'20 NJ CB Clarence Lewis (Notre Dame Signee)

[longliveautrydenson]

I wonder if Julian Love slipping to the 4th round is being using to neg recruit against us. We definitely do not have a track record of putting CBs in the NFL and Love falling really hurt our ability to counter that narrative.

We need Troy Pride to have an AA-type season, publicly hype him like we did with Josh Adams in 2015 (I know that didn’t go well), and then try to poach CBs from teams having down seasons. The current board is not going to cut it.

 

[BobbyMac]

One additional thought is the Jesse Bates find is nice (especially since Im from northeast IN) but his DC and positional coach aint at ND anymore.

But his sidekick is and his safety group was better than big brothers last year and big bro had a roster full of higher rated TX and LA prospects.

 

[NDdomer2]

But his sidekick is and his safety group was better than big brothers last year and big bro had a roster full of higher rated TX and LA prospects.

Ok ok ok who started those safeties' development, one could argue...

 

[Rogue219]

Hips and feet are key. Truly not the end of the world that he doesn't run a mystical forty yard dash.

If he can jump and has good ball skills (or can develop them), his track stats are fine. Yes, you need to be able to run, but chances are the only time he's running forty yards in a straight line is if he's chasing someone because he's been torched in coverage or he's running back an INT.

I like his measurables. Also like the NC State, Temple and Va Tech offers for a three star player. Likely means he's got some toughness. Then he has BC, Duke and Vanderbilt which likely means he can write a good enough research paper.

 

[Irish Joe]

Solid pick up

 

[BobbyMac]

I wonder if Julian Love slipping to the 4th round is being using to neg recruit against us. We definitely do not have a track record of putting CBs in the NFL and Love falling really hurt our ability to counter that narrative.

We need Troy Pride to have an AA-type season, publicly hype him like we did with Josh Adams in 2015 (I know that didn’t go well), and then try to poach CBs from teams having down seasons. The current board is not going to cut it.

Define current board? Who knows who they are talking too? Who knows what happens if OU or UGa gets one more CB and a Kimber or Watts decide to be the star of ND's class? They are still on ND's board.

Caleb Offord is a player. Enzo Jennings, player. Ramon Henderson, player. Ethan Pouncey, player. Lovie Jenkins, player. Jalen Huff, player. Miles Brooks, player. Keontae Jenkins, player. Sammy Anderson, Tarheeb Still, Carington Valentine all players. There's a lot of very good film out there from guys who run 4.5's, have 20+ offers & take care of their books. Go look at Stanford/Vandy/Duke offer lsits and see how many names you've never heard of.

We're still in camp season and before guys can come out of the national combine finals, not to mention their senior seasons so there's time for more cream to rise to the top. Would it have been nice to land 1 of Phillips, Watts or Kimber? Yep. But it's not time to blast the currrent board when we don't really know who's on it minus the guys publicly visiting and the near misses currently sitting on other programs' commit lists..

 

[Rogue219]

I wonder if Julian Love slipping to the 4th round is being using to neg recruit against us. We definitely do not have a track record of putting CBs in the NFL and Love falling really hurt our ability to counter that narrative.

Forgive me, because I don't follow recruiting anywhere near as much as I did in years past, but is this really a thing? Julian Love was a HS RB/DB that carried his team to a state championship and then played well above his recruiting "ranking" while at Notre Dame. Consensus All American in his third year.

I'd be salivating to counter argue any negative recruiting regarding this to a high school player and his parents. Please, talk shit about Julian Love's career and draft status. I'll tell you a better story.

There were three DB taken in the first round this past NFL Draft. The first two were safeties and the first corner was Jim Thorpe Award Winner Deande Baker from UGA, who was drafted by the New York Giants who then drafted Love later on. It could be argued the Giants got the two best 2018 college corners in their draft and with exceptional value.

The CB run then started in the second round. Love was the 11th corner drafted out of 32 total. He went ahead of Ohio State's Kendall Sheffield (USA Today All American) and USC's Iman Marshall (Five Star Recruit).

Julian Love might not be the best ND success story, but he's a damn good one.

 

[Irish#1]

Are we still discussing Lewis?

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Hips and feet are key. Truly not the end of the world that he doesn't run a mystical forty yard dash.

If he can jump and has good ball skills (or can develop them), his track stats are fine. Yes, you need to be able to run, but chances are the only time he's running forty yards in a straight line is if he's chasing someone because he's been torched in coverage or he's running back an INT.

I like his measurables. Also like the NC State, Temple and Va Tech offers for a three star player. Likely means he's got some toughness. Then he has BC, Duke and Vanderbilt which likely means he can write a good enough research paper.

I tell people this all the time and actually use it as a prop to show parents. Hit a stopwatch on and off as fast as you can. It usually around .15 seconds. That’s the difference between a 4.6 and 4.45 40. Speed is obviously tremendously important but there are so many other variables that make a great football player.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

Define current board? Who knows who they are talking too? Who knows what happens if OU or UGa gets one more CB and a Kimber or Watts decide to be the star of ND's class? They are still on ND's board.

Caleb Offord is a player. Enzo Jennings, player. Ramon Henderson, player. Ethan Pouncey, player. Lovie Jenkins, player. Jalen Huff, player. Miles Brooks, player. Keontae Jenkins, player. Sammy Anderson, Tarheeb Still, Carington Valentine all players. There's a lot of very good film out there from guys who run 4.5's, have 20+ offers & take care of their books. Go look at Stanford/Vandy/Duke offer lsits and see how many names you've never heard of.

We're still in camp season and before guys can come out of the national combine finals, not to mention their senior seasons so there's time for more cream to rise to the top. Would it have been nice to land 1 of Phillips, Watts or Kimber? Yep. But it's not time to blast the currrent board when we don't really know who's on it minus the guys publicly visiting and the near misses currently sitting on other programs' commit lists..

The II guys have all but confirmed that there’s been internal handwringing among the coaching staff about the state of DB recruiting. We swung and missed on all of our top of the board guys. We’re going to need help at DB immediately come 2020 and most of the guys we’re in on are developmental guys with limited tape playing defense. That’s a problem.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Welcome to Notre Dame Clarence!


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[longliveautrydenson]

Forgive me, because I don't follow recruiting anywhere near as much as I did in years past, but is this really a thing? Julian Love was a HS RB/DB that carried his team to a state championship and then played well above his recruiting "ranking" while at Notre Dame. Consensus All American in his third year.

I'd be salivating to counter argue any negative recruiting regarding this to a high school player and his parents. Please, talk shit about Julian Love's career and draft status. I'll tell you a better story.

There were three DB taken in the first round this past NFL Draft. The first two were safeties and the first corner was Jim Thorpe Award Winner Deande Baker from UGA, who was drafted by the New York Giants who then drafted Love later on. It could be argued the Giants got the two best 2018 college corners in their draft and with exceptional value.

The CB run then started in the second round. Love was the 11th corner drafted out of 32 total. He went ahead of Ohio State's Kendall Sheffield (USA Today All American) and USC's Iman Marshall (Five Star Recruit).

Julian Love might not be the best ND success story, but he's a damn good one.

We haven’t had a CB drafted in the 1st round since 1991. We haven’t had a CB drafted in the 2nd since 1995. Love was the best corner of my generation and he went in the 4th. It’s easy to see how other teams could spin that to argue that ND is a poor choice for CBs if you want to play in the NFL.

 

[NDMIA]

The II guys have all but confirmed that there’s been internal handwringing among the coaching staff about the state of DB recruiting. We swung and missed on all of our top of the board guys. We’re going to need help at DB immediately come 2020 and most of the guys we’re in on are developmental guys with limited tape playing defense. That’s a problem.

.9757 4* Clark Phillips III - Ohio State lean but maybe he comes to ND at some point
.9634 4* Lathan Ransom - Just OV’ed to ND. Might be OSU lean but ND might’ve done well
.9539 4* Enzo Jennings - Kentucky, Pitt, Penn St OV’s. Just mentioned in UK article that he’s for sure visiting ND before a decision. Remember he loves Todd Lyght
.9319 4* Eric Reed Jr - just balled out at LSU camp, not much other competition and don’t know if LSU will fill up. Seems like a Lawrence Keys III situation potentially.
.9181 4* Jerrin Thompson - ND now has an extra few months to build a relationship and continue to recruit him before an OV in the fall. Arkansas/ND battle if Texas doesn’t swoop in
.9161 4* Makari Paige - Didn’t know until he dropped his top 7 but ND still very much in play
.9031 4* Malcolm Greene - He’s a wanted man. I think ND has a solid shot with Tyree recruiting him hard who’s already friends with him.
.8941 4* RJ Moten - Michigan, PSU, ND battle. ND’s had success in NJ before.
.8884 4* Cameron Martinez - Michigan, OSU, PSU, ND all battling for him. Gotta get him on campus

Yes, it’s getting later in the game. Yes, ND’s only got 1 DB commit and many of these guys are likely deciding before their senior season so the summer visits will be key, BUT ND’s still got a shot with plenty of DB’s that are highly rated. Maybe they’re not the leader for everyone but not many schools are for a lot of prospects of this caliber. The bottom line is wait until they actually commit before we freak out and even when they commit, there’s still a big time poaching season coming when ND has a baller season. Thus far, Chris Thompson cancelled his ND OV, Kristian Story eliminated ND, Jordan Morant eliminated ND and that’s it when it comes to losing 4 stars this summer. Recruiting takes many shifts and turns and right now I’ll agree that it isn’t promising that of all the 4 stars listed above, ND’s only managed to convince 1 to come to campus for free which is ridiculous, but there’s a long way to go in recruiting and ND will be fine I’m hoping.

 

[Rogue219]

We haven’t had a CB drafted in the 1st round since 1991. We haven’t had a CB drafted in the 2nd since 1995. Love was the best corner of my generation and he went in the 4th. It’s easy to see how other teams could spin that to argue that ND is a poor choice for CBs if you want to play in the NFL.

He hasn't played a down yet. Probably the best thing ND has going for them if anyone is choosing to negative recruit ND regarding defensive backs and using Julian Love as an example.

I'd think that recruiters would have other things to discuss with players, but that's just me.

 

[NDdomer2]

I thought I saw a report the other day that Julian is impressing during camp

 

[Rogue219]

I tell people this all the time and actually use it as a prop to show parents. Hit a stopwatch on and off as fast as you can. It usually around .15 seconds. That’s the difference between a 4.6 and 4.45 40. Speed is obviously tremendously important but there are so many other variables that make a great football player.

Forty yard dash times are one component of a football player. Too many people still think it is THE component.

Quite honestly, the shuttle time is the one people should look at more. Then with DBs it comes down to ball skills, vertical jump and the length of their arms.

Back to Kendall Sheffield again, he was an elite HS track guy as I recall.

 

[Rogue219]

I thought I saw a report the other day that Julian is impressing during camp

Actual football actually being played? Do tell.

 

[Luckylucci]

Who had a bum shoulder and had no one healthy and able to fill his backup role? We can spin this either way.

To sit here and say that the higher rated kids don't have higher hit rates (in terms of HS to college success) would be ignoring facts.

Needing 5 DB's in a class, the fanbase should expect some of them to not be "cream of the crop" so to speak. But on the contrary, you would think you would have a lot to sell to some of those guys as well. So I can understand why DB recruiting is slightly puzzling at the moment to some. (I for one think we have the rights coaches to identify and coach whoever we end up with)

But, again, I have no knocks on this kid or the staff taking him. There's still a whole year and summer of camps for him to rise in ranking to satisfy the star chasers and he could be a perfect fit for what the staff wants. I'm just speaking to the fact that the more highly rated kids on ur team the more likely you find some that can play at the level the staff and fanbase desires and just because we found 4 underrated kids for our defense last year doesn't mean it's the best model of success long term or for building championship depth.

One additional thought is the Jesse Bates find is nice (especially since Im from northeast IN) but his DC and positional coach aint at ND anymore.

Well, (and I should have said this from the beginning) for starters using one game as an example is for simpletons. If that were how we do things, we'd say that Bama's all world DB's are absolute trash (and the defense as a whole is as well) since they got it even worse than we did. Lawrence had more yards on less attempts, therefore a much better yards/att. Also a higher QB rating. The only significant metric that was better against ND was comp pct.

In fact, against Bama he put up his 2nd most yards (in a single game) on the season. 3rd highest QB rating. And 2nd highest yds/attempt. Bama must suck at playing defense. They need some new recruiting tactics.

The numbers issue from the 17' class came up and bit us. There was no sophomore class of CB's. If we had pulled in even a reasonable group of CB's from that class, it's probably a different scenario.

 

[Luckylucci]

The II guys have all but confirmed that there’s been internal handwringing among the coaching staff about the state of DB recruiting. We swung and missed on all of our top of the board guys. We’re going to need help at DB immediately come 2020 and most of the guys we’re in on are developmental guys with limited tape playing defense. That’s a problem.

FWIW, I believe less and less of what those guys say. Some of the prognosticating from Prister is mind numbingly bad. The other day he called AK overrated. When asked, he had no idea what he was rated (or actually had it wrong) and then admitted that he hadn't even "rated" any of the other DT's, lol. Then went on to call himself a "talent evaluator" and how no real "talent evaluators" do that and he's good at his job. Talk about being a blowhard.

Make statement without having correct information or seemingly any information at all. When asked, dismiss question because again, he has no information but call yourself something of meaning like "talent evaluator". Then back that up by making sure that everyone knows nobody actually puts in the work, and he's just as bad (or good) as everybody else.

I'll go with Rees, Elston, Lea, Lyght, Joseph, etc. You know, the guys that have actually evaluated all the available prospects.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Hey a cb committed. That’s neat......

 

[NDdomer2]

Actual football actually being played? Do tell.

https://www.giants.com/news/who-stood-out-at-giants-ota-practice-6-10

The New York Giants began the ninth and final week of their offseason workout program on Monday at the Quest Diagnostics Training Center. The team has three more practices and then it’s summer break for the players until the start of training camp at the end of July.

Here are the players who stood out at OTA No. 7:

CB JULIAN LOVE: Notre Dame’s career leader in pass break-ups had a few today in a Giants jersey. The rookie fourth-round draft pick broke up two early in team drills before the levee broke and he intercepted a Daniel Jones pass. His defensive teammates shouted that they knew it was coming in recognition of the day he was already having. Love was one of three finalists last season for the Jim Thorpe Award, given to the nation’s top defensive back. The winner of the award was Georgia’s DeAndre Baker, who is now Love’s teammate on the Giants. For good measure, Love also downed a punt near the five-yard line during a special teams drill. He played the short hop perfectly to get a hand on the ball before it skipped into the end zone.

 

[Luckylucci]

Also, for those that haven't read them, Prister gives pretty positive evals of both Lewis and Bartelson. So during the podcast they talk about the "handwringing" and concern of DB recruiting. Then in his evals he praises the real value ND found with both prospects. Sure seems like a can't be wrong situation to me.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

https://www.giants.com/news/who-stood-out-at-giants-ota-practice-6-10

All Love has done his whole life is prove rankings and low draft picks mean nothing. He has been a baller since his freshman year at ND, really since he started playing high school ball probably before that, and he's continuing to show why he was the one player ND could not afford to have injured in that CFP game. I honestly think losing him would have hurt more than Book going down.

 

[Rogue219]

https://www.giants.com/news/who-stood-out-at-giants-ota-practice-6-10

Great stuff.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

I trust Lea and company.

 

[stlnd01]

We haven’t had a CB drafted in the 1st round since 1991. We haven’t had a CB drafted in the 2nd since 1995. Love was the best corner of my generation and he went in the 4th. It’s easy to see how other teams could spin that to argue that ND is a poor choice for CBs if you want to play in the NFL.

Love went in the fourth largely because of his measurables, correct? But he was a small, not especially fast, three-star recruit who became an All-American because of his development at Notre Dame. Imagine what you might do as a bigger, faster, high four-star.
That’s what I’d tell anyone who’s hearing neg recruiting over the corners we haven’t had drafted high, anyway.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Love went in the fourth largely because of his measurables, correct? But he was a small, not especially fast, three-star recruit who became an All-American because of his development at Notre Dame. Imagine what you might do as a bigger, faster, high four-star.
That’s what I’d tell anyone who’s hearing neg recruiting over the corners we haven’t had drafted high, anyway.

That's similar to an argument I had with an OU fan about Tyree? He said there is no way ND can do for Tyree what OU can. I said we got a player who didn't start until this year and only played 9 games drafted and look at Adams and Procise, a 3 star RB and a converted DB/WR. Think what we can do for a 5 star RB. Development is key and should count to these recruits.

 

[Rogue219]

I'd love a roster full of five star recruits as much as the next guy, but give me a few three star kids fueled by burning hatred and protein bars; I'll bet on them being winners.

 

[Sea Turtle]

His offer list is fine. Good kid and athlete. BC, ND, Nebraska, Purdue, WVU, VT, UK are good offers. We don't need every player to have bama, Clemson and OSU offers.

Welcome young man! You are going to be a part of an American icon in football! And your services are quite needed!

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I agree with the turtle.