'20 MA OT Kevin Pyne (Boston College Verbal)

[Irishnuke]

I don’t know anything about his high school, but I can’t imagine he’s getting the best coaching/training in Massachusetts. He still has a lot of time to improve as well. I wouldn’t write him off just yet.

 

[ab2cmiller]

ISD freebie offering some insights as to some 2020 Offensive Recruits
https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/7562/2020-offensive-outlook

When looking at how active Irish quarterback commit Drew Pyne is in recruiting prospects across the country, one can only imagine how persistent he is when talking to his cousin, who would be in charge of protecting him on the field. The Pynes have always maintained they each need to make the decision that is best for them, but they also understand they could add a unique chapter to a football family that has already seen three generations play professionally. The Massachusetts offensive lineman made a round of visits in the spring, including a stop at Notre Dame. Pyne said he liked the intensity and directness he saw from Irish offensive line coach Jeff Quinn. He’ll make another round of visits after his season and where he heads may be the best indication we get of what schools stand out to him. At this point, we’re keeping an eye on Michigan and Ohio State along with North Carolina, Duke and UCLA.

 

[OhioIrish31]

I don’t know anything about his high school, but I can’t imagine he’s getting the best coaching/training in Massachusetts. He still has a lot of time to improve as well. I wouldn’t write him off just yet.

I think this is the major point here. Coaches see something in him that they can work with. I graduated from a HS in Upstate NY with 105 kids in the class and went on to play at a DIII school. Nobody ever taught me how to back pedal (I was way too upright) until I was at the training camp with the Redskins. Point is, the coaches see an athlete that they can work with and I have confidence in them to bring him along. Hopefully he has the motor to go along with the potential.

 

[irish2018]

Poor to average HS competition in MASS. no doubt yet there are at times .ie. Mark Bavaro, Bob Clasby,Jack Shields, Mike Kelly type players from the area that graduate, produce well at ND, 3/4 of these professionally and contributors thereafter in post football life. ....I thought that that J Montelus would have contributed more coming from one of the two dominant programs in Massachusetts the past 2 decades. I think that the Mass. misses and Northeast misses on recruited players does effect ND's decisions sometimes to their detriment too. For example we will see not offered DE Joe Gaziano #97 this weekend on NW. Even a more dominating player in HS than Montelus from the other top 2 program in the State. It was suggested strongly to ND to give him an offer. They declined. It is such a tough call on average to poor competition areas.

 

[stlnd01]

Poor to average HS competition in MASS. no doubt yet there are at times .ie. Mark Bavaro, Bob Clasby,Jack Shields, Mike Kelly type players from the area that graduate, produce well at ND, 3/4 of these professionally and contributors thereafter in post football life. ....I thought that that J Montelus would have contributed more coming from one of the two dominant programs in Massachusetts the past 2 decades. I think that the Mass. misses and Northeast misses on recruited players does effect ND's decisions sometimes to their detriment too. For example we will see not offered DE Joe Gaziano #97 this weekend on NW. Even a more dominating player in HS than Montelus from the other top 2 program in the State. It was suggested strongly to ND to give him an offer. They declined. It is such a tough call on average to poor competition areas.

Oddly enough, our new all-time leading scorer played high school in Massachusetts. Though, a kicker from Tennessee who goes to boarding school outside Boston doesn't really count. Other than Yoon I think you have to go back to Bavaro in the mid-80s to find a player from Mass. who's actually done much at Notre Dame.

Just imagine, though, we could have had AJ Dillon if only we'd let him play running back like he wanted. And there's that '20 linebacker we're after from Milton Academy. He looks legit.

 

[NDIrish88]

He just posted a hudl film that says "senior" film. Class of 219. Did he reclassify to 2019?

 

[Luckylucci]

Yes he did, pretty wild

 

[NDIrish88]

Yes he did, pretty wild

Soooo is ND getting another commit soon for 2019 . . . ?

 

[Luckylucci]

So it was previously confirmed by both ISD and 247 but now 247 is saying that might not be the case. Probably let this one get figured out before following up on it.

 

[BobbyMac]

Michigan analyst Steve Lorenz is confirming it's done:

247Sports can confirm that Millis (MA) Milford offensive lineman Kevin Pyne has reclassified to the 2019 recruiting class.

https://247sports.com/college/michi...higan-Wolverines-recruiting-target-124359863/

 

[zelezo vlk]

Would he really be a better prospect if coming out this year?

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[BeauBenken]

Total project based on film. Sure he's big and can move but...that's about all I've got.


Looks like he needs to fill out more and get used to his body.

 

[greyhammer90]

In all seriousness, with the reclassification:

 

[zelezo vlk]

Is he a take with the reclassification? If I had to guess with the spots available I'd think no.

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[greyhammer90]

Per Loy via the 24/7 board, this might be a weird early enroll thing and he might still be considered a 2020 recruit by schools? Idk, super confusing.

 

[NDIrish88]

Tyler James confirmed last night. He will be an early enrollee in 2020. will graduate June 2019. Early Enroll in 2020. So he is taking 6 months off.

 

[Irish#1]

More than likely using the six months to hit the weights and get ready for the step up in competition.

 

[NDIrish88]

More than likely using the six months to hit the weights and get ready for the step up in competition.

As he should. . . .

 

[BobbyMac]

ND (or any school) could gray shirt him.

He graduates in June, comes to campus as a student (walk-on) during summer / fall and then goes on scholarship in Jan like the 2020 EE's.

That way Balis has him in the lab for 17 months before he's eligible to play.

I wonder if we find out he's too old to play football in Mass next year and doesn't want (or feel the need) to go back to prep school.

I could see more kids doing this. On one hand you would have players from families that could afford to pay for a semester out of pocket and on the other, those who qualify for a lot of aid and are going to a state school with low tuition cost. In Pyne's case, he'd benefit a lot more being on a scout team under the guidance of a college OL and S&C coach vs playing against low level Mass public school comp.

 

[NDIrish88]

ND (or any school) could gray shirt him.

He graduates in June, comes to campus as a student (walk-on) during summer / fall and then goes on scholarship in Jan like the 2020 EE's.

That way Balis has him in the lab for 17 months before he's eligible to play.

I wonder if we find out he's too old to play football in Mass next year and doesn't want (or feel the need) to go back to prep school.

I could see more kids doing this. On one hand you would have players from families that could afford to pay for a semester out of pocket and on the other, those who qualify for a lot of aid and are going to a state school with low tuition cost. In Pyne's case, he'd benefit a lot more being on a scout team under the guidance of a college OL and S&C coach vs playing against low level Mass public school comp.

Wonder when he makes the commitment? Next January is still a years away so we will see. I feel like ND has a great chance given Drew's commit.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wonder when he makes the commitment? Next January is still a years away so we will see. I feel like ND has a great chance given Drew's commit.

I'll guess he takes his of officials in April/May.

If I'm his prospective coach, I want him on campus asap. I don't want him taking a year off before he shows up in Jan '20.

You'd think ND's in good shape but I got a weird feeling when a MI analyst was the first to confirm it.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

ND (or any school) could gray shirt him.

He graduates in June, comes to campus as a student (walk-on) during summer / fall and then goes on scholarship in Jan like the 2020 EE's.

That way Balis has him in the lab for 17 months before he's eligible to play.

I wonder if we find out he's too old to play football in Mass next year and doesn't want (or feel the need) to go back to prep school.

I could see more kids doing this. On one hand you would have players from families that could afford to pay for a semester out of pocket and on the other, those who qualify for a lot of aid and are going to a state school with low tuition cost. In Pyne's case, he'd benefit a lot more being on a scout team under the guidance of a college OL and S&C coach vs playing against low level Mass public school comp.

I'm kind of confused by this. If he takes a gray shirt, then isn't he only a part time student for his first semester so his eligibility clock doesn't start? If so, then wouldn't he not be able to practice with the team, so he would still be sitting out football season. We could put him on scholarship for the spring semester, but at that point its basically the same as his just early enrolling except he also has a few extra college credits already.

If he is too old to play in Mass. wouldn't a better option be going to IMG for the year, or maybe even just this spring and next fall, and then enrolling either early or on regular schedule? He would face better competition than if he stays in Massachusetts and doesn't have to sit out a football season.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm kind of confused by this. If he takes a gray shirt, then isn't he only a part time student for his first semester so his eligibility clock doesn't start? If so, then wouldn't he not be able to practice with the team, so he would still be sitting out football season. We could put him on scholarship for the spring semester, but at that point its basically the same as his just early enrolling except he also has a few extra college credits already.

If he is too old to play in Mass. wouldn't a better option be going to IMG for the year, or maybe even just this spring and next fall, and then enrolling either early or on regular schedule? He would face better competition than if he stays in Massachusetts and doesn't have to sit out a football season.

I'm wrong to use the term gray shirt. Gray shirts are not full time and can't practice. I think he should come to school full time as a walk on for the summer and fall, start his clock and work out with the team. This could be the ND's version of gray shirting for kids who can afford to foot the bill for a semester. In the past I've called it Gold Shirting. Back to his clock: Yes it would start as a 2019 player but does it really matter? It is in essence his redshirt year anyways. He'll still have up to 4.5 years of scholarship to get his BA/BS & MA/MS/MBA and how many true freshman OL's after Hainsey will ever play meaningful snaps at ND in the near future? I think that number is zero. Few second year players are going to break the rotation in the next 4 years.

 

[TomHaverford]

great example of why the 247 and Rivals way too early rankings are just stupid and pointless.

Went from 5*, top 10 player in the nation to 3* in less than a year.

These sites would have way more credibility if they just waited until after their jr years to rank recruits.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

I'm wrong to use the term gray shirt. Gray shirts are not full time and can't practice. I think he should come to school full time as a walk on for the summer and fall, start his clock and work out with the team. This could be the ND's version of gray shirting for kids who can afford to foot the bill for a semester. In the past I've called it Gold Shirting. Back to his clock: Yes it would start as a 2019 player but does it really matter? It is in essence his redshirt year anyways. He'll still have up to 4.5 years of scholarship to get his BA/BS & MA/MS/MBA and how many true freshman OL's after Hainsey will ever play meaningful snaps at ND in the near future? I think that number is zero. Few second year players are going to break the rotation in the next 4 years.

So it sounds like what you're suggesting is what this article calls blueshirting. We would basically be sacrificing him really being able to be a fifth year because his fifth year would be his senior season if he were a 2020 recruit, but if he is old for his grade then I guess this would just make him normal aged for his class while saving us the scholarship for this class but still letting him get a scholarship this year.

Edit: Reading another article it sounds like the scholarship for the first semester would still count towards the 85 but not the 25, which doesn't really help us much.

 

[NDMIA]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SENIOR YEAR HIGHLIGHTS - <a href="https://t.co/F7XvV9n97L">https://t.co/F7XvV9n97L</a></p>— kevin pyne (@kevinpyne75) <a href="https://twitter.com/kevinpyne75/status/1059958325536731137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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If you need anymore evidence, Kevin Pyne just listed his highlights as "Senior" highlights for "2019" Kevin Pyne. I hope ND is able to fit him in somehow. I'd honestly take him and Vimahi if Pyne is able to wait for a scholarship to pop up. Although I think Vimahi is trending to Utah so that would be a moot point. Pyne could be burst onto the scene in his 3rd/4th year in college after some strength and conditioning!

 

[BobbyMac]

So it sounds like what you're suggesting is what this article calls blueshirting. We would basically be sacrificing him really being able to be a fifth year because his fifth year would be his senior season if he were a 2020 recruit, but if he is old for his grade then I guess this would just make him normal aged for his class while saving us the scholarship for this class but still letting him get a scholarship this year.

Can't Blue Shirt him. He's already been offered and I think they've gone into his school with him present. To Blue Shirt you can't do either of those and you can't give him an OV. (Though they can unofficial)

So K-Pyne can't Blue Shirt... but JD Betrand could... Hmmmmmm.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SENIOR YEAR HIGHLIGHTS - <a href="https://t.co/F7XvV9n97L">https://t.co/F7XvV9n97L</a></p>— kevin pyne (@kevinpyne75) <a href="https://twitter.com/kevinpyne75/status/1059958325536731137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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If you need anymore evidence, Kevin Pyne just listed his highlights as "Senior" highlights for "2019" Kevin Pyne. I hope ND is able to fit him in somehow. I'd honestly take him and Vimahi if Pyne is able to wait for a scholarship to pop up. Although I think Vimahi is trending to Utah so that would be a moot point. Pyne could be burst onto the scene in his 3rd/4th year in college after some strength and conditioning!

This film is what started the commotion last night.

I'd pass if he's dead set on being a '19 grad, sitting out the summer/fall and training with his peeps during the '19 season and then enrolling in Jan '20 as a '20 EE.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Can't Blue Shirt him. He's already been offered and I think they've gone into his school with him present. To Blue Shirt you can't do either of those and you can't give him an OV. (Though they can unofficial)

So K-Pyne can't Blue Shirt... but JD Betrand could... Hmmmmmm.

So the best option for him would basically be to be a PWO and pay his own way for a semester which would suck for him having to pay but would be okay by us because he is basically age appropriate now.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Can't Blue Shirt him. He's already been offered and I think they've gone into his school with him present. To Blue Shirt you can't do either of those and you can't give him an OV. (Though they can unofficial)

So K-Pyne can't Blue Shirt... but JD Betrand could... Hmmmmmm.

Very interesting