Brey uses the bench, I worry that he may burry so of the young guns (that have a higher ceiling). If Djogo is cool riding the pine while providing the vet leadership in practice I'm super cool then.

Fair point. I was watching the pressers after the game about 2 hours after I posted this, and thought "Oh shit, is Robby Carmody still on the team?"".

 

[Woneone]

I didn't get to watch us build the lead in the first half. However, from that point on (when we were up about 15) I will say this for GT, they made F'ing everything.

Like, everything. Good defense. Bad defense. Everything.

That said....

I like that good Hubb is there more than bad Hubb now. But, god damn it finish contested at the rim and quit turning the ball over. 10 assists. GREAT! 5 turnovers. BAD!
Jose Alverado - be him. A pest on the ball, and get open shots off of your post kicking it back out. Hubb is a below average defensive player now. He's not good. He's not bad, but he doesn't bring anything. To be the best team we can, he need to have 7 shots, 7 assists, and be a pest on defense.

Laz had a ton of rolls off of ball screens that Hubb hit. Plus a few flares. He's our best player, and should get AT LEAST 12 shots per game.

Ryan - welcome back to reality.

Wertz - See above.

Pissed this away, but GT had the best half, with contested shots, that they will have all year. We were bad on the offensive end for about a 5 minute stretch. We aren't good enough to beat that right now from a good team.

But, I'm starting to have a bit of hope.

Edit: GT today was a sweet 16 team. At their house, we gave the game away. Still mad, but we looked like an actual ACC team today.

 

[stpeteirish]

yeah, Tech was really good last night. It wasn't an aberration, tho. They're undefeated at home with some really good wins.
Team should not be discouraged by this one, we can still beat enough teams left on our schedule to get to .500. Which is a reasonable goal for a 6-10 team.

Brey ran out of time outs with 3 minutes left? Who'd have though that would happen? (sarcasm)

 

[irishandy]

ND played their best half of the season (in the first) and the worst half of the season (in the second).

ND should've beat Tech last night.

I see why Cormac Ryan isn't starting. I want to see more of Wertz over Ryan.

 

[Woneone]

Didn't get to start watching until 4 left in the first half. Although, did get a look at the stats.

Are we giving Duke jumpers and they are just hitting them, or are they just torching us all over (can't really tell with ESPN gamecast)?

 

[Woneone]

Nothing says playing at Duke than a TV shot of K saying a ref "They have 3 fouls" and the next possession we have 3 more called.

Edit: Had 3 when they showed the conversation with around 4 to go. Now have 8. Coincidence, obviously.

And Baker just hugs Ryan in the middle of the court, no call. Luckily he got a lay-up on a nice Hubb feed.

 

[RDU Irish]

So Cormac saving himself for Duke apparently. I need to turn this on, don't believe it.

 

[RDU Irish]

Nothing says playing at Duke than a TV shot of K saying a ref "They have 3 fouls" and the next possession we have 3 more called.

Edit: Had 3 when they showed the conversation with around 4 to go. Now have 8. Coincidence, obviously.

And Baker just hugs Ryan in the middle of the court, no call. Luckily he got a lay-up on a nice Hubb feed.

Such a douche and the ACC officiating licks his balls so hard.

 

[Woneone]

Such a douche and the ACC officiating licks his balls so hard.

Haha. Again, I didn't get to watch the first 14 minutes, but come on. Moore knocks Ryan back 3 feet on a drive and they just swallow the whistle.

Maybe this is how the game was called early, but watching them blow the whistle the last 6 minutes doesn't exactly lend me to believe they are letting things go.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You guys really shut shutdown IE right before ND finished beating Duke at Cameron?

My heart aches...

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[BeauBenken]

You guys really shut shutdown IE right before ND finished beating Duke at Cameron?

My heart aches...

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It went off the server a little quicker than I think we planned.


Trust me, I was trying to get here to post about the great win myself.


I think Duke has to officially call Cormac Ryan "daddy" now.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If someone would have told me pre-covid we were going to win at UK and Duke on the road, I would have been expecting a much different season... Lol

 

[RDU Irish]

It went off the server a little quicker than I think we planned.


Trust me, I was trying to get here to post about the great win myself.


I think Duke has to officially call Cormac Ryan "daddy" now.

Making Duke Cormac's only child. I am very happy he had it in him.


However, Duke will ALWAYS be Bonzi's little bitch. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2016-01-16-duke.html

 

[clashmore_mike]

Great first half of offense followed by a compete head scratcher of a second half. Syracuse turned up the pressure defensively and ND didn't handle it well at all. Disappointing loss with how they've been playing as of late.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Absolutely embarrassing. Don’t know if there’s any words for the disappointment