2017 Notre Dame NFL Pro Day Thread

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of that group, only Folston (eight catches) caught a pass from Kizer last season. Will be interesting to see if timing is affected.</p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/844901918078062592">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Nine former Notre Dame players will participate in the program’s pro day at the Loftus Sports Center in South Bend on Thursday.

A little more than one month ago, three of them traveled to the NFL Combine in Indianapolis to showcase their skills and interview with NFL teams.

The group was led by quarterback DeShone Kizer, who is still battling to be the top signal-caller selected in next month’s draft. Kizer wasn’t particularly sharp at the combine, so his performance at pro day will be key.

Kizer will participate in pro day alongside long snapper Scott Daly, running back Tarean Folston, tight end Chase Hounshell (who transferred to Ohio State), defensive linemen Jarron Jones and Isaac Rochell, cornerback Cole Luke, linebacker James Onwualu and safety Avery Sebastian.

Blue & Gold Illustrated will be in attendance for the pro day. Testing begins around 11 a.m., while on-field workouts will take place beginning around noon.

Here are the top storylines heading into Notre Dame’s pro day:

KIZER THE TOP QB?

In the weeks since he participated in the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, there is still debate about who the top quarterback is in the draft.

His college coach feels that Kizer is the best.

“I’ve had a number of conversations with GMs and coaches about DeShone and my personal feeling is he has the biggest upside of all the quarterbacks,” Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly said Wednesday. “I don’t know that he’s prepared to come in and win a Super Bowl for you [immediately]. Some may feel as though maybe one of the other quarterbacks are, I don’t know that firsthand.

“But I think in time, he has the biggest upside of all the three quarterbacks.”

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock still has Kizer as the No. 1 quarterback on his draft board. Others, like Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay, do not have Kizer being taken in the first round.

Many analysts believe Kizer should have returned to Notre Dame for his senior season in an effort to improve his accuracy and mechanics, which slumped during a 4-8 campaign in 2016.

But Kizer is arguably the best physical prospect among the top quarterbacks, standing 6-4 and weighing 233 pounds. He ran a 4.83-second 40-yard dash at the combine and is expected to try and best that time at pro day.

Kelly reiterated that Kizer is likely not a day one impact starter in the NFL, but instead is a player that needs some time to develop.

“Everybody’s under the same pressure of performing and needing somebody to come in right away,” Kelly said. “But I think he’s a guy that just needs some time. So if he gets in the right situation I think he’d be the guy to take.”

Who exactly Kizer will throw to Thursday is up in the air. It is expected that Notre Dame will bring in some outside receivers, including former players, to catch for Kizer.


OTHER PRO DAY PARTICIPANTS

• Scott Daly (LS): A four-year starter for the Irish as a long snapper, Daly has a chance to latch onto a team as a free agent. Former Notre Dame long snapper J.J. Jansen took a similar path and has been in the NFL since 2008.

• Tarean Folston (RB): A knee injury prior to his junior season derailed his NFL plans. He failed to show much during the 2016 season, appearing limited by various injuries.

• Chase Hounshell (TE): Played five years are Notre Dame but missed almost two complete seasons due to injury. Was a defensive lineman until 2015, when he moved to the offensive side. Started three games at tight end at Notre Dame before transferring to Ohio State for his final season in 2016.

• Jarron Jones (DL): Had an underwhelming combine performance and needs to help himself with a consistent, eye-popping pro day to convince NFL teams he’s worthy of a mid-round selection.

• Isaac Rochell (DL): Did not wow NFL teams at the combine last month, but could help himself with a better pro day. Is seen as a versatile player along the defensive line with an ability to play in both a 3-4 and 4-3 schemes.

• Cole Luke (CB): Peaked early in his Notre Dame career before having an up-and-down senior season in 2016. Will need to impress with a good 40-yard dash time.

• James Onwualu (LB): Has perhaps the best chance to get drafted among Notre Dame’s combine snubs. NFL teams could see him as a versatile special teams player.

• Avery Sebastian (S): Struggled with injuries throughout his college football career, both at Cal and Notre Dame. Is not expected to be drafted next month.

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So wait... who is he throwing the ball to?

A bunch of dudes that I would NOT be thrilled about if I were trying to be a first round pick.

Robinson and Carlisle are the only guys I'd trust to catch the ball consistently, and mayyyybeeee Folston.

Otherwise, Kizer's at the mercy of his receivers running poorly and dropping passes.
 

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ISD reported that Gehrig Dieter may be at the Pro Day too. Did that get confirmed?
 

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A bunch of dudes that I would NOT be thrilled about if I were trying to be a first round pick.

Robinson and Carlisle are the only guys I'd trust to catch the ball consistently, and mayyyybeeee Folston.

Otherwise, Kizer's at the mercy of his receivers running poorly and dropping passes.

So he at least has Robinson and Carlisle? The reason I ask is because if I was a scout, it would concern me that none of the WR's he's played with (past or present) were willing to take a couple hours out of a day to help their homie get drafted.

Kind of like when Bo Callahan didn't have any of his teammates at his birthday party.
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not a single NFL HC in attendance (pro day clashes with stanford and OSU's) but SF GM John Lynch is there.

Apparently Corey Robinson looked pretty good, caught everything
 

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Bears are supposed to put Kizer through a private workout late next week per Brad Biggs
 

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So he at least has Robinson and Carlisle? The reason I ask is because if I was a scout, it would concern me that none of the WR's he's played with (past or present) were willing to take a couple hours out of a day to help their homie get drafted.

Kind of like when Bo Callahan didn't have any of his teammates at his birthday party.
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its not allowed to have ANY current players to participate(if still on team)
 

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its not allowed to have ANY current players to participate(if still on team)
I think this actually changed this year. Now anyone who would be eligible for the next draft can participate in the pro day, but I think they then have to forfeit one of their 15 spring practices, which BK didn't want any of our guys doing. I feel like it might have been worth it to let EQ or Josh Adams do it and then just keep them out of the spring game where they would probably only play a quarter anyway.
 

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I think this actually changed this year. Now anyone who would be eligible for the next draft can participate in the pro day, but I think they then have to forfeit one of their 15 spring practices, which BK didn't want any of our guys doing. I feel like it might have been worth it to let EQ or Josh Adams do it and then just keep them out of the spring game where they would probably only play a quarter anyway.

YOU ARE CORRECT! didn't realize this changed...reps

Five underclassmen per program can participate in pro days when NFL coaches and scouts visit college campuses to watch workouts. But schools can request to have more involved.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/s...g-juniors-who-might-be-considering-nfl-draft/
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unofficially, had DeShone Kizer at 47-of-59 during his Pro Day. A few drops, but even less (understandably) chemistry with the wide outs.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/844966609089376256">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That seems very bad.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unofficially, had DeShone Kizer at 47-of-59 during his Pro Day. A few drops, but even less (understandably) chemistry with the wide outs.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/844966609089376256">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That seems very bad.

Who is advising him right now? It was stupid to throw at the combine and equally stupid to have a pro day with guys he doesn't have chemistry with. When was the last time he threw a ball to any of these guys? Over a year at the earliest?
 

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What's the most Notre Dame thing Notre Dame could do at it's Pro Day you ask???
 

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Who is advising him right now? It was stupid to throw at the combine and equally stupid to have a pro day with guys he doesn't have chemistry with. When was the last time he threw a ball to any of these guys? Over a year at the earliest?

Most half decent NFL QB pro days will have 100% completions so yah this is kinda worrying for him.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 2014 I wrote that Derek Carr was hands down the best QB in that class. I feel the same away about Kizer this year</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/844921538193379328">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unofficially, had DeShone Kizer at 47-of-59 during his Pro Day. A few drops, but even less (understandably) chemistry with the wide outs.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/844966609089376256">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That seems very bad.

driskell had tweeted out earlier that he was putting on a show...but that was only 20 throws in...so guessing he tanked?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked Tarean Folston at Pro Day about feedback from ND staff on staying/going. "You'd have to ask them." Said call was made independently.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/844964357079515136">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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So he at least has Robinson and Carlisle? The reason I ask is because if I was a scout, it would concern me that none of the WR's he's played with (past or present) were willing to take a couple hours out of a day to help their homie get drafted.

Kind of like when Bo Callahan didn't have any of his teammates at his birthday party.
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The only guy I could think of that would be available that's caught passes from him and wasn't involved or busy is Torii Hunter Jr.

Everybody else was either involved (Carlisle, Robinson), in the NFL (Fuller, C.Breezy, Prosise), or still on the roster.

Kizer's options are actually kind of limited in terms of who he'd have chemistry with. But since it appears that current players CAN participate if they sacrifice a spring practice, maybe the coaching staff could have taken one for the team and let a guy or two help out.
 

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Most half decent NFL QB pro days will have 100% completions so yah this is kinda worrying for him.

Right like how the fuck is it possible that he missed TWELVE throws? I've literally never heard of a QB at a pro day missing that many.
 

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The only guy I could think of that would be available that's caught passes from him and wasn't involved or busy is Torii Hunter Jr.

Everybody else was either involved (Carlisle, Robinson), in the NFL (Fuller, C.Breezy, Prosise), or still on the roster.

Kizer's options are actually kind of limited in terms of who he'd have chemistry with. But since it appears that current players CAN participate if they sacrifice a spring practice, maybe the coaching staff could have taken one for the team and let a guy or two help out.

he's in spring training w/ angels
 

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The only guy I could think of that would be available that's caught passes from him and wasn't involved or busy is Torii Hunter Jr.

Everybody else was either involved (Carlisle, Robinson), in the NFL (Fuller, C.Breezy, Prosise), or still on the roster.

Kizer's options are actually kind of limited in terms of who he'd have chemistry with. But since it appears that current players CAN participate if they sacrifice a spring practice, maybe the coaching staff could have taken one for the team and let a guy or two help out.

He's busy with the Angels!
 

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Right like how the fuck is it possible that he missed TWELVE throws? I've literally never heard of a QB at a pro day missing that many.

You know Folston, Gray and Hounshell are essentially tomato cans running routes out there. He's gonna look bad either way with that group.

He completes them all, but it's obvious that he was throwing with zero anticipation, because his receivers were slow and poor route runners.

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He doesn't complete them all because he's throwing to guys that will drop the ball or run poor routes, to go along with his accuracy issues.
 

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Right like how the fuck is it possible that he missed TWELVE throws? I've literally never heard of a QB at a pro day missing that many.

some of them could be drops i guess. If I remember correctly Jimmy only had two incompletions at his pro day and both were drops by Robby Paris..
 

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it was tweeted that he just had texted/emailed jonas gray the script of routes just prior to pro day...
 

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any notes on bench press 40s etc for any of the other guys
 

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Todd McShay was there and they had him on ESPN right after DK finished and he said he looked better than the combine but still a little inaccurate, specifically on deep crossing routes over the middle. He did say he looked good on the long ball especially along the sidelines. He didn't say anything about the number of incompletions, so that makes me feel like some were drops.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just had a scout text me that Kizer was throwing to "scrubs" today and to throw out any accuracy complaints.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/844978720741961730">March 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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