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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>An in-depth <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> offensive spring football review with <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeDenbrock">@MikeDenbrock</a> - <a href="http://t.co/cJu4LMsbMZ">http://t.co/cJu4LMsbMZ</a></p>— FIDM (@NDfidm) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDfidm/status/587987317123641345">April 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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"so we can structure this thing (offense) and build on some of the things we did against LSU" ~ Coach Denbrock

hopeful translation: "we plan on running it at least 60% of the time"

Against the SEC's best defense, we ran it 66% and came away with a W. I don't know what else we need to know, except that our line should be improved and our RBs have more experience.
 
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I don't understand what is going on with Martini, as well.

He looked like he moved pretty good for a freshman this past season, and is a pretty big boy, as well.
 

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If Coach Gilmore wants a ten-man DLine rotation, i don't get the writer's statement about lack of depth along the defensive line. Let's look at the ten man target:
1]. Day
2]. Rochell
3]. Jones
4]. Okwara {everything I'm hearing says these four will start}
5]. Trumbetti
6]. Hayes
7]. Tillery
8]. Cage {seems awfully good for a second group}
9]. Bonner
10]. Everybody else {which includes some real studs}.
ex. Blankenship, Dew-Treadway, Mokwuah, Matuska

Hard for me to buy the fear that our DLine won't be deep in the Fall.
 

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So Kolin Hill isn't playing DE? Still a LB? I've got to say, one of the most disappointing things to me is that he isn't getting hyped as a pass rush specialist. I've seen little-to-no press on him and I really thought he'd be a factor.

Yea, I find it "interesting" to say the least that we move Randolph to WDE and Hill to LB. I was also really hoping he'd be coming into his own as an edge guy. However, it doesn't even sound like he's getting reps/practice at it.
 

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If Coach Gilmore wants a ten-man DLine rotation, i don't get the writer's statement about lack of depth along the defensive line. Let's look at the ten man target:
1]. Day
2]. Rochell
3]. Jones
4]. Okwara {everything I'm hearing says these four will start}
5]. Trumbetti
6]. Hayes
7]. Tillery
8]. Cage {seems awfully good for a second group}
9]. Bonner
10]. Everybody else {which includes some real studs}.
ex. Blankenship, Dew-Treadway, Mokwuah, Matuska


Hard for me to buy the fear that our DLine won't be deep in the Fall.

Let me say that I agree and I think our depth over the next 4 months will look pretty good. Its productive depth and the bolded above are largely unproductive players to this point. We expect improvement therefore we think we have depth. Some look at is as what have you done to this point and in doing so the bolded doesn't pass that criteria.
 

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Wasn't sure where to post this, and it definitely doesn't need a separate thread, but:

Really hoping that whoever loses out between Nelson/Bars can be a guy who we can bring in as a 6th OL in short-yardage situations. Might be odd to do so with a Guard, but they both have good length, and it wouldn't exactly require any cross-training to have a guy come in exclusively in short-yardage to be a mauler.
 

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SOUTH BEND —The biggest dose of culture shock for new Notre Dame defensive line coach Keith Gilmore, and a welcome one at that, did not come from his own position group.
It was provided courtesy of the Irish offensive line.
Gilmore coached against that group last Oct. 11, when his North Carolina team visited Notre Dame Stadium in an eventual 50-43 Irish survival of the Tar Heels.
“That game kind of got out of control, so I kind of lost my mind,” Gilmore said Monday with a laugh, of the highest-scoring game in ND Stadium history, and one that netted a combined 57 first downs and 1,019 yards of total offense.
“Working with them (the O-line) every day (now), they’re a lot more physical than I would have thought. I kind of thought of them as more of a passing/finesse-type team.
“But now after practicing against these guys every day, I see they really can come off the ball and be physical at the point of attack.”
Gilmore’s mission this spring, with only a Wednesday walk-through and Saturday’s Blue-Gold Game remaining, has been to coax that kind of transformation out of his own guys, easily the biggest unknown of all the Irish position groups heading into the 2015 season, just as it was in 2014, before he arrived.
There are plenty of bodies, swelling to 18 when incoming freshmen Brandon Tiassum, Elijah Taylor and Bo Wallace — and perhaps exiled senior end Ishaq Williams — are tacked onto the roster in June.
But so many of a group that comprises more than 20 percent of ND’s total scholarship players are trying to move away from being inexperienced, one-dimensional or both, as Gilmore is tasked with a mass player-development project.
That project started, though, with some common ground between Gilmore and the group of largely unfinished products.
“When it comes to football and young men, that’s not an issue,” said Gilmore, a 30-year coaching veteran with a history of coaching with Irish head coach Brian Kelly but rejoining him for the first time since 2008. “I’ve been doing this a long time.
“I’m very comfortable coaching the position, but just learning the defense and being able to help them in that respect and just knowing the ins and outs of what the defense was all about, that was my biggest challenge.”
Teaching him the complex, blitz-heavy, nuance-laden defense has been second-year Irish defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder, Gilmore’s college teammate at Wayne State, where Gilmore played defensive end and VanGorder inside linebacker in the early to mid ’80s.
“It was a lot like it is now — him bossing me around,” Gilmore said with a chuckle. “No, it was good. We had a good time. We played hard and worked hard, and not much has changed. He’s the same guy in that respect. He was that dynamic leader as a player and same way as a coach.”
The conceptual part of the defense the two now coach in versus the one in which they played are worlds apart.
“It’s a lot more diverse than what I’ve been used to,” said Gilmore, whose coaching path last crossed with VanGorder’s 21 seasons ago, at their alma mater. “It’s been a lot of fun for me to learn some new things in football. I think that we have answers for a lot of things. I think it taxes the kids and makes them learn the game.
“It’s a little bit more detailed than a lot of college football teams, but you’ve got to pay attention to the little things. There are some nuances that you have to coach up. But I think it’s a good deal. I like it.”
As far as personnel, the best thing to like was something that occurred a few weeks before Gilmore was added to the payroll. The one player on the defensive line with proven star power, senior-to-be defensive tackle Sheldon Day, elected to remain at Notre Dame in 2015 rather than cannonballing into the NFL Draft pool.
Only in the last week, though, did Gilmore get his first live look at the line with Day in it at full speed. Up until then, the 6-foot-2, 285-pounder was held out of contact drills and scrimmages as a precautionary measure following a knee injury late last season.
“Exciting,” Gilmore said of the full-go, full-tilt version of Day. “He brings that leadership to us, and he’s a good football player. He makes some plays for us. He gets other guys around him to play hard and play better.”
Other key figures to emerge so far are junior-to-be defensive end Isaac Rochell, universally touted among the Irish coaches as ND’s most improved pass-rusher, 19-year-old senior-to-be Romeo Okwara at the other end spot, freshman prodigy Jerry Tillery at both inside spots, and sophomore-to-be Andrew Trumbetti at both edge spots.
Sophomore-to-be Jay Hayes, who put on 20 pounds over the winter to get to 285 on a 6-3 frame, has gained some traction recently at defensive tackle.
Gilmore mentioned redshirted freshman Jonathan Bonner and sophomore-to-be Daniel Cage were surging into the picture too when each suffered an injury. Senior-to-be Jarron Jones, the 2014 starter at nose guard, is still recovering from December foot surgery and will have to overtake Tillery in the fall to keep that status.
“The thing with Jerry is he has enough athleticism in that once he does get high, he can reload himself and re-leverage himself and get back into a good football position,” Gilmore said of the 6-7, 300-pound early enrollee.
“He’s an exceptional athlete that way, where he can start off bad and then it ends up OK, just because of his athleticism.
“He’s kind of a one-mistake guy, which is a really good thing in football. He’s a really good student, a smart kid. The thing that I see that I’m really excited about is that he doesn’t get rattled. Like a lot of young kids, they make a mistake and you rip their tails, they go in the tank.
"He doesn’t do that. He shakes his head, ‘OK coach, I’ve got it.’ And (he) goes to the next play and acts like nothing ever happened. That’s a big plus for him.”
The plan in September moving forward is a rotation of eight to 10, with the hope that academically suspended Ishaq Williams is one of them.
“I’ve seen him on film,” Gilmore said of the 2014 projected starter with whom Kelly is expected to meet later this month about the player’s future. “I’m not sure how that’s going to all play out, so I’m preparing as if he’s not (coming back). But if he is, I’ll be glad to embrace that.”
Just as he embraces the players who aren’t projecting into the rotation this season, but who could emerge in future seasons. Among those with a perceived high ceiling, and yet the one with perhaps greatest distance between that potential and the reality of the moment, is sophomore-to-be Jhonny Williams.
Teammates raved about the 6-foot-4, 260-pound Benton Harbor product’s speed and raw ability last August in training camp, but the challenge for Williams at this juncture is that his talent remains largely raw.
“His biggest thing is to get in his playbook and understand what he’s doing a little bit more and just spend a little more time in learning football,” Gilmore said of the later bloomer in high school.
“There’s a big learning curve, just learning the nuances and learning the defenses and that sort of thing, learning how to play with leverage and being a physical football player. He plays like an athlete, like a basketball kid that you juke around and play high.
“He needs to be a real football player as opposed to an athlete just playing football. Young men mature at different rates and, for whatever reason, the light comes on at different times, but he has that length, he has that physical ability. We’ll just keep working with him, and hopefully it happens soon.”
Effort is his biggest ally, according to Gilmore. The same can be said for the others pushing for a spot in the fall rotation. Pass rush, for instance, he said is mostly about desire.
“With young guys just learning how to be mentally and physically tough every day is probably the toughest thing,” Gilmore said. “Those guys have talent, but on the D-line, it’s not a lot of fun some days.
“You’ve got to play with bad hands, and your shoulders are hurting and all those sorts of
 

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This is the enigma of coach Kelly:

“That game kind of got out of control, so I kind of lost my mind,” Gilmore said Monday with a laugh, of the highest-scoring game in ND Stadium history, and one that netted a combined 57 first downs and 1,019 yards of total offense.
“Working with them (the O-line) every day (now), they’re a lot more physical than I would have thought. I kind of thought of them as more of a passing/finesse-type team.

Kelly simultaneously trains a tough, physical line that can really steamroll teams when the game plan calls for it. But as a "take what they give you" coach, he gets away from that huge advantage way too quickly.
 

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So Kolin Hill isn't playing DE? Still a LB? I've got to say, one of the most disappointing things to me is that he isn't getting hyped as a pass rush specialist. I've seen little-to-no press on him and I really thought he'd be a factor.

I agree. Especially with all the mention of the lack of pass rush from the DL and Kolin's strength is getting after the QB. Seems obvious to me for him to move into the DL on passing downs until an every down type player steps up his pass rush.
 

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This is the enigma of coach Kelly:

“That game kind of got out of control, so I kind of lost my mind,” Gilmore said Monday with a laugh, of the highest-scoring game in ND Stadium history, and one that netted a combined 57 first downs and 1,019 yards of total offense.
“Working with them (the O-line) every day (now), they’re a lot more physical than I would have thought. I kind of thought of them as more of a passing/finesse-type team.

Kelly simultaneously trains a tough, physical line that can really steamroll teams when the game plan calls for it. But as a "take what they give you" coach, he gets away from that huge advantage way too quickly.

Yuck. So opposing coaches know we're soft.
 

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Injuries left their mark on Notre Dame’s defense last fall in the second half of the season.


Linebacker Joe Schmidt is unable to participate in contact drills during spring practice.
And once again, Irish defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder finds the potential of his linebacker group stunted by an ankle injury suffered by Mike (middle) linebacker Joe Schmidt in November.

VanGorder is hopeful that because of depth added to Mike linebacker following the return of Jarrett Grace, the Irish can cross-train Schmidt at Will (weakside) linebacker and shift current Will linebacker Jaylon Smith over to a position on the outside.

But Monday marked the first day this spring Schmidt was able to participate in non-contact drills. With only one practice remaining before the annual Blue-Gold spring game, the Irish coaching staff will have to wait until August to get a thorough look with Schmidt and Smith in different roles than they played last fall.

“I’d say that just depends on how the backup Will linebackers come along,” VanGorder said about the possibility of moving Smith to Sam (strongside) linebacker. “We’ll cross-train, possibly cross-train Joe (Schmidt), who is very bright. Like him at Will. That’s ideal in our system, we start cross-training linebackers. We just haven’t had the ability to do so here.”

VanGorder would have preferred to cross-train linebackers as early as last spring when he first arrived at Notre Dame. But Grace had just undergone his second surgery, and the original prognosis that had him returning for the 2014 season was inaccurate after he suffered more setbacks in the fall.

As a result of the shortage in depth, Smith was moved to Will linebacker. Freshman Nyles Morgan played the final month of the season as Notre Dame’s starting Mike linebacker because of Schmidt’s injury. Any hope VanGorder had of cross-training the linebackers diminished with the numbers of players available to him.

Smith’s only seen playing time at Sam linebacker in a couple of practices this spring. And based on current numbers at the position, VanGorder has to continue to wait before he can cross-train certain linebackers and make any moves.

“Last year we were just real short at numbers and we got injuries,” VanGorder said. “We come into spring ball and Joe’s not here, and we’ve got a backup Will linebacker (Te’von Coney) who just came from high school, that you’re trying to see how he’s going to come along.

“Now he’s injured, battling some things. We’re holding ourselves back with the guys that are not participating in practice. Second half of the season, that’s what it’s been, spring ball, that’s kind of what it’s been.”

The downfall of the situation at linebacker is that the likes of Greer Martini, Coney and Morgan are going through the motions without having an opportunity to observe a more experienced linebacker.

But VanGorder said the problems also give the younger linebackers an opportunity to make a case for playing time.

“It’s frustrating,” he said. “But again, at the same time, our goal, our job, is to keep developing, improving players. And hey, we’re all aware of scenarios in sport where a guy gets his opportunity, takes advantage of it and it means a lot down the road. They become a starter, they become a key role player.

“So we’ve got a lot of guys with the opportunity and we’ve got to stay excited about that.”

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Jaylon Smith (2)
Te’von Coney (4)
Michael Deeb (3)

Mike

Nyles Morgan (3)
Jarrett Grace (1*)
Joe Schmidt (1)

Sam

James Onwualu (2)
Greer Martini (3)
Kolin Hill (3)

Asterisk denotes possibility for a medical redshirt in 2016
 

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Yuck. So opposing coaches know we're soft.

But the point was we aren't soft. I think he was saying that he assumed they were a finesse team, because of all the passing we do, but he was surprised how physical they actually are.

Do you think LSU would say our line is soft?
 

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But the point was we aren't soft. I think he was saying that he assumed they were a finesse team, because of all the passing we do, but he was surprised how physical they actually are.

Do you think LSU would say our line is soft?

What's he going to say???

"I got here and thought, damn I was right! We're soft as shit!"

When he was at UNC, he saw a "finesse" team and thats exactly what we are. Lets do it for more than one game.
 

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This is the enigma of coach Kelly:

“That game kind of got out of control, so I kind of lost my mind,” Gilmore said Monday with a laugh, of the highest-scoring game in ND Stadium history, and one that netted a combined 57 first downs and 1,019 yards of total offense.
“Working with them (the O-line) every day (now), they’re a lot more physical than I would have thought. I kind of thought of them as more of a passing/finesse-type team.

Kelly simultaneously trains a tough, physical line that can really steamroll teams when the game plan calls for it. But as a "take what they give you" coach, he gets away from that huge advantage way too quickly.

This team is not soft-in the past they have been but this team is not soft. When they say they were happy to test themselves against a sec power team on prove it- this team is not soft. The game wasn't close except for they best athlete on the field breaking 3 long touchdown runs like a Pop Warner game. I don't see them losing many games this year and everyone knows I'm from the Holtz school of poor mouthing my team. This year they are going the win a $%#@pot of games.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>One option <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> considering this spring @ times is playing CJ Prosise in one slot&Amir Carlisle in other slot, in lieu of a tight end</p>— Tim Prister (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/588313758080053248">April 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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^In other words, operating with a true spread formation lol
 

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^In other words, operating with a true spread formation lol

A real spread. Imagine that. Have we ever gone with 4 WRs for a single play under BK? Even on the 4th and 20 play against FSU on the final drive, I think we had Koyack and a RB out there. Every time we go 5-wide, it's with a TE and a RB. Most years we haven't had the skill at WR where I would want us throwing that many guys out there, but I would have loved to have seen it this past year when we went 5-deep there.
 
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A real spread. Imagine that. Have we ever gone with 4 WRs for a single play under BK? Even on the 4th and 20 play against FSU on the final drive, I think we had Koyack and a RB out there. Every time we go 5-wide, it's with a TE and a RB. Most years we haven't had the skill at WR where I would want us throwing that many guys out there, but I would have loved to have seen it this past year when we went 5-deep there.

I feel like we've seen plenty of 4 WR sets, but it's usually a trips formation that includes "big" WR at an inside position.

I feel like last season we saw Fuller and Brown on the outside, with Carlisle and Robinson on the inside to the trips side. I might be completely making that up though.

*EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I'm actually astounded that we haven't seen a true, balanced, spread formation with 4 WR. BK loves to beat defenses with matchups, but you would think that having both Carlisle and Prosise out there at the same time opposite one another at the "inside" positions would have been nice to try last year, considering the issues it would create with the defense accounting for all that speed.
 
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I feel like we've seen plenty of 4 WR sets, but it's usually a trips formation that includes "big" WR at an inside position.

I feel like last season we saw Fuller and Brown on the outside, with Carlisle and Robinson on the inside to the trips side. I might be completely making that up though.

*EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I'm actually astounded that we haven't seen a true, balanced, spread formation with 4 WR. BK loves to beat defenses with matchups, but you would think that having both Carlisle and Prosise out there at the same time opposite one another at the "inside" positions would have been nice to try last year, considering the issues it would create with the defense accounting for all that speed.

I'm not doubting you, but I really can't recall any without a TE. The Offensive PI call at FSU on the goal line came with 3 WRs lined up to the right and Koyack on the left lined up at TE. I need to re-watch more games haha I'm sure BK would have thrown 4 WRs out there for the same play at some point....
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> Brian Kelly says Kolin Hill playing Sam LB, but puts hand on the ground in pass situations, like last year.</p>— Tim Prister (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/588342992215396352">April 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kolin Hill and Doug Randolph both working as weak side defensive ends in specific pass-rush packages.</p>— Lou Somogyi (@BGI_LouSomogyi) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_LouSomogyi/status/588342765534183424">April 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly said 5th-year decisions should be finalized soon. Golson, Carlisle, Martin, Hounshell, Farley, Grace and Schmidt submitted apps.</p>— Rachel Terlep (@eTruth_Irish) <a href="https://twitter.com/eTruth_Irish/status/588342720789381123">April 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly said he has used Kolin Hill more as a down player this year, something we did not see during the practices available to the media</p>— Bryan Driskell (@CoachDrisk78) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachDrisk78/status/588342451934466049">April 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Brian Kelly says <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> has until kickoff against Texas to get to 85 players. Compares it to having a salary cap.</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/status/588342401162469376">April 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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