2016 Presidential Horse Race

[GoldenDome]

1) Inflation is the only reason for tuition exploding over the past 10-15 years? Don't think so. As for certain programs that might have to be cut...let's start with philosophy and art history. I think we'll all be OK.

2) You can make the whiny arguments about "favoring the rich" and "income inequality" all you want. My only point in regards to Walker was that his policies on education should be irrelevant consider the feds have absolutely NO business in education. None.

I would argue against #2 in that many college students depend on FAFSA and Pell Grants to further their education. If he cuts Grant tuition and all of a sudden students who were going to college cannot afford to anymore, what would you say?

Would you be in favor of only the wealthy being able to afford higher education if federal grant in aid was slashed simply to balance a lighter tax on the wealthy?

 

[EddytoNow]

1) Inflation is the only reason for tuition exploding over the past 10-15 years? Don't think so. As for certain programs that might have to be cut...let's start with philosophy and art history. I think we'll all be OK.

2) You can make the whiny arguments about "favoring the rich" and "income inequality" all you want. My only point in regards to Walker was that his policies on education should be irrelevant consider the feds have absolutely NO business in education. None.

Not whining, basic principle of supply and demand. If the bottom 90% doesn't have discretionary income to spend, demand falls off the table. Demand drops and job loss isn't far behind. We don't need as many supervisors and bosses if no one is buying. There are plenty of former well-paid middle management types still in search of work. Eventually, even Polish Leppy would be unemployed. Anyone who thinks they are immune from being unemployed needs to think gain.

 

[phgreek]

When liberals suggest that the GOP is out of touch and crazy, remember this poll. How in the world can Trump be leading? That is nutty as hell.

...the funny part of this is, liberals can't see that Hillary is just as offensive a choice...and support for her just as "nutty".

She is a Criminal, by definition. He is an inartful buffoon. Shrug.

 

[connor_in]

Not whining, basic principle of supply and demand. If the bottom 90% doesn't have discretionary income to spend, demand falls off the table. Demand drops and job loss isn't far behind. We don't need as many supervisors and bosses if no one is buying. There are plenty of former well-paid middle management types still in search of work. Eventually, even Polish Leppy would be unemployed. Anyone who thinks they are immune from being unemployed needs to think gain.

But unemployment is only at 5.3% (almost statistical full employment) according to reports and we are in a recovery

 

[brick4956]

True unemployment is probably around 10-11%

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not whining, basic principle of supply and demand. If the bottom 90% doesn't have discretionary income to spend, demand falls off the table. Demand drops and job loss isn't far behind. We don't need as many supervisors and bosses if no one is buying. There are plenty of former well-paid middle management types still in search of work. Eventually, even Polish Leppy would be unemployed. Anyone who thinks they are immune from being unemployed needs to think gain.

Nah man it's just a matter of how lazy you are being. Go out there and get a job doofus!

 

[phgreek]

But unemployment is only at 5.3% (almost statistical full employment) according to reports and we are in a recovery

Easy now that gets us into that arena like ACA where I get a vein throbbing on my forehead

...its a tax, no its not

...Its 5.3%, masses of people need help...

It just really depends on if you are campaigning, or strapping one on to put to the "1%", and its ok everybody does it...its not really a big deal so long as we get what we want.

 

[phgreek]

True unemployment is probably around 10-11%

No way...

 

[GoIrish41]

...the funny part of this is, liberals can't see that Hillary is just as offensive a choice...and support for her just as "nutty".

She is a Criminal, by definition. He is an inartful buffoon. Shrug.

C'mon man ... I don't care for her myself, but Trump offended every person of Mexican decent DURING HIS ANNOUNCEMENT for president. According to this genius everyone who comes to this country from there is either a murderer or rapist (but I am sure some are nice people). And instead of walking it back he has let it ride since then, getting a little more racist and a little more batshit every day. Yesterday he said that after 911 we should have invaded Mexico. Mexico, for Christ sakes! Those comments should be offensive to anyone who has a functioning brain. He may be stupider than Sarah Palin! And that is saying something, my friend.

A criminal, by definition, that has never been convicted of a crime? I like you, man, but we both know that is a reach. Look, I am by no means a fan of Hillary but she is not even in the same universe of Donald Trump stupid and crazy. He is a fucking cartoon!

If I was a republican I would be ashamed that there would even be a possibility that he could be ahead in the presidential primary in my party.

 

[Cackalacky]

Trump was so out of line that even Rinse Preebus told him he needed to calm the rhetoric down. Then he goes out and triples down. Lol. I am embarrassed he even gets a chance at being president. What a sad narrative for our country.

 

[phgreek]

C'mon man ... I don't care for her myself, but Trump offended every person of Mexican decent DURING HIS ANNOUNCEMENT for president. According to this genius everyone who comes to this country from there is either a murderer or rapist (but I am sure some are nice people). And instead of walking it back he has let it ride since then, getting a little more racist and a little more batshit every day. Yesterday he said that after 911 we should have invaded Mexico. Mexico, for Christ sakes! Those comments should be offensive to anyone who has a functioning brain. He may be stupider than Sarah Palin! And that is saying something, my friend.

A criminal, by definition, that has never been convicted of a crime? I like you, man, but we both know that is a reach. Look, I am by no means a fan of Hillary but she is not even in the same universe of Donald Trump stupid and crazy. He is a fucking cartoon!

He is inartful, and a buffoon...I agree. He makes my head hurt. But Mrs. Clinton is indeed a criminal on a number of counts based on her admissions regarding the establishment and disposition of her server. She also has been shown to have destroyed material that was indeed not personal in nature, and thus violated a subpeona, and Federal law related to records handling. You can overlook those things if you want, but infosec, as we well know now (thanks OPM) is a HUGE problem, and a National security issue. Not only is she a criminal, but also THE posterchild for the infosec problem...that is, leadership doesn't take it seriously, and the culture they've created has lead to unnecessary vulnerability...She simply can't be seen as a competent practitioner of security...and we want to her to lead security policy decisions? Trump is Crazy, and out of touch. Clinton is criminal, and incapable of understanding security beyond her own body guards.

 

[woolybug25]

C'mon man ... I don't care for her myself, but Trump offended every person of Mexican decent DURING HIS ANNOUNCEMENT for president. According to this genius everyone who comes to this country from there is either a murderer or rapist (but I am sure some are nice people). And instead of walking it back he has let it ride since then, getting a little more racist and a little more batshit every day. Yesterday he said that after 911 we should have invaded Mexico. Mexico, for Christ sakes! Those comments should be offensive to anyone who has a functioning brain. He may be stupider than Sarah Palin! And that is saying something, my friend.

A criminal, by definition, that has never been convicted of a crime? I like you, man, but we both know that is a reach. Look, I am by no means a fan of Hillary but she is not even in the same universe of Donald Trump stupid and crazy. He is a fucking cartoon!

If I was a republican I would be ashamed that there would even be a possibility that he could be ahead in the presidential primary in my party.

He said that as Prez he would charge Mexico $100k for every illegal immigrant and "Bomb the hell out of Iraq's oil fields".

It's a scary world when a tv shock celeb with no real credentials can legitimately contend for the Presidency.

 

[woolybug25]

He is inartful, and a buffoon...I agree. He makes my head hurt. But Mrs. Clinton is indeed a criminal on a number of counts based on her admissions regarding the establishment and disposition of her server. She also has been shown to have destroyed material that was indeed not personal in nature, and thus violated a subpeona, and Federal law related to records handling. You can overlook those things if you want, but infosec, as we well know now (thanks OPM) is a HUGE problem, and a National security issue. Not only is she a criminal, but also THE posterchild for the infosec problem...that is, leadership doesn't take it seriously, and the culture they've created has lead to unnecessary vulnerability...She simply can't be seen as a competent practitioner of security...and we want to her to lead security policy decisions? Trump is Crazy, and out of touch. Clinton is criminal, and incapable of understanding security beyond her own body guards.

She's not a criminal because she will never be charged with a crime. You may think that she should, but the fact remains that she is not an actual criminal. You're sounding a shade of "birther" right now. Argue points with less tinfoil, they work better.

 

[phgreek]

He said that as Prez he would charge Mexico $100k for every illegal immigrant and "Bomb the hell out of Iraq's oil fields".

It's a scary world when a tv shock celeb with no real credentials can legitimately contend for the Presidency.

He is not electable, and he frustrates me with how he does things...but I disagree with the bolded. We went the rounds before on it, but I think he has a pretty good head for Money issues. I think he is a pretty smart guy. I don't think he even takes himself all that seriously as a candidate, because why would you say that incendiary stuff?

 

[phgreek]

She's not a criminal because she will never be charged with a crime. You may think that she should, but the fact remains that she is not an actual criminal. You're sounding a shade of "birther" right now. Argue points with less tinfoil, they work better.

Tin foil...what am I paranoid about.

She had a server with government content...and now we know sensitive government content offsite...at her house. Thats a Crime from the start. She then proceeded to destroy records which have been shown to be government documents, and by definition owned by the Federal Government...she said she did. That is a criminal act. When someone admits to doing a criminal act, I really don't need a prosecutor to tell me she is a criminal.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not sure what's more racist and offensive, what Trump said or random 'enlightened white person' stating "every single person of Mexican decent is offended by him"... Tell those simples migrants more of what they think....

 

[Cackalacky]

I am offended he is human

 

[Buster Bluth]

Tin foil...what am I paranoid about.

She had a server with government content...and now we know sensitive government content offsite...at her house. Thats a Crime from the start. She then proceeded to destroy records which have been shown to be government documents, and by definition owned by the Federal Government...she said she did. That is a criminal act. When someone admits to doing a criminal act, I really don't need a prosecutor to tell me she is a criminal.

I would love to see the Clintons get destroyed but I think you're kidding yourself if you think they didn't consult an army of lawyers before doing all of that. They had their asses covered from the start.

 

[woolybug25]

Tin foil...what am I paranoid about.

She had a server with government content...and now we know sensitive government content offsite...at her house. Thats a Crime from the start. She then proceeded to destroy records which have been shown to be government documents, and by definition owned by the Federal Government...she said she did. That is a criminal act. When someone admits to doing a criminal act, I really don't need a prosecutor to tell me she is a criminal.

You need her to be charged though... You cannot call a person a criminal when they haven't been charged with a crime. It's simple cause and effect.

That's like calling someone who happens to own an oven, a baker. It's not true until there's buns in the oven.

That's why your accusatory comments seem laughable. Because they are completely false by definition. I don't like Hillary, but I wont call her a criminal because she simply isn't until she is charged with a crime. So you cannot state that "it's crazy that a criminal is running for President"... because none are actually running.

 

[EddytoNow]

Tin foil...what am I paranoid about.

She had a server with government content...and now we know sensitive government content offsite...at her house. Thats a Crime from the start. She then proceeded to destroy records which have been shown to be government documents, and by definition owned by the Federal Government...she said she did. That is a criminal act. When someone admits to doing a criminal act, I really don't need a prosecutor to tell me she is a criminal.

I guess we can do away with our judicial system. Who needs to waste time and money on an actual trial when we have phgreek to identify all the criminals for us? While we're at it, I guess we might as well do away with due process. No evidence. No proof. No problem. phgreek knows who's good and who's bad.

Fortunately, repeating accusations over and over does not make someone guilty in the United States.

 

[Cackalacky]

Just think of it.... "Political Minority Report"....Pre-cogs catching politcal criminals before the commit their crimes. Would there even be a government. Libertarians wouldnt like it though.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'm not sure what's more racist and offensive, what Trump said or random 'enlightened white person' stating "every single person of Mexican decent is offended by him"... Tell those simples migrants more of what they think....

Let me help. It was his comments. Definitely his comments!

 

[phgreek]

I would love to see the Clintons get destroyed but I think you're kidding yourself if you think they didn't consult an army of lawyers before doing all of that. They had their asses covered from the start.

I don't think they could have anticipated her conduct. So yea I'll concede the point that she may have thought she had precedent somewhere to set up an email server off site which would make it unlikely she'd be prosecuted. But it is not legal to do so...pretty clear. There is simply no way lawyers could have anticipated her destroying the server, the timing of it...and what was destroyed beyond personal correspondence.

 

[nico7980]

He is not electable, and he frustrates me with how he does things...but I disagree with the bolded. We went the rounds before on it, but I think he has a pretty good head for Money issues. I think he is a pretty smart guy. I don't think he even takes himself all that seriously as a candidate, because why would you say that incendiary stuff?

A good head for money? This guy is a disaster for the Republican party. Let's start with the "good head for money" part. This guy has filed for bankruptcy 4 freaking times. Do any of you know ANYONE who's filed for bankruptcy once? Much less 4 times. What Trump does is play the system. Very well I may add. Most ppl that file for bankruptcy do it as a last resort. And when they do. They don't have millions of dollars protected because of it. Most have a couple thousand if that. When he does this. He still has the money to go out and invest again.
So he does. And when he sees that his investment is falling flat. He files. R&R.
Most common folks don't have that luxury afforded to them.

This is the same guy. Who not long ago. Was a huge fan of BO and Hillary. All of a sudden. He can't stand them both. Trump is a conman and as of now. The GOP base is his next target.

Can anyone tell me what his policy on anything is? Just a matter of time before he brings up Benghazi. The guy will make sure the Latino vote stays strongly democratic for generations. If he gets the nod.

 

[phgreek]

You need her to be charged though... You cannot call a person a criminal when they haven't been charged with a crime. It's simple cause and effect.

That's like calling someone who happens to own an oven, a baker. It's not true until there's buns in the oven.

That's why your accusatory comments seem laughable. Because they are completely false by definition. I don't like Hillary, but I wont call her a criminal because she simply isn't until she is charged with a crime. So you cannot state that "it's crazy that a criminal is running for President"... because none are actually running.

K...what do you call someone who openly admits to committing a crime, but is not prosecuted? I mean its not "alleged"...she said she did it. Apparently "criminal" can't be used in this case...so you tell me what doesn't offend your sensibilities...ok she is whatever the hell that is. Can I say she engaged in criminal activity by her own admission...seems like alot of words for criminal...but hey, whatever makes everyone tolerate it.

 

[GoIrish41]

I don't think they could have anticipated her conduct. So yea I'll concede the point that she may have thought she had precedent somewhere to set up an email server off site which would make it unlikely she'd be prosecuted. But it is not legal to do so...pretty clear. There is simply no way lawyers could have anticipated her destroying the server, the timing of it...and what was destroyed beyond personal correspondence.

You don't think she might have been checking with them every step of the way? Look, I do not like her for the same reasons, but it is a big reach to call someone a criminal who has not been convicted, or as wooly said, charged with a crime. I think her husband was a good president, but I did not vote for him either ... For the same reasons. Always something shady surrounding those two. You would think they would understand the optics a little better, but they are not criminals.

 

[phgreek]

A good head for money? This guy is a disaster for the Republican party. Let's start with the "good head for money" part. This guy has filled for bankruptcy 4 freaking times. Do any of you know ANYONE who's filled for bankruptcy once? Much less 4 times. What Trump does is play the system. Very well I may add. Most ppl that file for bankruptcy do it as a last resort. And when they do. They don't have millions of dollars protected because of it. Most have a couple thousand if that. When he does this. He still has the money to go out and invest again.
So he does. And when he sees that his investment is falling flat. He files. R&R.
Most common folks don't have that luxury afforded to them.

This is the same guy. Who not long ago. Was a huge fan of BO and Hillary. All of a sudden. He can't stand them both. Trump is a conman and as of now. The GOP base is his next target.

Can anyone tell me what his policy on anything is? Just a matter of time before he brings up Benghazi. The guy will make sure the Latino vote stays strongly democratic for generations. If he gets the nod.

He avails himself of the protections available...and if you think abuse of bankruptcy laws is limited to the 1%...I don't know how to even begin to discuss that. I'd ask if anyone doesn't know someone who went bankrupt circa 2008. As well, if you don't know successful business people who've had multiple ventures go bankrupt, you need to get out more.

He understands money, economy just fine.

And as for his take on BO and Hillary...he "evolved". Both of Hillary and BO apposed Gay marriage...and I can't think of a better example of politicians "evolving" for expediency purposes. So yea, Donald evolved for political expediency purposes...seems all the rage these days.

He is not getting the nod...not even sure he'd actually go that far. Anyway, as the field narrows other serious candidates will grow their percentages, and he won't.

 

[woolybug25]

K...what do you call someone who openly admits to committing a crime, but is not prosecuted? I mean its not "alleged"...she said she did it. Apparently "criminal" can't be used in this case...so you tell me what doesn't offend your sensibilities...ok she is whatever the hell that is. Can I say she engaged in criminal activity by her own admission...seems like alot of words for criminal...but hey, whatever makes everyone tolerate it.

I didn't realize you were such an astute student of the law. Obviously you are so smart that you understand what she did better than every prosecuting attorney in the country. Since none of them are willing to even attempt charging her for any of the crimes you so clearly articulate.

and it's "a lot" not "alot"...

 

[phgreek]

You don't think she might have been checking with them every step of the way? Look, I do not like her for the same reasons, but it is a big reach to call someone a criminal who has not been convicted, or as wooly said, charged with a crime. I think her husband was a good president, but I did not vote for him either ... For the same reasons. Always something shady surrounding those two. You would think they would understand the optics a little better, but they are not criminals.

No I don't. I honestly do not know a lawyer who can read the laws associated with Government records, and further the conduct of handling records when you are under investigation/subpeona and give the thumbs up to Delete the contents of the server...NONE.

I do know some that would come in after the fact to look at precedent of known conduct of others to try and mitigate the issue, and try and negotiate non-prosecution. I just can't see a lawyer advising her to do what she did...I mean that could be their career especially related to advising a client to dlete records while under investigation...I mean thats like shredding documents...no lawyer would tell you to do that...they'd defend you after.

 

[woolybug25]

No I don't. I honestly do not know a lawyer who can read the laws associated with Government records, and further the conduct of handling records when you are under investigation/subpeona and give the thumbs up to Delete the contents of the server...NONE.

I do know some that would come in after the fact to look at precedent of known conduct of others to try and mitigate the issue, and try and negotiate non-prosecution. I just can't see a lawyer advising her to do what she did...I mean that could be their career especially related to advising a client to dlete records while under investigation...I mean thats like shredding documents...no lawyer would tell you to do that...they'd defend you after.

Seriously, you're not a freaking lawyer. Quit acting like you know definitively that she broke specific laws, because you don't. You're spouting off some BS that you have compiled together into a theory. If you were even half as right as you demand us all to acknowledge, she would have been charged with the crime that you are CERTAIN she committed.

Sheesh.