'20 VA APB Chris Tyree (Notre Dame Signee)

[irishandy]

Some of these questions were brought up regarding whether a 2nd RB is needed and here is what Tim and Tim said at 247.

- Though they expect a big year from him, those around the program would be very surprised if Jafar left after this season.
- They were quite pleased with the progress the young RB’s made this Spring, and (outside of Tyree’s speed) they don’t see a further need at the position.

Is Tony Jones Jr. the only RB whose eligibility expires after this year?

Of the young RB's at the B&G game I was most impressed with Kyren Williams.

I'd pass on 2 RB's this year, if we land Tyree I could see a couple of the young RB's leave (C'bo and possibly Jahmir Smith).

 

[NDMIA]

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Is Tony Jones Jr. the only RB whose eligibility expires after this year?

Of the young RB's at the B&G game I was most impressed with Kyren Williams.

I'd pass on 2 RB's this year, if we land Tyree I could see a couple of the young RB's leave (C'bo and possibly Jahmir Smith).

Zero RB’s run out of eligibility. Tony Jones Jr is a RS JR. I think he’s more likely to leave tho in my opinion.

RS SR Tony Jones Jr
RS JR Jafar Armstrong
RS SO Jahmir Smith
RS SO C’Bo Flemister
RS FR Kyren Williams
FR Chris Tyree

That looks good as a depth chart. Now onto getting a 4 star 2021 RB. I’d take Murphy in 2020 but I think the depth chart looks good right now if they can grab Tyree.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm betting the guy is just playing the long-game, and being the contrarian so that he'll look smart if something happens down the road and Tyree flips from ND to OU.

Exactly what I was thinking. Lol

 

[stlnd01]

Zero RB’s run out of eligibility. Tony Jones Jr is a RS JR. I think he’s more likely to leave tho in my opinion.

RS SR Tony Jones Jr
RS JR Jafar Armstrong
RS SO Jahmir Smith
RS SO C’Bo Flemister
RS FR Kyren Williams
FR Chris Tyree

That looks good as a depth chart. Now onto getting a 4 star 2021 RB. I’d take Murphy in 2020 but I think the depth chart looks good right now if they can grab Tyree.

Small point but I’d be surprised if Kyren Williams redshirts this year, given the depth chart and how he looked in spring ball.
Agree our depth chart is fine in 2020. It’s 21 and 22 that’d worry me. We’re counting a lot on Williams and Tyree. And if something happens to either of them - injury, transfer, whatever - we’d be pretty thin at RB.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Small point but I’d be surprised if Kyren Williams redshirts this year, given the depth chart and how he looked in spring ball.
Agree our depth chart is fine in 2020. It’s 21 and 22 that’d worry me. We’re counting a lot on Williams and Tyree. And if something happens to either of them - injury, transfer, whatever - we’d be pretty thin at RB.

I suppose if we don't sign anyone else in the 21 class then it'd be just them but even still, that's how college ball works, right? You don't get to return a big producer every year. You recruit and you fill the gaps. And we'll still have more than Williams and Tyree competing for minutes.

 

[Luckylucci]

Small point but I’d be surprised if Kyren Williams redshirts this year, given the depth chart and how he looked in spring ball.
Agree our depth chart is fine in 2020. It’s 21 and 22 that’d worry me. We’re counting a lot on Williams and Tyree. And if something happens to either of them - injury, transfer, whatever - we’d be pretty thin at RB.

C’bo and Jamir have eligibility into 21’ and potentially 22’, plus you’ll be signing a signing a 21’ and 22’ RB so very early to have that concern with that information.

So in the 21’ season they’ll have :
Seniors - Jamir/C’bo
Junior - Kyren Williams
Sophomore - Chris Tyree
Freshman - 21’ recruit (Will Shipley?)

That’s a 5 deep with a hopefully talented freshman as the 5th. And, if there is attrition you worry about that then. Can’t carry 6 RB’s every year because you’re worried about that.

 

[stlnd01]

C’bo and Jamir have eligibility into 21’ and potentially 22’, plus you’ll be signing a signing a 21’ and 22’ RB so very early to have that concern with that information.

So in the 21’ season they’ll have :
Seniors - Jamir/C’bo
Junior - Kyren Williams
Sophomore - Chris Tyree
Freshman - 21’ recruit (Will Shipley?)

That’s a 5 deep with a hopefully talented freshman as the 5th. And, if there is attrition you worry about that then. Can’t carry 6 RB’s every year because you’re worried about that.

Maybe if we hadn't lost two RBs to discipline problems, come damn close to losing a third, and had a fourth go early to the NFL all in one offseason, just one year ago, I wouldn't be as anxious about it. There is always attrition. Yes, we seem to be able to pull off a position switch when necessary but TBH I'd rather have honest-to-goodness running backs, especially when they're four-star guys who want ND (like Tirek Murphy).

Taking three guys every two years doesn't seem unreasonable. Less than that feels like playing with fire.

 

[Luckylucci]

Beyond what we have, you recruit the players at that time. If we lose one of the expected Seniors (21’ scenario) then you take a 2nd in 21’. You still have two upperclassmen and your elite sophomore, to go along with two freshman for spots 4 and 5. Completely normal. If you’re recruiting at a high level you can count on freshman as 3rd-5th string options. Guys like Will Shipley will push for PT as freshman either way.

It’s unreasonable to think we should carry 6 RB’s on the roster every year. Using the most outrageous roster attrition at a single position, in the last 20 years as an example also seems unreasonable.

 

[Irish#1]

With FB's change to an aerial game, the RB position isn't nearly as important as it used to be. Therefore, you use position change as a way to make the depth on your team.

 

[arrowryan]

Evan Watkins switched his CB back to ND lol

 

[NDty9]

I can't believe this is about to happen!!!

 

[anarin]

With FB's change to an aerial game, the RB position isn't nearly as important as it used to be. Therefore, you use position change as a way to make the depth on your team.

It hasn't changed as much as you think it has. Look at rushing attempts dating back the last 15 years. We're only talking a change of 1-2 carries a game. It may appear the game has changed, but in reality its just the formations and the approach of the plays. Instead of lining up in a power formation and shoving it down the defense's throat, they are speading it out and running it more. So its more of just the skill-set and build of a running-back now. Rb's are even more important now I think because of the multiple things they can do.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Evan Watkins switched his CB back to ND lol

Marketing 101. How many of you had ever heard of Evan Watkins before his revolving CB's for Tyree. LOL

 

[NDVirginia19]

I can't believe this is about to happen!!!

Me neither. I went to Thomas Dale and absolutely nobody goes out to Notre Dame for school. My sister and I were the only two in over 20 years to come to ND. It's so cool to me seeing someone from Dale go to ND, and even cooler to see it's somebody I'm going to get to watch on Saturdays for a couple of years. We're really tapping into Central VA now, first with Elliot, but I think we'll be headed to the Richmond area for years to come.

 

[Irish#1]

It hasn't changed as much as you think it has. Look at rushing attempts dating back the last 15 years. We're only talking a change of 1-2 carries a game. It may appear the game has changed, but in reality its just the formations and the approach of the plays. Instead of lining up in a power formation and shoving it down the defense's throat, they are speading it out and running it more. So its more of just the skill-set and build of a running-back now. Rb's are even more important now I think because of the multiple things they can do.

My apologies. I knew after I posted I should have elaborated more, but I had a meeting to get ready for. We haven't abandoned the run for sure. The changing of formations is where I was headed and why the reliance on recruiting the typical traditional back to fill the back end of depth chart isn't quite as important. We still want the true RB filling in the top 3-4 positions, but with the spread formations you can use a position flip kid to run outside or on sweeps. They don't necessarily need to know how to run inside 15-20 times a game like your featured backs.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

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Is Tony Jones Jr. the only RB whose eligibility expires after this year?

Of the young RB's at the B&G game I was most impressed with Kyren Williams.

I'd pass on 2 RB's this year, if we land Tyree I could see a couple of the young RB's leave (C'bo and possibly Jahmir Smith).

Why does everyone think Jahmir Smith won't have any production at Notre Dame and will end up transferring? I liked what I saw from Jahmir in the spring game. Granted he will never be a big play RB, but I can see him always getting positive yards by putting his head down and pushing the pile. Didn't the coaching staff have high praise for him this spring? And academics are very important to Jahmir, which is why I don't think he would transfer, unless it's a grad transfer.

 

[koonja]

Anyone know about his competition?

He's just running away from guys so it's hard to tell, but the size/athleticism of his competition seems solid.

 

[arrowryan]

Anyone know about his competition?

He's just running away from guys so it's hard to tell, but the size/athleticism of his competition seems solid.

Well he’s one of the fastest running backs this cycle so that’s probably why he’s running away from people.

 

[koonja]

Well he’s one of the fastest running backs this cycle so that’s probably why he’s running away from people.

I'm aware, I only mentioned it because when there's little contact it makes it difficult to evaluate competition, but the opponents seem to pass the "eye test", more or less.

 

[stlnd01]

Why does everyone think Jahmir Smith won't have any production at Notre Dame and will end up transferring? I liked what I saw from Jahmir in the spring game. Granted he will never be a big play RB, but I can see him always getting positive yards by putting his head down and pushing the pile. Didn't the coaching staff have high praise for him this spring? And academics are very important to Jahmir, which is why I don't think he would transfer, unless it's a grad transfer.

Agree on Jahmir. It’s the other RB in his class I’d worry will never make a dent.

 

[stlnd01]

Beyond what we have, you recruit the players at that time. If we lose one of the expected Seniors (21’ scenario) then you take a 2nd in 21’. You still have two upperclassmen and your elite sophomore, to go along with two freshman for spots 4 and 5. Completely normal. If you’re recruiting at a high level you can count on freshman as 3rd-5th string options. Guys like Will Shipley will push for PT as freshman either way.

It’s unreasonable to think we should carry 6 RB’s on the roster every year. Using the most outrageous roster attrition at a single position, in the last 20 years as an example also seems unreasonable.

It’s college football. Shit happens.
I looked back over the last few years. Some years we’ve carried five RBs, some years six. (Then there were the Cam McDaniel years). Maybe I’d feel better if we’d recruited a top-tier RB in the ‘17 or ‘18 classes but we’re running a converted WR and a couple three-stars out there for upperclassmen next season (though maybe Jahmir Smith is the real thing). And if something happens to Tyree or Kyren, the record for freshmen RBs walking in and contributing under Kelly has been pretty mixed. So I’m just a little skeptical that all will work out smoothly. Sorry.
It’s a position where an extra body never hurts and if a quality RB recruit wants to come I’m not sure why we’d turn him away.

 

[irishandy]

Why does everyone think Jahmir Smith won't have any production at Notre Dame and will end up transferring? I liked what I saw from Jahmir in the spring game. Granted he will never be a big play RB, but I can see him always getting positive yards by putting his head down and pushing the pile. Didn't the coaching staff have high praise for him this spring? And academics are very important to Jahmir, which is why I don't think he would transfer, unless it's a grad transfer.

I liked what I saw in Smith as well at the B&G game; I was more impressed though with Kyren Williams. If Tyree commits to ND, he's not going to sit and someone is going to lose PT.

 

[arrowryan]

Per multiple reports, Notre Dame actually likes him best at corner.











just kidding

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Bill Greene switched his CB, which I believe leaves a sole dissenting OU CB

 

[T-Boone]

Per multiple reports, Notre Dame actually likes him best at corner.











just kidding

From now on I am reading your fine print first. Now my morning coffee is all over office wall.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Anyone know about his competition?

He's just running away from guys so it's hard to tell, but the size/athleticism of his competition seems solid.

It's the highest level of competition in Virginia, about 2500 kids go to TD

 

[NDty9]

So I was looking back at some posts on this thread, and see that he ran a 6.30 time in the 55 Meter (Then fastest in the country for high school, still might be)

CLEARLY that is insanely fast, so i was wondering where it compares in terms of our recent players at ND as well as in comparison to Rocket, who i assume was even faster than that?

(Sorry if this has been discussed)

 

[arrowryan]

So I was looking back at some posts on this thread, and see that he ran a 6.30 time in the 55 Meter (Then fastest in the country for high school, still might be)

CLEARLY that is insanely fast, so i was wondering where it compares in terms of our recent players at ND as well as in comparison to Rocket, who i assume was even faster than that?

(Sorry if this has been discussed)

The only players that would come to mind for me would be Fuller and Pride. Idk if they’re that fast, but they do have true game breaking speed.

 

[rtrn2glory]

The only players that would come to mind for me would be Fuller and Pride. Idk if they’re that fast, but they do have true game breaking speed.

we really missed a will fuller type last year.

not sure ian could've pushed the ball to him that far, but i really missed watching him run passed dudes.

 

[Luckylucci]

He's going to be right there with guys like Pride and Fuller. Fuller ran a 4.32 at the combine and Pride was timed, at ND, at 4.32 recently. Tyree is going to be in that range. I believe his fastest recorded time is 4.38.