2018 Master List

[BobbyMac]

The little guy on the right is 6-7, 375. These are the starting tackles for IMG. smh&lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">766-pounds of <a href="https://twitter.com/IMGAcademy">@IMGAcademy</a> OL at <a href="https://twitter.com/UAFootball">@UAFootball</a> Camp Orlando today. Daniel Faalele & <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanNeal47">@EvanNeal47</a> <a href="https://t.co/B95n9dUSDJ">pic.twitter.com/B95n9dUSDJ</a></p>— Gerry Hamilton (@HamiltonESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamiltonESPN/status/835895510569377792">February 26, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Harry better get a condo in Fla, so he can snag Daniel Faalele right away. This kid may redefine what a left tackle is.

Reports are, he can pancake almost and d-lineman at IMG. And that is some serious d-line talent.

Tossed Kaindoh like a rag doll!

 

[BobbyMac]

Harry better get a condo in Fla, so he can snag Daniel Faalele right away. This kid may redefine what a left tackle is.

Reports are, he can pancake almost and d-lineman at IMG. And that is some serious d-line talent.

Tossed Kaindoh like a rag doll!

...or is he the next Zach Banner road grader RT? If either of these guys trips and falls down, 2-3 guys are getting pancaked. A football field is only so big.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

The little guy on the right is 6-7, 375. These are the starting tackles for IMG. smh&lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">766-pounds of <a href="https://twitter.com/IMGAcademy">@IMGAcademy</a> OL at <a href="https://twitter.com/UAFootball">@UAFootball</a> Camp Orlando today. Daniel Faalele & <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanNeal47">@EvanNeal47</a> <a href="https://t.co/B95n9dUSDJ">pic.twitter.com/B95n9dUSDJ</a></p>— Gerry Hamilton (@HamiltonESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamiltonESPN/status/835895510569377792">February 26, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good lord...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

...or is he the next Zach Banner road grader RT? If either of these guys trips and falls down, 2-3 guys are getting pancaked. A football field is only so big.

From all that I've heard, read, and seen, this kid has incredible athletic superiority over Banner. I almost wonder if anyone is going to be able to stay attached to the ground in front of him.

Thanks in part to a background in rugby and basketball, Faalele has quick feet and extraordinary agility for someone his size. Despite weighing close to 400 pounds, he doesn't appear fat because his frame is so solid.

"He's just a freak of nature, obviously," IMG strength coach David Ballou said. "As thick as he is and as big as he is, you wouldn't expect him to move like he does. He's a powerful dude, but he's had limited strength background before coming here. From our perspective, his training age is 1. He's an untapped gem."

Matt Rhea, IMG head of sport science, said Faalele boasts the highest jumping power he has ever measured -- including some pro athletes -- and that the Aussie phenom has acceleration speed that is off the charts compared to typical prep running backs or linebackers. All that said, Ballou and Rhea are molding Faalele to be leaner.

"I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he gains 40 pounds of muscle," Rhea said. "Even as good as he looks and moves now, there's still a transformation that is coming. He may gain 40 pounds of muscle but lose 80 pounds of fat. That kid at 350, with that muscle mass, is going to be impressive."

How a 17-year-old Australian giant with no football experience became a recruiting sensation

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Actually, does Daniel have a profile?

 

[BobbyMac]

From all that I've heard, read, and seen, this kid has incredible athletic superiority over Banner. I almost wonder if anyone is going to be able to stay attached to the ground in front of him.



How a 17-year-old Australian giant with no football experience became a recruiting sensation

I've read all the same things. We'll know soon enough. If he's another species of HS player like it sounds, he'll show it quickly against a TOP 3 HS schedule on national tv. If he's as good as advertised he'll be the #1 overall player and would have to be better than the 103 rating 247 gave Walker Evans last year. I won't lie, I'm excited to see what he's got.

 

[BobbyMac]

Actually, does Daniel have a profile?

I have it in my files but I haven't heard a peep about interest so I didn't post it as of yet.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have it in my files but I haven't heard a peep about interest so I didn't post it as of yet.

Is he actually '18 or '19?

Because everything I have seen is that he came over from Australia last year, and spent part or most of his first year training, and this will be his first year of competition.

I am sure IMG has quite a bit of flexibility as to where to show him, because he has until he is 19 going on 20 to compete at a high school level. So I am wondering if they have fixed him as a senior, or a junior. In Ohio, regardless of whether you go to public, or private high school, you can take public college courses for high school credit. So they could find curriculum for him, I would imagine.

 

[BobbyMac]

Is he actually '18 or '19?

He's '18.

Peloquin started following him after his initial "6-8 - 400lb" story broke a couple months back but there has been no additional staff follows since.

 

[BobbyMac]

Well at least someone's honest about it. Hope this becomes the norm.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LSU commit Nadab Joseph. Says he's 82% committed to the Tigers. Yes 82% <a href="https://t.co/HzaTAdalez">pic.twitter.com/HzaTAdalez</a></p>— Derek Tyson (@DerekTysonESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DerekTysonESPN/status/835895944939974658">February 26, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[BobbyMac]

This shows you what kind of year it is for recruiting. Quincy Patterson is a 6-4, 230lb old fashioned, dual threat QB that had something like 1500 pass / 1500 rush and 40 TD's playing for Solorio Academy on Chicago's Southside. He was an every down, two way player who played MLB (Don't have the stats) on D. He is a 4.0 student with offers from Yale, Princeton, Northwestern, Vandy, UVa, but also Penn St, Miss St, Mizzou, Iowa and ended up choosing VT over UNC today. If i were the coach, this is the type of QB I'd go for in between my Wimbush's and Jurkovec's, instead of 5-11, pocket passers who'll do nothing but pimp a clipboard. Any year you aren't scoring a high 4, you need an Arnaz Battle or Carlyle Holiday. He would have been a nice option to have next year if an elite QB doesn't want to come in behind Phil.

At least Kearney and Peloquin followed him.

<iframe class="twofourseven-embed" style="max-width: 100%" frameborder="0" width="600" height="200" src="http://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Quincy-Patterson-at-Solorio-Academy-188444/Embed"></iframe><script async src="https://assets.247sports.com/Scripts/Shared/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">100% committed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HokieNation?src=hash">#HokieNation</a> &#55358;&#56707;&#55358;&#56707;&#55358;&#56707; <a href="https://t.co/6bZgX0PvHT">pic.twitter.com/6bZgX0PvHT</a></p>— Quincy Patterson II (@quincy_qb1) <a href="https://twitter.com/quincy_qb1/status/836275869933002752">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[BobbyMac]

Ron Tatum was offered.

<iframe class="twofourseven-embed" style="max-width: 100%" frameborder="0" width="600" height="200" src="http://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Ron-Tatum-at-Putnam-City-196542/Embed"></iframe><script async src="https://assets.247sports.com/Scripts/Shared/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very happy to announce that I've received an offer from the prestigious University of Notre Dame!!!☘️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://t.co/RF8lwY4SNr">pic.twitter.com/RF8lwY4SNr</a></p>— Ron Tatum III&#55356;&#57288;&#55357;&#56495; (@rontatum3_) <a href="https://twitter.com/rontatum3_/status/837089241700061184">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Calabrese's People]

He's '18.

Peloquin started following him after his initial "6-8 - 400lb" story broke a couple months back but there has been no additional staff follows since.

Daniel's highly unlikely to come to ND. The culture-shock is pretty huge.

At the end, i think this will be a Michigan v USC battle.

 

[BobbyMac]

Daniel's highly unlikely to come to ND. The culture-shock is pretty huge.

At the end, i think this will be a Michigan v USC battle.

OK. so I can see if you gave us a couple of poly friendly schools in the west but Michigan? Why is that not a culture shock?

 

[Naz2002]

So excluding ASB, who was a take no matter what, who is everyone's preference to fill presumably the last WR slot in this class? Mine was Hightower by a wide margin, but now I'm looking into other guys. Who does everyone like most?

 

[GBdomer]

wrong thread

 

[Irish Man3]

So excluding ASB, who was a take no matter what, who is everyone's preference to fill presumably the last WR slot in this class? Mine was Hightower by a wide margin, but now I'm looking into other guys. Who does everyone like most?

Word on the street is they take 5

 

[Naz2002]

Word on the street is they take 5

Nothing against you but I doubt that very much. Unless of course they have 3 and ASB, Hall somehow want in.

 

[Luckylucci]

Nothing against you but I doubt that very much. Unless of course they have 3 and ASB, Hall somehow want in.

It's fairly well known that they are willing to take 5 this cycle. It's been reported multiple places, in threads that are probably buried now.

 

[NDinBoston]

Crusader, I believe you complained a couple weeks ago that ND just didn't have enough offers out and I believe at the time it was right around 75.

It is now 116 so ND has put out around 40 offers in about 2 weeks. And that's for an admittedly small class.

Guess they listened to you.

 

[Naz2002]

It's fairly well known that they are willing to take 5 this cycle. It's been reported multiple places, in threads that are probably buried now.

Willing to take and taking are two entirely different things. If they have 4 commits and ASB wants in yeah they're willing to take him. They aren't seeking 5 at this point, I would bet anything on it. That's not good roster management and not a smart usage of a class that seemingly may be a little smaller. Obviously like anything that changes with unexpected exits and while last years class didn't entirely go the way we would have like we still have 2, 3, 4 (one gone) from the last 3 classes. None of the remaining 8 have been truly passed over yet. None of the WR's in the previous 3 classes are serious options to move anywhere sans Claypool but that only exists on message boards right now, they haven't considered moving him. Slot is a need in this class and I prefer Lenzy outside even though he could play slot, but we are in decent shape on the outside.

 

[GBdomer]

Willing to take and taking are two entirely different things. If they have 4 commits and ASB wants in yeah they're willing to take him. They aren't seeking 5 at this point, I would bet anything on it. That's not good roster management and not a smart usage of a class that seemingly may be a little smaller. Obviously like anything that changes with unexpected exits and while last years class didn't entirely go the way we would have like we still have 2, 3, 4 (one gone) from the last 3 classes. None of the remaining 8 have been truly passed over yet. None of the WR's in the previous 3 classes are serious options to move anywhere sans Claypool but that only exists on message boards right now, they haven't considered moving him. Slot is a need in this class and I prefer Lenzy outside even though he could play slot, but we are in decent shape on the outside.

It's an extremely deep year at WR and ND will take it while the iron is hot. They want to take five so I'm sure they will find a way to take 5

 

[Naz2002]

It's an extremely deep year at WR and ND will take it while the iron is hot. They want to take five so I'm sure they will find a way to take 5

WR's/eligibility in 2018
Freddy Canteen 1yr
ESB 1 year
CJ Sanders 1 yr
Kevin Stepherson 2 yrs
Chase Claypool 2 yrs
Miles Boykin 2 yrs
Chris Finke 2 yrs
Javon McKinley 3 yrs
Deon McIntosh 3 yrs
Jafar Armstrong 4 yrs (I see him redshirting
Michael Young 4 yrs (more likely to play than Armstrong but probably redshirt if slots stay healthy)
Micah Jones 4 yrs
Braden Lenzy 4 yrs

That's a lot of returning players and eligibility remaining, I don't see how you fit 5, again it'd be poor roster management.

 

[NDinBoston]

WR's/eligibility in 2018
Freddy Canteen 1yr
ESB 1 year
CJ Sanders 1 yr
Kevin Stepherson 2 yrs
Chase Claypool 2 yrs
Miles Boykin 2 yrs
Chris Finke 2 yrs
Javon McKinley 3 yrs
Deon McIntosh 3 yrs
Jafar Armstrong 4 yrs (I see him redshirting
Michael Young 4 yrs (more likely to play than Armstrong but probably redshirt if slots stay healthy)
Micah Jones 4 yrs
Braden Lenzy 4 yrs

That's a lot of returning players and eligibility remaining, I don't see how you fit 5, again it'd be poor roster management.

Good info. That's 13 WRs. How many do you want? 12-16?

What if....

- ESB to NFL
- Canteen, Finke, Boykin move on for playing time reasons
- one unforeseen issue but staff is aware of (academic/legal, position move, etc...)

I think that's reasonable and takes the group down by 5. Who knows? But it's not out of the question to lose 5 WRs due to NFL, transfer, position move, injury, suspension, etc...

 

[Naz2002]

Good info. That's 13 WRs. How many do you want? 12-16?

What if....

- ESB to NFL
- Canteen, Finke, Boykin move on for playing time reasons
- one unforeseen issue but staff is aware of (academic/legal, position move, etc...)

I think that's reasonable and takes the group down by 5. Who knows? But it's not out of the question to lose 5 WRs due to NFL, transfer, position move, injury, suspension, etc...

So here's the deal, you don't predict guys to have legal trouble or transfer especially a year out. 10 months from now we'll have a good idea where guys stand in terms of transferring and declaring early. ESB has a lot to work on but it's possible, it's reasonable that Boykin or someone older could be passed up but it hasn't happened yet so no reason to predicting it. I happen to know Boykin is very happy right now and feels he has a very good chance to contribute. He's one of the least likely to transfer at this point, obviously that can change but impossible to predict. Canteen could definitely not get invited back that's not unfair but still impossible to predict. Why would Finke go anywhere? He came to ND a a walkon and per his own words his dream came true. He's one of only a few slots on roster and looked the best last year. Even if playing time disappears he's not gongs anywhere he came to ND for ND the football scholarship was just a perk.

Now let's also take into account that we are pretty well stocked at TE, Alize could leave but highly unlikely he needs more body of work more than likely to go where he belongs in draft. If he doesn't we're loaded at TE, even if he does we have two studs coming in and we will see plenty of two TE sets, all that means is it's less reps for WR's hard to keep them all happy. 5 in one class is a panic move and not a necessity by any means. The only candidate to move positions is Claypool and that hasn't even been discussed.

Things change throughout the course of the year and maybe by January we are having a different conversation but as of this moment 5 is asinine. Unless like I said 4-5 are guys like ASB and Jaelon Hall, they want in and you deal with the poor roster management lol. Also keep in mind it will be a smaller class until actual turnover does happen so we can't completely overload at one position we have too many other needs. What happens if we overload at WR thinking attrition on the roster will happen and then it doesn't 5 out of 20 hurts.

 

[NDinBoston]

So here's the deal, you don't predict guys to have legal trouble or transfer especially a year out. 10 months from now we'll have a good idea where guys stand in terms of transferring and declaring early. ESB has a lot to work on but it's possible, it's reasonable that Boykin or someone older could be passed up but it hasn't happened yet so no reason to predicting it. I happen to know Boykin is very happy right now and feels he has a very good chance to contribute. He's one of the least likely to transfer at this point, obviously that can change but impossible to predict. Canteen could definitely not get invited back that's not unfair but still impossible to predict. Why would Finke go anywhere? He came to ND a a walkon and per his own words his dream came true. He's one of only a few slots on roster and looked the best last year. Even if playing time disappears he's not gongs anywhere he came to ND for ND the football scholarship was just a perk.

Now let's also take into account that we are pretty well stocked at TE, Alize could leave but highly unlikely he needs more body of work more than likely to go where he belongs in draft. If he doesn't we're loaded at TE, even if he does we have two studs coming in and we will see plenty of two TE sets, all that means is it's less reps for WR's hard to keep them all happy. 5 in one class is a panic move and not a necessity by any means. The only candidate to move positions is Claypool and that hasn't even been discussed.

Things change throughout the course of the year and maybe by January we are having a different conversation but as of this moment 5 is asinine. Unless like I said 4-5 are guys like ASB and Jaelon Hall, they want in and you deal with the poor roster management lol. Also keep in mind it will be a smaller class until actual turnover does happen so we can't completely overload at one position we have too many other needs. What happens if we overload at WR thinking attrition on the roster will happen and then it doesn't 5 out of 20 hurts.

OK, you make good points from a "fan" perspective. All I am saying is that the offers and numbers/takes decisions are made by the coaches and they know more than fans. I was just trying to suggest what factors might be in play driving the coaches decisions. For them it is not speculation on what might happen, they kind of know what is happening.

There is probably ample reason to criticize some previous recruiting decisions but the current staff is on fire and IMHO has earned some credibility and trust. You make great points, I just think the new staff has earned some trust as well and if they are looking for 5 WRs there may be a good reason. Obviously it's reasonable and fine if you still remain skeptical.

We're not arguing : ). I respect your opinion and your recent posts have been really interesting. Just trying to add to the debate.

 

[BobbyMac]

OK, you make good points from a "fan" perspective. All I am saying is that the offers and numbers/takes decisions are made by the coaches and they know more than fans. I was just trying to suggest what factors might be in play driving the coaches decisions. For them it is not speculation on what might happen, they kind of know what is happening.

There is probably ample reason to criticize some previous recruiting decisions but the current staff is on fire and IMHO has earned some credibility and trust. You make great points, I just think the new staff has earned some trust as well and if they are looking for 5 WRs there may be a good reason. Obviously it's reasonable and fine if you still remain skeptical.

We're not arguing : ). I respect your opinion and your recent posts have been really interesting. Just trying to add to the debate.

This.

Unfortunately you have to over recruit to make sure you get close to 85 which ND never does. You don't hope for scandal, bad grades, medical retirement, transfers/grad transfers but they happen every year to where it's almost as sure as the sun coming up in the east.

I've done the numbers and if they weren't to ask Weishar back it's 19 right now. I'll bet a signed Walter Payton jersey they have room for 22.

They need to thin the herd as much as possible, '18 is an ND friendly class and ND's sorta a big deal this year. Like you said, strike while the Dome is hot.



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[Luckylucci]

So here's the deal, you don't predict guys to have legal trouble or transfer especially a year out. 10 months from now we'll have a good idea where guys stand in terms of transferring and declaring early. ESB has a lot to work on but it's possible, it's reasonable that Boykin or someone older could be passed up but it hasn't happened yet so no reason to predicting it. I happen to know Boykin is very happy right now and feels he has a very good chance to contribute. He's one of the least likely to transfer at this point, obviously that can change but impossible to predict. Canteen could definitely not get invited back that's not unfair but still impossible to predict. Why would Finke go anywhere? He came to ND a a walkon and per his own words his dream came true. He's one of only a few slots on roster and looked the best last year. Even if playing time disappears he's not gongs anywhere he came to ND for ND the football scholarship was just a perk.

Now let's also take into account that we are pretty well stocked at TE, Alize could leave but highly unlikely he needs more body of work more than likely to go where he belongs in draft. If he doesn't we're loaded at TE, even if he does we have two studs coming in and we will see plenty of two TE sets, all that means is it's less reps for WR's hard to keep them all happy. 5 in one class is a panic move and not a necessity by any means. The only candidate to move positions is Claypool and that hasn't even been discussed.

Things change throughout the course of the year and maybe by January we are having a different conversation but as of this moment 5 is asinine. Unless like I said 4-5 are guys like ASB and Jaelon Hall, they want in and you deal with the poor roster management lol. Also keep in mind it will be a smaller class until actual turnover does happen so we can't completely overload at one position we have too many other needs. What happens if we overload at WR thinking attrition on the roster will happen and then it doesn't 5 out of 20 hurts.

You can argue the strategy all night long, I don't believe anyone is even opposing that. The opposition is saying that the staff is preparing to take 5, whether you like it or not. That's the info that all "in the know" are being told and sharing. So, you don have to agree with the plan, but it is the plan, as of today.

 

[NDinBoston]

This.

Unfortunately you have to over recruit to make sure you get close to 85 which ND never does. You don't hope for scandal, bad grades, medical retirement, transfers/grad transfers but they happen every year to where it's almost as sure as the sun coming up in the east.

I've done the numbers and if they weren't to ask Weishar back it's 19 right now. I'll bet a signed Walter Payton jersey they have room for 22.

They need to thin the herd as much as possible, '18 is an ND friendly class and ND's sorta a big deal this year. Like you said, strike while the Dome is hot.
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