2012 NCAA Lacrosse Open Thread

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VEGAS ODDS FOR THE SEMIFINAL GAMES

Loyola -1.5 vs. ND; O/U 17.5

Duke -1.5 vs Maryland; O/U 19.5

I'd STRONGLY encourage anyone in Vegas to go put a lot of money down on ND +1.5 and UNDER of the Duke/Maryland game. The juice is actually +140 on ND +1.5... which is downright insane considering how crappy Loyola has looked recently, how good ND has looked, and how ND hasn't played a single game this year outside of a one goal margin (that is, in ND's only two losses one came in OT and the other was a one goal loss with a last second shot hitting a pipe... so no teams have show the ability to "cover" on ND).
 
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Progressive odds since the start of the tourney to win it....

Round of 16
Loyola: 7/2
Johns Hopkins: 4/1
Duke: 9/2
Notre Dame: 5/1
Virginia: 6/1
UMass: 7/1
Princeton: 14/1
Yale: 15/1
North Carolina: 16/1
Lehigh: 18/1
Denver: 18/1
Syracuse: 20/1
Maryland: 22/1
Colgate: 30/1
Stony Brook: 50/1
Canisius: 75/1

Quarterfinal
Loyola: 7/2
Johns Hopkins: 4/1
Duke: 9/2
Notre Dame: 5/1
Virginia: 6/1
Denver: 18/1
Maryland: 22/1
Colgate: 30/1

Interested to see final four odds when they're released....
 

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And big congrats to Tyler Brenneman on winning the NCAA's Elite 89 award for having the highest GPA of any student athlete in the final four. Brenneman has a 3.8 GPA as an economics major.

Elite 89 - NCAA.com
 

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Your Loyola preview... GAME IS AT 2:30 TOMORROW ON ESPN2!

Loyola is probably the most well rounded team in the tournament. They defend well and play great offense. There isn't one area of their team that you can look at and say they are "poor" in that area. So let's start with what they do especially well.

What Loyola does well: Loyola's success this year starts with their balance on attack. Mike Sawyer and Eric Lusby give them a righty-lefty combo of high percentage shooters. Lusby is a converted midfielder who is a bit more catch-and-shoot, but he's also a bit more apt to pass than Sawyer. Sawyer is a little better dodging to create his shots. Their linemate is the pass-first Justin Ward who does a very good job of distributing the ball to their scorers. Complimenting them is a 1st line of midfielders who are all well-rounded players who are great passers. What this leads to is an EMO that clicks at 48% and a settled offense that tends to generate high percentage looks that Sawyer and Lusby finish. On top of that, their defensive midfield is quite good... led by Scott Ratliff who is a stud who can both defend and score at a very high level. Their transition game is great and they are the best faceoff team left in the tournament.

What Loyola does poorly: This biggest glaring issue with Loyola is their depth. It's hard to poke holes in their team, but they over-play their 1st line of midfielders with only spot duty from a second line... whereas Notre Dame plays 3 full lines of midfielders. This is the kind of game where if it gets up tempo and Notre Dame can stay even at the faceoff X the lack of depth for Loyola could really burn them in the 4th quarter... it's supposed to be 85 in Foxoboro tomorrow which isn't oppressive but it also isn't cool. On top of that, Loyola's goalie is solid but he's no John Kemp... so there is a very decided advantage in our favor there.

What to watch for: Faceoffs will play a huge factor in this game as Notre Dame controlling possession would likely spell doom for Loyola, whereas Loyola jumping out to an early lead might do the same for ND. The bottom line is Loyola has become incredibly dependent recently on scoring in transition or specialty situations to get their goals. I think they only had 4 settled 6-on-6 goals against a crappy Denver defense last week, and Notre Dame simply doesn't foul. With Loyola's tough midfield defense, the Notre Dame attack will have to play at a high level if Notre Dame doesn't get enough ball possession to effectively use our depth. Westy Hopkins, Connor Doyle, and Sean Rogers must finish open looks if they get them.

Prediction: ND 9 Loyola 7. I don't think Loyola is ready for the moment. All of their interviews seem very arrogant and you can't overstate ND's "big game" experience edge on the Greyhounds. Also, Loyola has looked awful so far in the tournament and lucked out to get past Denver. Loyola has only played one team this year with a "good" defense and that was Johns Hopkins... who really handled them all game before Loyola went on a late run... but Hopkins still persevered. No matter what way you try to break down this game, in my mind it keeps coming back to the fact that Loyola's scoring is predicated on getting open looks and the one thing Notre Dame does better than anyone is not give up open looks. Ward is no Steele Stanwick level quarterback. Lusby is no Chris Bocklett level inside-out finisher. Mike Sawyer is dynamic, but even if he gets 3+... who else is going to step up for them? I just don't see it because Notre Dame doesn't foul and has an athletic midfield really capable of limiting transition. Maybe they'll get a couple off of faceoffs, but I just don't think it's enough assuming ND's offense continues to show up to a reasonable level. The one thing ND does struggle to defend is a dominant crease attackman coupled with powerful outside shooting midfielders... and Loyola frankly doesn't have an inside presence. Both Sawyer and Lusby are more 6-and-6 style guys.

So in summary, Vegas has Loyola as a 1.5 goal favorite... and I think it should be the other way around. As long as ND stays above 45% on the faceoffs we should be able to pull the upset... if we dip below 25% we'll almost surely lose.
 

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I can't wait for tomorrows game! It's nice to have some ND sports to support in May!
 

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Almost Gametime!!! Limit the time and space shooters and transition from Loyola. Love the way the Irish have been attacking one on one offensive matchups the past couple of games. Making teams pay for not sliding. Keep it up today, and as IrishLax said, win some faceoffs and it's on to Monday.

The only thing I'm dreading is those strange Maverik commercials where the grown men stare and smile at the little boys playing lacrosse. Just wierd. Billy Bitter should not be smiling at little boys playing on the beach.


Go Irish!!
 

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Right back in it! A completely sloppy first half for the Irish until these 2 goals. Loyola attacking the short stick matchups, second slide is slow, getting some good looks on Kemp. Irish having some trouble clearing the ball as well. Some halftime adjustments needed, but nothing crazy. Loyola playing very aggressive on ball, work some 2 man game they will be ok.

That last goal hurts, pretty soft shot.
 

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Well we just played about as poorly as we can possibly play.... only down 2 though. Liam O'Connor doing great on faceoffs. That last goal before halftime was just disgusting. You CANNOT let that go in.
 

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$hit. It looked like Bobby had an easy assist on the play where the illegal body check happened. Damn. Well at least we got the offense somewhat going before half.
 

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$hit. It looked like Bobby had an easy assist on the play where the illegal body check happened. Damn. Well at least we got the offense somewhat going before half.

He did. He needs to make that interior pass. Could be 4-4 instead it's 5-3. I don't think we can play any worse than we just did though.
 

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Gotta get these guys back on track in that locker room. Completely out of character half, some undisciplined play. As IrishLax said, a horrible half but still in it.

What adjustments you see coming Lax? How do they protect the SSDM out there in 2nd half? Loyola just looking for that skip to Lusby.

Must capitalize on favorable matchups on offense as well. As aggressive as Loyola is playing, should be some open looks if they can get the ball through.

Right in this game regardless. Interesting 2nd half coming up. Go Irish!
 

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Gotta get these guys back on track in that locker room. Completely out of character half, some undisciplined play. As IrishLax said, a horrible half but still in it.

What adjustments you see coming Lax? How do they protect the SSDM out there in 2nd half? Loyola just looking for that skip to Lusby.

Must capitalize on favorable matchups on offense as well. As aggressive as Loyola is playing, should be some open looks if they can get the ball through.

Right in this game regardless. Interesting 2nd half coming up. Go Irish!

I really don't know if they make any true strategy changes. Lusby is playing really well but he's also been aided by two horrible closeouts by O'Hara (who has been cramping per ESPN). We're getting a bit lulled to sleep by how Loyola is holding the ball for a long time on their possessions.... I think Corrigan just urges everybody to wake the heck up. We've seen slow starts like this before (St. John's x2, Villanova, etc.) and we just need to snap out of it.

On offense I think they're going to encourage everyone to be more careful with the ball. Far too many turnovers from hung sticks or bad passes. I think if we play more patient our attack will have some opportunities to shoot wrapping around the goal. Rogers and Doyle both had some very good opportunities that they blew.

I'm not sure if we have an answer though for Loyola winning their 1v1 matchups on offense though and I'm skeptical we'll be able to keep them under 10 goals/win the game.
 

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Poor shooting + good goaltending by Loyola = bad news. Defense is honestly playing well enough to win...

Liam O'Connor has been dominant today.
 

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How did loyola ever get this good?

Transfers. But yeah... coming into this year I never would've imagined them being this good. Hopefully we get a Duke vs. Loyola final which will be a very fun game with a lot of action.
 

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Well........ it's a ball game..........................

What if we hadn't shot like total crap today?
 
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