2013 Masters Tournament

[JT_IRISH]

Today should be interesting to say the least.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Today should be interesting to say the least.

I hope he goes out and shoots a 64 then goes to the GC studio and smacks Brandel Chamblee in the face.

Wouldn't mind seeing Rory make a big push today also.

Your avatar is the best on this site that I have seen.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I've gone on a tweet bombing mission today. I've been DM'ing with Jason Sobel for most of the morning about the Tiger issue. He thinks he should be DQ'ed/Withdrawn, and I obviously take the opposite stance.

Pretty cool he has been willing to take the time to DM me though.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I would never watch a golf tournament that didn't have Tiger in it. I'm glad he wasn't booted because the idiots who run the tournament weren't paying attention.

 

[JT_IRISH]

I've gone on a tweet bombing mission today. I've been DM'ing with Jason Sobel for most of the morning about the Tiger issue. He thinks he should be DQ'ed/Withdrawn, and I obviously take the opposite stance.

Pretty cool he has been willing to take the time to DM me though.

That is cool. I think Tiger plays well tomorrow and finishes in the top 10. Snedeker will choke along with Scott and Leishman. Day finishes second but this guy Cabrera just seems to show up in majors and I think he goes low for his second green jacket. Glad Fowler and Furyk are still around. What happened to Freddie? Didn't see the end of the day..

I was rooting for Tiger and Scott to end up playing together but it didn't happen. Gonna be priceless when they do..

 

[jspags10pg]

With all the crazy rules in golf you would think they would have one decent one about what to do when a player hits a shot so good that it hits the pin and ricochets into a hazard that doesn't involve penalizing the player for a great shot. Maybe that would just make too much sense though, I guess.

 

[RyCo1983]

With all the crazy rules in golf you would think they would have one decent one about what to do when a player hits a shot so good that it hits the pin and ricochets into a hazard that doesn't involve penalizing the player for a great shot. Maybe that would just make too much sense though, I guess.

The penalty was for the drop after his ball went into the hazard wasn't it? Or the scorecard not being accurate.

 

[tadman95]

Improper drop

 

[BobD]

Anyone want to bet some vbucks? I'll bet Tiger finishes in 1st or 2nd.

 

[jspags10pg]

The penalty was for the drop after his ball went into the hazard wasn't it? Or the scorecard not being accurate.

Right, you are correct. The 2 stroke penalty after the round was over was for the improper drop. But before any of that he was penalized (correctly as the rules state) for his ball bouncing off the pin and into the water. What I meant was there should be a rule where if your ball ricochets off the pin into a hazard as a result of a great shot, you shouldnt be penalized in the first place. Hopefully I'm making some sense. Kind of hard for me to explain cuz I'm pretty sure I'm mentally challenged. The 2 stroke improper drop penalty would have never happened if he weren't being penalized by having to take the drop in the first place... because of shot that was "too" good.

 

[dshans]

jspags – the flag stick is no different than any other feature on a golf course, be it a rock, tree, divot, etc. Exceptions are made for conditions that are abnormal such as standing water.

I have benefited from sh¡tty shots that bounced off of some thing or another or skipped across water. Should I have taken penalty strokes? There have been many occasions when the flag stick, and even the flag, have stopped the progress of the ball and "deposited" it in the cup. Should a stroke (or two, depending on the skill/handicap of the player) be added to their score?

It's a pisser that Tiger's hitting the flag stick had such a poor result, put it's part of the silly game that so many love to play and watch.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Anyone want to bet some vbucks? I'll bet Tiger finishes in 1st or 2nd.

I'll take that. Everything I have. 1 for 1. Deal?

 

[A Pac]

Just thought of something. How pissed would you be right now (or later if he loses by 1) if you put money on Tiger to win in Vegas? Those people have to be pulling their hair out.

 

[BobD]

I'll take that. Everything I have. 1 for 1. Deal?

Ok you're on.

 

[JT_IRISH]

Just thought of something. How pissed would you be right now (or later if he loses by 1) if you put money on Tiger to win in Vegas? Those people have to be pulling their hair out.

Wonder how that plays out. Obviously as normal but it definitely isn't normal is it?

On a side note why is golf channel showing the 2012 Players for major Tuesday? It's called the 5th major but it is definitely not. Especially since Sergio won a couple years ago. And it makes me think of Paul Goydos. Yeah exactly!

 

[JT_IRISH]

Right, you are correct. The 2 stroke penalty after the round was over was for the improper drop. But before any of that he was penalized (correctly as the rules state) for his ball bouncing off the pin and into the water. What I meant was there should be a rule where if your ball ricochets off the pin into a hazard as a result of a great shot, you shouldnt be penalized in the first place. Hopefully I'm making some sense. Kind of hard for me to explain cuz I'm pretty sure I'm mentally challenged. The 2 stroke improper drop penalty would have never happened if he weren't being penalized by having to take the drop in the first place... because of shot that was "too" good.

Tiger honestly should have been DQ'ed. I would have been pissed yes. New rule 33-7 made it not happen. In the big picture, Tiger is wearing his 4th green jacket if he never hits the flag stick. And Imo he blatantly cheated dropping 2 yards back. Pun intended. I still want to see him win because I root for greatness.

 

[A Pac]

Tiger honestly should have been DQ'ed. I would have been pissed yes. New rule 33-7 made it not happen. In the big picture, Tiger is wearing his 4th green jacket if he never hits the flag stick. And Imo he blatantly cheated dropping 2 yards back. Pun intended. I still want to see him win because I root for greatness.

Not to be a jerk but he already has his fourth green jacket. You are right though. He probably wins in if he doesn't hit the pin.

 

[A Pac]

Even though I have made it blatantly obvious that I do not care for Tiger, I honestly wouldn't be upset if he won at this point. Getting the 2 stroke penalty and still winning would be incredible. I couldn't be mad if that happened and would be in awe of him.

 

[A Pac]

New game: if you ever won a green jacket, what would you do with it? If it was me, I would wear that thing everywhere I went. To the gym, the beach, the grocery store and everywhere else. I would also wear it to every single round of golf I ever played in. Every time I hit a bad shot I would just look down and think "who cares?! I won the biggest damn golf tournament on the planet!"

 

[BobD]

Tiger honestly should have been DQ'ed. I would have been pissed yes. New rule 33-7 made it not happen. In the big picture, Tiger is wearing his 4th green jacket if he never hits the flag stick. And Imo he blatantly cheated dropping 2 yards back. Pun intended. I still want to see him win because I root for greatness.

If you were the girl in your avatar I would agree with you.

 

[BobD]

Good point just made on ESPN. How come the rules officials at Augusta could spot a 14 year old amateur slow playing, but not see the most famous athlete on the planet line up for an illegal shot?

 

[MJ12666]

What I find fascinating is the "love" Woods is getting on this site. It seems to me that the individuals who post on this site generally emphasize the ND student athlete is a model for not only academic excellence but just as important, they are individuals of high character (which I agree is a good reason to root for the Irish). Woods actions off the course could never be considered ethical, and on the course he often exhibits behavior that could be described as boorish (especially from someone who allegedly has so much "respect for the game").

Now I don't want this to evolve into a debate on the quality of Woods' character, but I am curious to know from those individuals willing to overlook Woods' character flaws (presumably because of his golfing talent) will also overlook or forgive indiscretions and/or questionable ethical decisions made by players and coaches at rival institutions (such as USC, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.)?

 

[BobD]

What I find fascinating is the "love" Woods is getting on this site. It seems to me that the individuals who post on this site generally emphasize the ND student athlete is a model for not only academic excellence but just as important, they are individuals of high character (which I agree is a good reason to root for the Irish). Woods actions off the course could never be considered ethical, and on the course he often exhibits behavior that could be described as boorish (especially from someone who allegedly has so much "respect for the game").

Now I don't want this to evolve into a debate on the quality of Woods' character, but I am curious to know from those individuals willing to overlook Woods' character flaws (presumably because of his golfing talent) will also overlook or forgive indiscretions and/or questionable ethical decisions made by players and coaches at rival institutions (such as USC, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.)?

I won't pretend to be deeply religious, but I do like this

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

What I find fascinating is the "love" Woods is getting on this site. It seems to me that the individuals who post on this site generally emphasize the ND student athlete is a model for not only academic excellence but just as important, they are individuals of high character (which I agree is a good reason to root for the Irish). Woods actions off the course could never be considered ethical, and on the course he often exhibits behavior that could be described as boorish (especially from someone who allegedly has so much "respect for the game").

Now I don't want this to evolve into a debate on the quality of Woods' character, but I am curious to know from those individuals willing to overlook Woods' character flaws (presumably because of his golfing talent) will also overlook or forgive indiscretions and/or questionable ethical decisions made by players and coaches at rival institutions (such as USC, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.)?

Is this you???

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>No problem Masters tournament happy to call in and help. You always have to keep an eye on those cheaters <a href="http://t.co/u0pY3ftGzH" title="http://yhoo.it/Zh7TBu">yhoo.it/Zh7TBu</a></p>— Thomas Vonn (@ThomasVonn) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThomasVonn/status/323204060746498048">April 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[MJ12666]

Is this you???

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>No problem Masters tournament happy to call in and help. You always have to keep an eye on those cheaters <a href="http://t.co/u0pY3ftGzH" title="http://yhoo.it/Zh7TBu">yhoo.it/Zh7TBu</a></p>— Thomas Vonn (@ThomasVonn) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThomasVonn/status/323204060746498048">April 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Just got back. Had to do some yard work, turned on the TV just in time to see Tiger strutting to the 1sr tee. Hope he tops it!

No I was not me. I actually detest anyone who would call in "report" what they believe to be an infraction. These calls should be ignored.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't understand why people think he should've been DQ'd. If the officials reviewed the play... said there was no penalty... then what are his options besides signing the scorecard? Wouldn't he be intentionally DQing himself to sign one that is incorrect (per their initial ruling) and included a 2 stroke penalty when the officials said there shouldn't be one?

Second, I don't understand why people think he was blatantly cheating. If he was trying to pull a fast one, he never would've talked about dropping the ball further back in the post-round interview. It'd be like asking Barry Bonds about his home runs and him being like "yeah, I juiced up a little extra this week and it seems to have helped".... if you're aware you did something against the rules with the intent of cheating, you don't just non-nonchalantly fess up to it on camera afterwards. I think it's far more plausible he assumed the ball went in on his line (like what normally happens if you hit one in the drink) or when walking back from the drop zone just had a momentary lapse forgetting where his ball went in or something to that effect. I don't know why it's hard for people to see how someone who just had a cataclysmic bad break would be emotionally distraught and make a mental error. It's almost human nature.

What's more implausible is that he decided to cheat while on camera for a marginal (at best) advantage and then opted to talk nonchalantly about his cheating after the match. How the eff does that make sense?

 

[MJ12666]

I won't pretend to be deeply religious, but I do like this

You obviously misinterpreted my post. I am not condemning Woods for his behavior. I am simply wondering why you would root for someone who wouldn't give you the time of day versus let's say Day or Snedeker?

Also, the bible quote you are using is generally made by those who cannot compose an intelligent argument. Further, as is frequently the case, the most important statement made by Christ as noted in John 8:9, where Christ tells the woman that she is free to go but sin no more. John 8:4 is not a free pass.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I don't understand why people think he should've been DQ'd. If the officials reviewed the play... said there was no penalty... then what are his options besides signing the scorecard? Wouldn't he be intentionally DQing himself to sign one that is incorrect (per their initial ruling) and included a 2 stroke penalty when the officials said there shouldn't be one?

Second, I don't understand why people think he was blatantly cheating. If he was trying to pull a fast one, he never would've talked about dropping the ball further back in the post-round interview. It'd be like asking Barry Bonds about his home runs and him being like "yeah, I juiced up a little extra this week and it seems to have helped".... if you're aware you did something against the rules with the intent of cheating, you don't just non-nonchalantly fess up to it on camera afterwards. I think it's far more plausible he assumed the ball went in on his line (like what normally happens if you hit one in the drink) or when walking back from the drop zone just had a momentary lapse forgetting where his ball went in or something to that effect. I don't know why it's hard for people to see how someone who just had a cataclysmic bad break would be emotionally distraught and make a mental error. It's almost human nature.

What's more implausible is that he decided to cheat while on camera for a marginal (at best) advantage and then opted to talk nonchalantly about his cheating after the match. How the eff does that make sense?

Thank you!!!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

What's funny is that "cheating" tweet is from Lindsay Vonn's ex...if you didn't notice.

 

[greyhammer90]

What's funny is that "cheating" tweet is from Lindsay Vonn's ex...if you didn't notice.

It was a good try man.