'19 NC ATH Donovan Greene (Wake Forest Verbal)

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That first step on the Blocked punt was pretty impressive.

As a WR, he does a stutter step on almost every play that they ran. Probably just a habit and easily correctable.
 

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I'm literally just talking about his first 2 steps after "hike". That's not setting anyone up at that point, he's just slow off of the line. It's fixable, so I'm not worried about it.

I want him on this team.

You're 100% correct and anyone disagreeing simply isn't understanding what you've been talking about. It's all technique and practice. Plenty of other young receivers do the same thing. He's just very athletic on top so its far more noticeable.
 

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I'm not. He does not have a quick first step. It's something that he'll have to work on. just that first step. And that's fixable.

Usain Bolt has been slow out of the gate his entire career. Give him a call and tell him how to fix that. He might run an 8.8 100 meter with your help. lol
 

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Usain Bolt has been slow out of the gate his entire career. Give him a call and tell him how to fix that. He might run an 8.8 100 meter with your help. lol

Not sure that's the example I would use. Running 100 meters with substantially more time to get to top end speed, or needing to create separation after 5-10 yards (maybe immediately), are different athletic traits.
 

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This is a very confusing discussion. Greene is a WR, not a SDE.

The first step can be negated very quickly with the CB playing two yds off the line of scrimmage.

Greene creates separation downfield. All WR's create separation downfield. How many times do you think you can blow by a P5 CB at the LOS? Maybe once at the start of the season.
 

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This is a very confusing discussion. Greene is a WR, not a SDE.

The first step can be negated very quickly with the CB playing two yds off the line of scrimmage.

Greene creates separation downfield. All WR's create separation downfield. How many times do you think you can blow by a P5 CB at the LOS? Maybe once at the start of the season.

This is like week 10
https://twitter.com/deshonekizer/status/738200046559236098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishenvy.com%2Fforums%2F2013-recruiting-profiles%2F70993-13-pa-wr-will-fuller-notre-dame-signed-loi-34.html
 

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This is a very confusing discussion. Greene is a WR, not a SDE.

The first step can be negated very quickly with the CB playing two yds off the line of scrimmage.

Greene creates separation downfield. All WR's create separation downfield. How many times do you think you can blow by a P5 CB at the LOS? Maybe once at the start of the season.

The whole point in my mind is that he has some technique clean-up that needs to be done. It's has little (nothing) to do with generating separation at the LOS. It's about being sound fundamentally to make it harder to cover a WR. What Greene currently does, which is rock step coming out of his stance, can / will get him locked up by press coverage at the next level or give away his route by being inconsistent with the first few steps off the line. A good P5 CB will know these tendencies, helping eliminate parts of the route tree that the CB might need to cover.
 

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Not sure that's the example I would use. Running 100 meters with substantially more time to get to top end speed, or needing to create separation after 5-10 yards (maybe immediately), are different athletic traits.

You're missing the humor Lucky.

Addressing the difference, I won't argue they may be different, but I'm not sure they are different traits. A sprinter may have more time to get to top speed, but sprinters want to get to top speed asap to create separation. It's not uncommon the hear a sprinter say they could have gotten out of the gate quicker. I agree there can be some improvement getting off the line via improvement in technique and conditioning, but there is a limitation due to the person's physical composition.
 

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Any word on this guy recently? I thought we had a great shot after the decommit. Also anything on Zhonovan Knight?
 

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Any word on this guy recently? I thought we had a great shot after the decommit. Also anything on Zhonovan Knight?

I'm very curious about the Greene situation as well. Guy is almost a ghost on twitter and not much has come out about him doing visits and things like that. Zonovan Knight seems to be going between NC State, UNC, and Duke (less likely to recommit) so I don't think he goes out of state let alone to ND.
 

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Wake now has two of my original Top 10 Fit List WR's in Greene and Nolan Groulx... and ND has no WR commitments.

Funny but not a bit worried.
 

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Wake now has two of my original Top 10 Fit List WR's in Greene and Nolan Groulx... and ND has no WR commitments.

Funny but not a bit worried.

Yeah when it comes to skill players on offense I'm more excited for 2020
 

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Yeah when it comes to skill players on offense I'm more excited for 2020

Absolutely.

They'll get Cam Hart this class with a good shot at TJ Sheffield.

After that they are in it for Brenton Strange, Elijah Bowick with Eli Pancol a flip candidate down near Indy.

The one that would make the class is Cornelius Johnson but Stanford has to be almost a lock.

Since I've been on a bit of a rag run this morning, I'll add that their handling of John Metchie's recruitment left much to be desired. It was apparent early on that ND was starting off in the pole position and they quickly gave that up to PSU. Now Bama appears to be the leader but ya never know what happens if you broke your back to get in the lead and he connected with a group of players in his class.
 

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Absolutely.

They'll get Cam Hart this class with a good shot at TJ Sheffield.

After that they are in it for Brenton Strange, Elijah Bowick with Eli Pancol a flip candidate down near Indy.

The one that would make the class is Cornelius Johnson but Stanford has to be almost a lock.

Since I've been on a bit of a rag run this morning, I'll add that their handling of John Metchie's recruitment left much to be desired. It was apparent early on that ND was starting off in the pole position and they quickly gave that up to PSU. Now Bama appears to be the leader but ya never know what happens if you broke your back to get in the lead and he connected with a group of players in his class.

Some players just connect with other coaches, schools, etc. more than ND. I don't think losing a recruitment necessarily means it was handled poorly. Nobody is batting 1.000 in recruiting.

Unless you have some info, what was wrong with how they handled the recruitment?
 

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Absolutely.

They'll get Cam Hart this class with a good shot at TJ Sheffield.

After that they are in it for Brenton Strange, Elijah Bowick with Eli Pancol a flip candidate down near Indy.

The one that would make the class is Cornelius Johnson but Stanford has to be almost a lock.

Since I've been on a bit of a rag run this morning, I'll add that their handling of John Metchie's recruitment left much to be desired. It was apparent early on that ND was starting off in the pole position and they quickly gave that up to PSU. Now Bama appears to be the leader but ya never know what happens if you broke your back to get in the lead and he connected with a group of players in his class.

I liked Metchie but something seemed off with him. Just a vibe I got from reading articles. Never quite liked the staff too.

Also since we got 4 WRs last class that are studs IMO, getting Cam Hart and Sheffield and maybe Pancol isn't bad.
 
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