2016 Presidential Horse Race

[IrishJayhawk]

I didn't do anything. Italics are there for a reason.

 

[bobbyok1]

Politico made stuff up. What a suprise

 

[kmoose]

I'm glad to know that you weren't serious. It wasn't clear.

There are many conservatives who believe that the Clinton's murdered Vince Foster. Without italics, there's no possible way to know that you're tongue in cheek.

I owe you an apology. My memory was faulty. Looking back at it, I was actually answering this post;

Does that article insinuate Clinton killed two people?

I was just answering his question with a little context, vis-à-vis that particular section of the article that was posted. It was NOT an accusation, however, that she killed anyone.

 

[IrishLax]

This West Point thing is hilarious. Holy hell, talk about blowing something out of proportion. This entire thing is 100% semantics. Carson met with the general, and the general probably told him in conversation he'd definitely get in to West Point, and probably stressed that he'd have a scholarship there. That's how the nomination process works, and everyone there obviously gets their school paid for. The end.

Carson is also calling the Politico story total bullshit, because it is. Nowhere in his book did he say that he even applied to West Point... just that he met this general briefly, who probably offered to nominate him and said he'd have a full scholarship. He obviously would've gotten in, so everything checks out unless you want to dive in to phrasing.

All of the people who steadfastly support Hillary and say her enormous amount of lying "doesn't matter" (because it really doesn't) are attacking someone for something that literally does not matter whatsoever. An anecdote about a conversation 45 years ago. Good grief. I thought the media was rough on Brian Kelly... this is next level.

There is so much LEGITIMATE stuff to attack Carson about that why someone would invest time in this BS narrative is beyond my comprehension.

 

[connor_in]

I am gonna ban all you motherfuckers.

Language!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This West Point thing is hilarious. Holy hell, talk about blowing something out of proportion. This entire thing is 100% semantics. Carson met with the general, and the general probably told him in conversation he'd definitely get in to West Point, and probably stressed that he'd have a scholarship there. That's how the nomination process works, and everyone there obviously gets their school paid for. The end.

Carson is also calling the Politico story total bullshit, because it is. Nowhere in his book did he say that he even applied to West Point... just that he met this general briefly, who probably offered to nominate him and said he'd have a full scholarship. He obviously would've gotten in, so everything checks out unless you want to dive in to phrasing.

All of the people who steadfastly support Hillary and say her enormous amount of lying "doesn't matter" (because it really doesn't) are attacking someone for something that literally does not matter whatsoever. An anecdote about a conversation 45 years ago. Good grief. I thought the media was rough on Brian Kelly... this is next level.

There is so much LEGITIMATE stuff to attack Carson about that why someone would invest time in this BS narrative is beyond my comprehension.

I think this is pretty much right on. I overreacted at first as well.

The last link I posted (from Huffington Post, I know...but I think it's pretty fair) is a good conversation. His lies about the herbal company (spoiler alert: he was very involved in the company) and his tax plan (spoiler alert: the math doesn't work) are worse, by far.

That said, I don't think this treatment is unusual from the media. This is what the media does to front runners. It's good, in a sense, because people get fully vetted. But it's a bit over the top, to be sure.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I owe you an apology. My memory was faulty. Looking back at it, I was actually answering this post;



I was just answering his question with a little context, vis-à-vis that particular section of the article that was posted. It was NOT an accusation, however, that she killed anyone.

Appreciate it. Let's just go back to ripping IrishJacky on game day.

 

[Cackalacky]

Twitter is Trolling Ben Carson With Ridiculous 'BenCarsonWikipedia' Facts - CollegeHumor Post

Roombas are cyborg anchor babies. Lol

 

[pkt77242]

This West Point thing is hilarious. Holy hell, talk about blowing something out of proportion. This entire thing is 100% semantics. Carson met with the general, and the general probably told him in conversation he'd definitely get in to West Point, and probably stressed that he'd have a scholarship there. That's how the nomination process works, and everyone there obviously gets their school paid for. The end.

Carson is also calling the Politico story total bullshit, because it is. Nowhere in his book did he say that he even applied to West Point... just that he met this general briefly, who probably offered to nominate him and said he'd have a full scholarship. He obviously would've gotten in, so everything checks out unless you want to dive in to phrasing.

All of the people who steadfastly support Hillary and say her enormous amount of lying "doesn't matter" (because it really doesn't) are attacking someone for something that literally does not matter whatsoever. An anecdote about a conversation 45 years ago. Good grief. I thought the media was rough on Brian Kelly... this is next level.

There is so much LEGITIMATE stuff to attack Carson about that why someone would invest time in this BS narrative is beyond my comprehension.

Actually he probably didn't meet Westmoreland didn't happen either though he described it in his book.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/

That reasoning came together Friday morning, after Politico published a story titled "Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship." After confirming that Carson had never applied to West Point, and that a meeting Carson described with Gen. William Westmoreland apparently did not happen when the candidate had claimed, the story quoted Carson campaign manager Barry Bennett's new explanation.

"He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett said. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

West Point cadets must be sponsored by a member of Congress or the Secretary of the Army. But Doug Watts, a spokesman for the campaign, said that Carson never completed -- nor claimed to have completed -- the process for acceptance into West Point, and those never had an official sponsor.

"He was told by the ROTC Commander that he could have an appointment," explained Watts. "Dr. Carson rejected the offer, did not apply or pursue admission. Had he done so, and been accepted, that would have been tantamount to a scholarship, the same that all cadets receive."

In an interview, Carson's close friend Armstrong Williams argued that Politico had written a false headline off of Bennett's accurate quote.

"In the story itself, the campaign does not say Dr. Carson applied to West Point," Williams said of Politico. "Dr. Carson boasts about his scores in ROTC. Westmoreland encourages him to apply. As Dr. Carson says, they were impressed by his scores, but he never applied. They said to him, we could get you in. This guy got into Yale -- obviously he could have got in. The headline was a fabrication."

ETA: Why is he lying about things like that? He had a great story already but he seemed determined to have the "Greatest Story Ever Told" instead. I also do agree that there are other more important issues with him than this.

 

[kmoose]

Actually he probably didn't meet Westmoreland didn't happen either though he described it in his book.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/



ETA: Why is he lying about things like that? He had a great story already but he seemed determined to have the "Greatest Story Ever Told" instead. I also do agree that there are other more important issues with him than this.

Why is Clinton lying about taking sniper fire at an airport? Who knows.......... people with egos that big do some pretty irrational things at times.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Why is Clinton lying about taking sniper fire at an airport? Who knows.......... people with egos that big do some pretty irrational things at times.

Memory is wonky. I know people don't want to believe it, but it's entirely possible that she remembered hearing about sniper fire and placed herself into that scenario. That's actually 100% possible.

There are loads of studies on memory about topics like these. People swear they remember where they were when they heard about the JFK assassination. Most people are wrong.

 

[connor_in]

Where Politico's Ben Carson 'scoop' went wrong - Nov. 6, 2015

 

[GoIrish41]

He is doing what Hillary and Brian Williams did. He got caught, just like they did. It isn't the end of the world, but it is just one in a series of things he has had come out since he's been the front runner. Buckle your chinstrap Ben, presidential politics is a contact sport!

 

[Cackalacky]

30-years of Bernie Sanders Speeches

He is nothing if not remarkably consistent. His speeches from 1989 are.the same as they are today. Not sure what that says about him or what it says about the state of our country.

I would appreciate someone embedding this. I can't. If you do I won't ban you.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm sorry. Too good not to share

 

[BGIF]

30-years of Bernie Sanders Speeches

He is nothing if not remarkably consistent. His speeches from 1989 are.the same as they are today. Not sure what that says about him or what it says about the state of our country.

I would appreciate someone embedding this. I can't. If you do I won't ban you.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RU3NKvvxcSs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[connor_in]

Ben Carson exposed? Not really. - Columbia Journalism Review

Politico Admits Fabricating A Hit Piece On Ben Carson

 

[oddz313]

DNC

DNC

Bernie is the only candidate that I really like but kasich isn't bad on the other side.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Bernie is the only candidate that I really like but kasich isn't bad on the other side.

Kasich is one of the only adults in that room. I think he'll be the VP pick for Rubio.

But his first big effort as governor was taking on Ohio's public unions. It didn't go over well for him. He is not similar to Bernie Sanders in any respect. He just isn't crazy like most of the GOP candidates.

 

[ACamp1900]

Rubio Kasich , either way, could actually win... Not so sure many if any GOP combos have a realistic chance...

 

[Buster Bluth]

Rubio Kasich , either way, could actually win... Not so sure many if any GOP combos have a realistic chance...

Yeah that has to be the thinking at GOP headquarters. But even winning Ohio and Florida isn't enough for them these days. That's pretty remarkable considering history.

 

[GoIrish41]

Yeah that has to be the thinking at GOP headquarters. But even winning Ohio and Florida isn't enough for them these days. That's pretty remarkable considering history.

I agree with this. I'll add that neither Kasich or Rubio strike me as politically compelling enough candidates that I would be sure they could even deliver their home states in the general election. They have their party and its proposals and internal conflict to overcome. I'm not sure they could swing enough independent voters to make the choice to side with the GOP on the domestic economic and social policies that will drive this election season. And they will have plenty of their own party members rubbing the shine off their proposals during the primaries, because the GOP has all but abandoned Reagans 11th commandment. They will react by appealing more to their base so I expect Rubio and Kasich to be much further right on their positions a year from now ... and that just isn't where the country is anymore. We've seen this movie before.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Kasich is one of the only adults in that room. I think he'll be the VP pick for Rubio.

But his first big effort as governor was taking on Ohio's public unions. It didn't go over well for him. He is not similar to Bernie Sanders in any respect. He just isn't crazy like most of the GOP candidates.

This is right. He's generally more reasonable than the rest of the folks on the stage. But he's horrible on education. Right there with Jeb! and others.

 

[Cackalacky]

Not sure I am buying this....

Bernie Sanders Wins WIU's Historically Accurate Mock Election - The Bern ReportThe Bern Report

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[IrishJayhawk]

Mississippi and Georgia, huh? Not putting money on those.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Got to think the WIU track record is going to take a hit after that one. That being said, I do expect them to keep their 100% streak going re: party.

 

[GoIrish41]

Not sure I am buying this....

Bernie Sanders Wins WIU's Historically Accurate Mock Election - The Bern ReportThe Bern Report

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I do not see how they concluded Bush will be the GOP candidate. It seems like he is a sinking ship. I am a Bernie supporter, and have a hard time believing he beats Hillary 2-1 in the primary. That said, I would love to see it play out that way.

 

[Cackalacky]

I do not see how they concluded Bush will be the GOP candidate. It seems like he is a sinking ship. I am a Bernie supporter, and have a hard time believing he beats Hillary 2-1 in the primary. That said, I would love to see it play out that way.

Well there is a lot to question but I don't see that as improbable. He is peppering my tv with adds every break. Probably saw 18 commercials during the ND game yesterday. Even more today during NFL. One of them said his nickname was Veto Corleone and he would "whack" any bills he did not want. Lol. Nice imagery there Bush.

He will probably be the candidate IMO.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Well there is a lot to question but I don't see that as as improbable. He is peppering my tv with adds every break. Probably saw 18 commercials during the ND game yesterday. Even more today during NFL. One of the said his nickname Veto Corleone and he would "whack" any bills he did not want. Lol. Nice imagery there Bush.

He will probably be the candidate IMO.

Based on what? He's done nothing but drop in the polls, he's an establishment guy, he's laying off campaign staff, and not doing anything special in the debates. I'll crack open a celebratory beer when he drops out.

 

[Cackalacky]

Based on what? He's done nothing but drop in the polls, he's an establishment guy, he's laying off campaign staff, and not doing anything special in the debates. I'll crack open a celebratory beer when he drops out.

This is why IMO. He is really the most qualified out of all the candidates and he was the governor of a purple state.