2018-2019 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

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FightingIrishLover7 said:
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Why do people keep saying "I knew this year was going to be bad, but..."

So, if entering the year you are expecting bad, THEN we lose Rex, Elijah, Robby (some Durham)...

Shouldn't you adjust your expecations based on that?

Meaning: Bad (preseason) - transfer/injuries = awful.

I expected "awful". I actually wasn't sure if this team would win a SINGLE ACC game. They are too thin, too inexperience, too overworked to compete in the ACC at this time, period.

Now, add the fact they are "playing for nothing" (they're actually playing for practice) the players are demoralized.

Resulting:
Bad (preseason) - transfer/injuries + demoralization = really, really awful

That's where we're at. 2007 ND football.
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Going into the season, I would've expected to beat Radford and a Miami team with a losing record. I wasn't expecting to beat UVA or Duke, but I wasn't totally expecting to get shit on either. All 4 of those games were embarrassing, especially when 3 of those 4 games happened at home. I'm not sure it would've played out any differently if the team was healthy or not. Rex was absolutely a liability on offense and I don't think he'd make much of a difference.

I honestly wouldn't have been upset if Brey would've just been straight forward with everyone and said "look, just be patient with us because we're about to have a really rough year".
 
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arrowryan said:
Going into the season, I would've expected to beat Radford and a Miami team with a losing record. I wasn't expecting to beat UVA or Duke, but I wasn't totally expecting to get shit on either. All 4 of those games were embarrassing, especially when 3 of those 4 games happened at home. I'm not sure it would've played out any differently if the team was healthy or not. Rex was absolutely a liability on offense and I don't think he'd make much of a difference.

I honestly wouldn't have been upset if Brey would've just been straight forward with everyone and said "look, just be patient with us because we're about to have a really rough year".
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Disagree and strongly disagree
1) His shot percentage has never been the greatest, but, his passing/ability to actuially dribble on the wing is better than anyone else on the current team at this stage.

2) His defense/overall energy was contagious. Even as a frosh he added some moments of great cockiness to the team... People can make fun of his "cali swagger" but this team has zero confidence. His presence on the court alone is a big loss.

(not to mention having a 22ish year old body right now would be great for our team's overall gas/legs)
 
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arrowryan said:
Going into the season, I would've expected to beat Radford and a Miami team with a losing record. I wasn't expecting to beat UVA or Duke, but I wasn't totally expecting to get shit on either. All 4 of those games were embarrassing, especially when 3 of those 4 games happened at home. I'm not sure it would've played out any differently if the team was healthy or not. Rex was absolutely a liability on offense and I don't think he'd make much of a difference.

I honestly wouldn't have been upset if Brey would've just been straight forward with everyone and said "look, just be patient with us because we're about to have a really rough year".
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Also, if you watched/listened to Brey's tone/expressions early in the season you can easily tell he was concerned about this team's youth. He made that very clear, while remaining "nice" and politically correct with his words. He obviously isn't going to say "we about to be azz".

But you could tell Brey had waaayyy less swagger coming into this season.
 
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This team has no leadership-- Rex went down, Elijah transferred, and who I expected to step up (TJ Gibbs) hasn't.

They have no post game at all, Miami double teamed Mooney all night.

I've always said this, ND lives and dies by the 3. They started out 3-4 and ended up 4-28 on the 3's; I felt like I was watching an NBA team.

This team is young and they are showing it. Injuries haven't been kind (Rex, Carmody, and Durham).

I look at this year the year when Jerian Grant left in December because of his academics. I hope next year's comeback is like the year when Grant came back...
 
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irishandy said:
This team has no leadership-- Rex went down, Elijah transferred, and who I expected to step up (TJ Gibbs) hasn't.

They have no post game at all, Miami double teamed Mooney all night.

I've always said this, ND lives and dies by the 3. They started out 3-4 and ended up 4-28 on the 3's; I felt like I was watching an NBA team.

This team is young and they are showing it. Injuries haven't been kind (Rex, Carmody, and Durham).

I look at this year the year when Jerian Grant left in December because of his academics. I hope next year's comeback is like the year when Grant came back...
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This was my biggest issue with this game...I like Brey, but at what point do you demand penetration...This isn't his typical, well-developed, senior laden team that can run the show on their own.....
 
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FightingIrishLover7 said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-hoops-coaching-carousel-whos-next-ucla-060907941.html

Brey getting mentioned.
This program could collapse if he left at this unstable moment. We need him to plug the pieces back together like he has in the past.

At least this gap season is so "ugly" that it should hopefully scare poachers away.
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As soon as Alford was fired, most of CBB podcasts I listened to had Brey listed as someone UCLA was going to reach out to. But none of them actually thought he'd be very interested, mainly because apparently UCLA is pretty cheap with it's MBB program (apparently they don't charter plans, and Brey would make more at ND than the UCLA offer probably would be).

Actually, one of them last night mentioned that Walton is basically just waiting for the UCLA offer at this point, and that's one of the most likely outcomes.

In any case, I'd agree, would be an absolutely terrible time for this to happen.
 
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Woneone said:
As soon as Alford was fired, most of CBB podcasts I listened to had Brey listed as someone UCLA was going to reach out to. But none of them actually thought he'd be very interested, mainly because apparently UCLA is pretty cheap with it's MBB program (apparently they don't charter plans, and Brey would make more at ND than the UCLA offer probably would be).



Actually, one of them last night mentioned that Walton is basically just waiting for the UCLA offer at this point, and that's one of the most likely outcomes.



In any case, I'd agree, would be an absolutely terrible time for this to happen.
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Luke to ucla seems to be a done deal (from a common sense stand point).

He wants to be there, Ucla wants him there, Lakers want him there, LeBron wants him there...

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irishandy said:
How long is Brey under contract with ND?
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Does it matter? Brey is an amazing coach and he will finish his career at ND there’s no doubt in my mind about that. The past 2 years we have been hit with the injury bug really badly. Things will get better
 
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Irish YJ said:
shooting 4 for 23ish...
it just hurts to watch lol
i think it's time to turn on TWD marathon lead up to tonight's premier.
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Honestly as much as I hate to say it. I would rather watch anything other then this team right now. Even watching Gilmore girls with my wife...
 
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The announcers are basically mocking both teams. At this point I wish we wouldn’t be on national TV the rest of the year.
 
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NDGOLDEN said:
Honestly as much as I hate to say it. I would rather watch anything other then this team right now. Even watching Gilmore girls with my wife...
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i turned TWD on, and had the game streaming on my laptop. We started playing better, so I'm going with that lol.... no way we should lose to GT at home, even if we're shooting like the walking dead...
 
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Irish YJ said:
i turned TWD on, and had the game streaming on my laptop. We started playing better, so I'm going with that lol.... no way we should lose to GT at home, even if we're shooting like the walking dead...
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Well you can’t go wrong with TWD. And no we shouldn’t lose to GT at home. And hopefully we won’t
 
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Hooray! A Victory!

And the second half was actually watchable.

Was great to see DJ hit the offensive glass hard in the second half.

You want to know what actually gives me a bit more hope for next year? Watching how awful our zone offense is.

It's not because we're a team without talent, but because you can literally see guys just not being cohesive in what they're doing. Go back and re-watch the second half and count how many times we had two guys standing at the high post at the same time, then one pointing to where the other guy should be. DJ really doesn't know where to be most of the time, which is why it was so refreshing to see him basically say, "Well, screw this, I'll go score off a tip."

And I don't care how many fouls Laz picks up, him battling in the post defensively will help him after he gets a year in the weight room.

If next year Hubb is the sophomore version of Jose Alvarado (yes, he's in a huge shooting slump, but still), I'd be pretty happy. EDIT: Scratch this. My anecdotal watching of GT and Alvarado's season stats are not nearly the same thing. Alvarado looks like his stats line up with being about as underwhelming as TJ's (but TJ played well today).

I'm if we would have lost this one, I bet we would have found a way to lose the rest of them. But maybe this, and the BC game, are something to build a bit off of.
 
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Yes, it was better than Miami (who looked pretty doggone good vs NC Sat) but we just can't hit a jumper to save our lives. When some dude from Finland has a better stroke than anyone on our roster its pretty sad.

Harvey and Gibbs were WAY better than they've been. They actually looked athletic, which has been sorely lacking. This should get us a few more wins this year, if it holds.
 
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Thanks to GT for fouling twice on 30 foot misses to help TJ find his groove on the FT line. TJ breaks his funk and plays like second half I think he brings the team with him. God help us on late game inbounding - holy shite.
 
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Well for the first 25 mins they’ve actually looked like a basketball team (helped out by Virgina cold shooting). Gibbs is improving, Harvey is good when he’s on, Hubb has gained his confidence (still too many turnovers), Mooney looks to be going cold these last few games.

Think this is were things go down hill with Virgina up 9 at the TO here.
 
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Henges24 said:
Well for the first 25 mins they’ve actually looked like a basketball team (helped out by Virgina cold shooting). Gibbs is improving, Harvey is good when he’s on, Hubb has gained his confidence (still too many turnovers), Mooney looks to be going cold these last few games.

Think this is were things go down hill with Virgina up 9 at the TO here.
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...and now I’m starting to get a feeling they could actually win this game.
 
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