2014 CFB Coaches Hot Seat

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Muschamp 3-3 Metrics

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After a rainout cancellation ...

Florida opened the season with 65-0 route of FCS EMU

They beat UK by 6

Lost to Bama by 21

Beat UTN by 1

Lost to LSU by 3

Lost to Mizzou by 21

They're a -12.5 dog to UGA this week


Then they have Vandy, SC, FCS EKU, and FSU.

With gimme losses to UGA and FSU, they would have to sweep VU, FCS EKU, and Spurrier to get to 6 wins for a bowl, counting two FCS wins among their needed 6.
 

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The thing about Michigan firing Dave Brandon: If they do that, how in the hell are they going to get a decent coach?
They'll need to hire an AD first, and that's frankly a more important hire than a football coach and could take awhile. Then they go coach-shopping. They're already up against Florida, plus who knows what other major programs that might lose a coach to the NFL or somewhere. Timing-wise they almost have to land a Harbaugh. But if they try and fail, it's going to be January before they know that. There goes recruiting. They're already losing recruits left and right, and their three most important peer programs (OSU, MSU, ND) are having good seasons and recruiting well.
This whole thing could set them back for years.
 

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The thing about Michigan firing Dave Brandon: If they do that, how in the hell are they going to get a decent coach?
They'll need to hire an AD first, and that's frankly a more important hire than a football coach and could take awhile. Then they go coach-shopping. They're already up against Florida, plus who knows what other major programs that might lose a coach to the NFL or somewhere. Timing-wise they almost have to land a Harbaugh. But if they try and fail, it's going to be January before they know that. There goes recruiting. They're already losing recruits left and right, and their three most important peer programs (OSU, MSU, ND) are having good seasons and recruiting well.
This whole thing could set them back for years.

I think their saving grace will be that they already have a stacked roster and that this was going to be a very small recruiting class anyway. It wouldn't be as impactful as if they were, say, filling out 25 very needed positions.
 

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I think their saving grace will be that they already have a stacked roster and that this was going to be a very small recruiting class anyway. It wouldn't be as impactful as if they were, say, filling out 25 very needed positions.

They have 9 remaining commits in their current class. A "smaller" class is along the lines of 16 - 20, not 9 (although I'm not suggesting that's where they'll finish).

Stacked roster or not, this class is shaping up to be disastrous for the future. Optimally, every class would be approximately 25 players, allowing for some transfers, injuries, etc. Going much below that number is going to make for some lean years down the road when that class becomes seniors. If I recall correctly, Weis had a 15 man class one year that wound up translating to something like 9 seniors just a few years later, and the lack of senior leadership and experience really hurt us on the field of play.

If Michigan cannot muster at least 15 young men come February, they're going to be hurting in 2017-18.
 

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They have 9 remaining commits in their current class. A "smaller" class is along the lines of 16 - 20, not 9 (although I'm not suggesting that's where they'll finish).

Stacked roster or not, this class is shaping up to be disastrous for the future. Optimally, every class would be approximately 25 players, allowing for some transfers, injuries, etc. Going much below that number is going to make for some lean years down the road when that class becomes seniors. If I recall correctly, Weis had a 15 man class one year that wound up translating to something like 9 seniors just a few years later, and the lack of senior leadership and experience really hurt us on the field of play.

If Michigan cannot muster at least 15 young men come February, they're going to be hurting in 2017-18.



Hoke wants at least 6 defensive players and he's down to 3 and the poachers are circling.

Friday Michigan Recruiting Roundup: Hoke says '15 class will have 16 commits "at most" - Maize n Brew

Hoke says 2015 class will have 16 commits at most

Michigan Wolverines head coach Brady Hoke addressed the 2015 recruiting class in the latest edition of "Inside Michigan Football."

Hoke confirmed that it will be another small class, as they will take "at the most 16" recruits during this cycle, which of course is much smaller than normal classes.

"It's not a big class, No. 1," he said. "So that part of it is very selective. And we've been slower than normal because we're being very selective."

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"As you break down your positions, we want a couple linebackers, a pass rushing defensive ends, you'd like to have another safety and probably two corners," he said. "Offensively, a couple offensive linemen, tight ends are always going to be big part as we keep growing in this offense."
 
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Mike London and recruiting services have killed Virginia Tech. Mike London because even though UVA is no good he's still able to steal a couple 5 stars every year from the 757 that all used to go to Tech. Recruiting services because more and more Virginia talent gets exposure each year now and they're simply not going to beat out major national programs for most kids. They made bank on grabbing zero star kids with four star talent.

Have a friend at work who is a huge VT fan and alum. He follows recruiting very closely, and he says that those well connected to the program are saying it is time for a new coach at VT. He acknowledges that the game seems to have passed Beamer by (from an offensive persective). He said he feels like Beamer always thought that Bud Foster could come up with a scheme to stop emerging spread offenses, but that Beamer refused to ever change his offensive philosphy, which he concludes has resulted in good seasons (offensively) only when they have had a dynamic QB, like Vick, Vick, T.Taylor, who could create something out of nothing. This, he says, is further complicated by Beamer's recruiting, especially as it relates to OL recruiting. His propensity to load up on tight ends and convert those who don't cut it at that position to OL does not seem to match the 28-year veteran coach's desire to run a power running attack. Many of the best players that Va has been able to pull out of Hampton Roads have been linemen who Beamer did not put a whole lot of effort into attracting to Blacksburg.

He is convinced that VT will try to hire the next coach on the cheap, thus compounding their mediocrity. He believes that VT has no interest in hiring a "big name" that will stay for a few years and move on to an SES school to follow the money. His friends in the know about the program seem to be high on Jeff Brohm, the head coach of the Western Ky. Hilltoppers, who was an assistant in the past under Patrino. The only drawback about him is that he doesn't have a direct connection to Virginia Tech, which he feels that the administration at the school will place a premium on.
 

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Hoke wants at least 6 defensive players and he's down to 3 and the poachers are circling.

Friday Michigan Recruiting Roundup: Hoke says '15 class will have 16 commits "at most" - Maize n Brew

Hoke says 2015 class will have 16 commits at most
we want a couple linebackers, a pass rushing defensive ends, you'd like to have another safety and probably two corners," he said. "Offensively, a couple offensive linemen, tight ends are always going to be big part as we keep growing in this offense."

Well hell Fred, that's pretty much every position except QB and the punter! lol
 

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Hoke wants at least 6 defensive players and he's down to 3 and the poachers are circling.

Friday Michigan Recruiting Roundup: Hoke says '15 class will have 16 commits "at most" - Maize n Brew

Hoke says 2015 class will have 16 commits at most


Ha.."selective" is not a word that I would use to describe Michigan's recruiting efforts this year. Does Hoke honestly expect anyone to believe that their class will be dangerously small because they're being "selective" and taking their time? SMH.
 

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Ha.."selective" is not a word that I would use to describe Michigan's recruiting efforts this year. Does Hoke honestly expect anyone to believe that their class will be dangerously small because they're being "selective" and taking their time? SMH.

Western Michigan better put a ring fence on their commits because that's the only place Hoke will be getting guys from now
 

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When VaTech was in the Big East Beamer had back to back 1 loss seasons and back to back 2 loss seasons. Since moving to the ACC in '04 he's only had 1 season with 2 losses.

The past 3 seasons '12-'14 VaTech already has 15 losses with 4 games and a bowl to play. Those are the most losses in a 3 year period since '92.

I have family living in Tidewater, they're VaTech fans, and it seems over the years UVA generally does better recruiting Tidewater. They doesn't do as well with it.

London is already on the Hot Seat, Beamer needs to consider the Rocking Chair, it's not going to get better.

I doubt if either school will do much better with a new coach. Beamer is by far the most successful coach in his school's history. I don't recall UVA even getting much attention in the Others Receiving Votes category over the decades. Changing coaches builds hope and sells tickets. But the schools better spend the $ to upgrade the staff or keep the guys they have and recognize their program is at it's appropriate level of expectation.
 

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Ha.."selective" is not a word that I would use to describe Michigan's recruiting efforts this year. Does Hoke honestly expect anyone to believe that their class will be dangerously small because they're being "selective" and taking their time? SMH.

15 in '15 was the number widely discussed in the media after the last NSD.

Hoke had success out of the gate. UM's class was highly ranked. Then the season began.

The recruits he has left are mostly 4 stars, small group but talented. If UM could hold these 9 and add 3 or 4 4 star caliber prospects they'd still be doing OK. But Looking forward he's going to lose more games and more prospects and will struggle to replace 4 star defectors with comparable talent.
 

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When VaTech was in the Big East Beamer had back to back 1 loss seasons and back to back 2 loss seasons. Since moving to the ACC in '04 he's only had 1 season with 2 losses.

The past 3 seasons '12-'14 VaTech already has 15 losses with 4 games and a bowl to play. Those are the most losses in a 3 year period since '92.

I have family living in Tidewater, they're VaTech fans, and it seems over the years UVA generally does better recruiting Tidewater. They doesn't do as well with it.

London is already on the Hot Seat, Beamer needs to consider the Rocking Chair, it's not going to get better.

I doubt if either school will do much better with a new coach. Beamer is by far the most successful coach in his school's history. I don't recall UVA even getting much attention in the Others Receiving Votes category over the decades. Changing coaches builds hope and sells tickets. But the schools better spend the $ to upgrade the staff or keep the guys they have and recognize their program is at it's appropriate level of expectation.

VA Tech is struggling that's for sure. They haven't had a good QB in years.
 

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15 in '15 was the number widely discussed in the media after the last NSD.

Hoke had success out of the gate. UM's class was highly ranked. Then the season began.

The recruits he has left are mostly 4 stars, small group but talented. If UM could hold these 9 and add 3 or 4 4 star caliber prospects they'd still be doing OK. But Looking forward he's going to lose more games and more prospects and will struggle to replace 4 star defectors with comparable talent.

Sure, I get that 15 might have been the target from the get-go...That doesn't change the fact that a 15 man class puts a team in a precarious position down the road. IMO, classes that small should be avoided when at all possible.

But these are recent quotes...the notion that Hoke's class is the size it is today because they are taking their time and being "very selective"? Hogwash. You've got a losing record and your program is in a dead tailspin. There's nobody standing in line for a serving of the hot mess in Ann Arbor these days.
 

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Sure, I get that 15 might have been the target from the get-go...That doesn't change the fact that a 15 man class puts a team in a precarious position down the road. IMO, classes that small should be avoided when at all possible.

But these are recent quotes...the notion that Hoke's class is the size it is today because they are taking their time and being "very selective"? Hogwash. You've got a losing record and your program is in a dead tailspin. There's nobody standing in line for a serving of the hot mess in Ann Arbor these days.


I agree particularly at schools that don't stock with JUCOs. They have to get it right the first tiem or have to replace 20 year old washouts 2 or 3 years into a program with 18 year old that need to develop bulk, strength, and technique.


UM is down to around 40 in the recruiting class rankings. Their 3.67 average player rating is 4th but there aren't enough bodies.
 

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I expected Hoke to go before Brandon ...

I expected Hoke to go before Brandon ...

Maybe there's hope for an extension.


Reports: Dave Brandon to resign as Michigan athletic director
By Jerry Hinnen | College Football Writer
October 31, 2014 11:33 am ET


Multiple outlets are reporting Friday that the embattled Wolverines athletic director is resigning. Per the Detroit News, Michigan has announcing a press conference scheduled for 1:30 p.m. ET at which time resident Mark Schlissel is expected to discuss Brandon's future with the university.

Brandon has come under increasing fire during the 2014 football season with the program's handling of a concussion suffered by quarterback Shane Morris forcing Brandon into an apology and sparking an on-campus student rally calling for his removal. The athletic department also came under fire for a brief-lived promotion in which fans could receive free tickets to Michigan's home game with Minnesota with the purchase of two 20-ounce Coca-Cola products.
 
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Diaco got a cooler chair today with his first win over a FBS opponent and first conference win over UCF 37-29. There's more points in a game for the season had been 21.

UConn has Army, Cincy, MEM, and SMU left and could reasonably split those.
 

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Muschamp Contract Extension?

Muschamp Contract Extension?

Brilliantly solved his QB passing problem by only throwing the ball 6 times.

UF with 424 rushing yds to 141 for UGA.


Of course Muschamp will now be chided for not running the ball more all season.
 
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Brilliantly solved his QB passing problem by only throwing the ball 6 times.

UF with 424 rushing yds to 141 for UGA.


Of course Muschamp will now be chided for not running the ball more all season.

I am convinced that UGa is scared of Florida and has only won the last three because Muschamp did not realize that fact.
 

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Florida has dismissed Muschamp.

Will Muschamp dismissed by Florida

After seeing Florida fail to put away South Carolina on Saturday, Will Muschamp will no longer be in charge of turning things around in Gainesville. Sports Illustrated is reporting Sunday morning the head coach of the Gators has been dismissed. A national search for a new head coach at Florida will be underway. Muschamp will reportedly coach the final two games of the season, according to Brett McMurphy of ESPN.com.

It started to look as though Muschamp was going to have enough of a case to return for the 2015 season after Florida escaped Tennessee with a win and after upsetting Georgia in Jacksonville. The writing may have been on the wall, and letting one slip away to South Carolina was the final straw.

In four years as head coach Florida, Muschamp was 27-20. The Gators went to and won the Gator Bowl in Muschamp’s first season in Gainesville taking over for Urban Meyer. The downfall of the program began the following season after going 11-1 before being blow out by Louisville in the Sugar Bowl. Florida went 4-8 in 2013 and is now looking at a likely .500 season in 2014.

Florida will be one of the top jobs available on the coaching carousel, and the program should be able to attract some worthy candidates for the job. Dan Mullen of Mississippi State remains one of the more popular names on the Florida fans’ wish list, and for good reason. Despite a loss to Alabama, Mullen has shown an ability to build a program that can compete for the SEC title. Mullen is also a former Florida assistant, so his familiarity with the program makes him a solid candidate for the job. Other former Florida assistants include Charlie Strong (Texas) and Steve Addazio (Boston College). Strong is probably off the table, but Addazio would be interesting. Addazio also left Florida on a bit of a sour note it seemed, at least in the eyes of some.

Muschamp is very likely to be working next season, although the likely path will be as a defensive coordinator.
 

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Colorado State boards are freaking out right now. They are hoping the buyout is enough to keep UF from grabbing Coach Mac. Heck, ND should give him a call. He has a bunch of 0-2 star players performing 100 times better than ND.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised to see Florida go after Kelly. And if I'm Texas a&m I'm all over muschamp.
 
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Surprised that he wouldn't listen to bigger offers.

Like what? Major programs like Michigan and Florida will go for guys with head coach experience. He might be able to get on with a lower-tier Power 5 school like Illinois or Kansas. But in a lot of ways you might be better off at SMU, where you've got good recruiting grounds, an administration that wants to win, and a very beatable schedule. Win 10+ for a couple of years there and you can jump to the big time like Sumlin and Brian Kelly did.
 

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Like what? Major programs like Michigan and Florida will go for guys with head coach experience. He might be able to get on with a lower-tier Power 5 school like Illinois or Kansas. But in a lot of ways you might be better off at SMU, where you've got good recruiting grounds, an administration that wants to win, and a very beatable schedule. Win 10+ for a couple of years there and you can jump to the big time like Sumlin and Brian Kelly did.

was just about to say the same thing. great chance to win games at SMU. No point going somewhere like Kansas and getting curbstomped for a few years and burning your reputation.
 
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That area has been real good recently to some big time current HCs. The real story is what is Dabo gonna do? Rumors are starting to pick up here that he is open to leaving Clemson for another job. Florida is a possiility but I dont know why UF would take him. He is almost garaunteed to lose to USC. ;)
 

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That area has been real good recently to some big time current HCs. The real story is what is Dabo gonna do? Rumors are starting to pick up here that he is open to leaving Clemson for another job. Florida is a possiility but I dont know why UF would take him. He is almost garaunteed to lose to USC. ;)

Dabo will get shown up as the true fraud that he is now that Morris will no longer be part of his staff. Whether this happens at clemson or florida remains to be seen.
 
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