'18 MD DT PJ Mustipher (Penn State Verbal)

[dad4aa]

Lol, guy walks on water, until he trends away from Notre Dame. Now he's overrated.

Don't be a dick. I never thought he walked on water and don't believe he is trending one way or another...I asked a serious question. A score of 70 seems very low and not indicative of his offers or his ranking. Wondered if he is overrated or had a bad showing.

 

[Luckylucci]

Don't be a dick. I never thought he walked on water and don't believe he is trending one way or another...I asked a serious question. A score of 70 seems very low and not indicative of his offers or his ranking. Wondered if he is overrated or had a bad showing.

I think he has some traits that make for a high floor/low ceiling NT. That is very attractive to a lot of staffs. However, you are also seeing, some of these staffs that are willing to offer non-committable offers, take a step back from him.

 

[Irish Man3]

Franklin over Mustipher. I've been in that corner for months.

Keep the twins and add Booker and Franklin. Shoot for the moon on a WDE

 

[IrishLax]

I think he will be a very good player and missing him would be huge. It's not recent for people to say Franklin > Mustipher... they've been on that train for months, because that was apparently where the staff was pushing and they went and watched his film.

I do not care about "upside" and I sure as hell don't care abut SPARQ rating for a DT. PJ is a championship wrestler, and won DL MVP at his Opening regional. He has great size and plays very good competition and does not get moved off the ball. Is he overrated? Underrated? I don't know, but people around here think he's the real deal as an athlete and person.

If Franklin is so good why doesn't he have an offer from Maryland? Why zero Tier 1 ACC or SEC offers? Why rated as consensus mid 3? Why did he not even make his All-State team much less All-Met out here?

Basically, either ND coaches know something that literally no one else does a la Will Fuller or people are overrating highlights that show a quick first step against bad competition.

 

[Luckylucci]

Franklin over Mustipher. I've been in that corner for months.

Keep the twins and add Booker and Franklin. Shoot for the moon on a WDE

Perfect scenario and I agree with Franklin over Mustipher. However, on the bolded, I've been reading a lot about the twins and family sticking with ND, as long as they don't recruit too many DL. Would bringing in a SDE (Booker) and another WDE (unknown) with Justin, be too many?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Perfect scenario and I agree with Franklin over Mustipher. However, on the bolded, I've been reading a lot about the twins and family sticking with ND, as long as they don't recruit too many DL. Would bringing in a SDE (Booker) and another WDE (unknown) with Justin, be too many?

Don't know where they'd go that would recruit less!

 

[Irish Man3]

Perfect scenario and I agree with Franklin over Mustipher. However, on the bolded, I've been reading a lot about the twins and family sticking with ND, as long as they don't recruit too many DL. Would bringing in a SDE (Booker) and another WDE (unknown) with Justin, be too many?

I don't have an answer for that. One would hope that wouldn't be a problem and it's sad that it comes to that. Alabama and OSU have been in heavy contact with the twins, are we to believe their classes will revolve around the twins?

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't have an answer for that. One would hope that wouldn't be a problem and it's sad that it comes to that. Alabama and OSU have been in heavy contact with the twins, are we to believe their classes will revolve around the twins?

No, but the way its being explained is that ND has early path to the field and academics, Bama and OSU have NFL development. If ND doesn't offer that early path to the field, they might be enticed by the other opportunities. Some of that could be overcome with a good showing by Elko and this defense. So, if ND can get back to preaching player development on that side of the ball, this may not matter.

Who knows how much of this is true, but it's really be pushed by 247.

 

[dublinirish]

No, but the way its being explained is that ND has early path to the field and academics, Bama and OSU have NFL development. If ND doesn't offer that early path to the field, they might be enticed by the other opportunities. Some of that could be overcome with a good showing by Elko and this defense. So, if ND can get back to preaching player development on that side of the ball, this may not matter.

Who knows how much of this is true, but it's really be pushed by 247.

problem is this last draft has shown for OSU early playing time aint really matter. They had multiple 1 year starters go as high draft picks

 

[KizerWilhelm]

I think he will be a very good player and missing him would be huge. It's not recent for people to say Franklin > Mustipher... they've been on that train for months, because that was apparently where the staff was pushing and they went and watched his film.

I do not care about "upside" and I sure as hell don't care abut SPARQ rating for a DT. PJ is a championship wrestler, and won DL MVP at his Opening regional. He has great size and plays very good competition and does not get moved off the ball. Is he overrated? Underrated? I don't know, but people around here think he's the real deal as an athlete and person.

If Franklin is so good why doesn't he have an offer from Maryland? Why zero Tier 1 ACC or SEC offers? Why rated as consensus mid 3? Why did he not even make his All-State team much less All-Met out here?

Basically, either ND coaches know something that literally no one else does a la Will Fuller or people are overrating highlights that show a quick first step against bad competition.

These are my feelings exactly. <s>Franklin plays in North Carolina and hasn't even received attention from NC State and UNC, let alone an offer</s> LOL, DISREGARD, I AM VERY SIMPLE. Schools like Penn State and Michigan stopped by, and passed on him. To the SEC he might as well not exist.

Meanwhile, Alabama, Tennessee, Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, Miami have all offered PJ. Every service has him in ~100 and a top ten DT. It's hard to say that they'd ALL be wrong on this one and Kelly is a secret DL whisperer.

I'm much higher on Franklin than the services are, but this notion that he's the next best DT on the board over PJ feels like positive spin on losing a recruit that was ND's to lose.

 

[Rocket 94]

These are my feelings exactly. Franklin plays in North Carolina and hasn't even received attention from NC State and UNC, let alone an offer. Schools like Penn State and Michigan stopped by, and passed on him. To the SEC he might as well not exist.

Meanwhile, Alabama, Tennessee, Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, Miami have all offered PJ. Every service has him in ~100 and a top ten DT. It's hard to say that they'd ALL be wrong on this one and Kelly is a secret DL whisperer.

I'm much higher on Franklin than the services are, but this notion that he's the next best DT on the board over PJ feels like positive spin on losing a recruit that was ND's to lose.

Franklin plays at North Caroline High School in Maryland, not in North Carolina. Can be very confusing but he is a Maryland kid.

 

[dwshade]

Perfect scenario and I agree with Franklin over Mustipher. However, on the bolded, I've been reading a lot about the twins and family sticking with ND, as long as they don't recruit too many DL. Would bringing in a SDE (Booker) and another WDE (unknown) with Justin, be too many?

On the II podcast it was mentioned that ND has pulled back from Mustipher and that adding Franklin, Booker and Oweh looks very positive. As far as I know the twins family is fine with that. They have to know that the Bama's and OSU's of the world never stop recruiting DL. Too important to have quality depth there.

 

[Big23Head]

On the II podcast it was mentioned that ND has pulled back from Mustipher and that adding Franklin, Booker and Oweh looks very positive. As far as I know the twins family is fine with that. They have to know that the Bama's and OSU's of the world never stop recruiting DL. Too important to have quality depth there.

To add, the Scout guys feel he may be a good DT but could be a great OG.

http://www.scout.com/college/notre-dame/forums/1052-four-horsemen-lounge/16494481-pj-mustipher-psu

 

[Rocket89]

I think he will be a very good player and missing him would be huge. It's not recent for people to say Franklin > Mustipher... they've been on that train for months, because that was apparently where the staff was pushing and they went and watched his film.

I do not care about "upside" and I sure as hell don't care abut SPARQ rating for a DT. PJ is a championship wrestler, and won DL MVP at his Opening regional. He has great size and plays very good competition and does not get moved off the ball. Is he overrated? Underrated? I don't know, but people around here think he's the real deal as an athlete and person.

If Franklin is so good why doesn't he have an offer from Maryland? Why zero Tier 1 ACC or SEC offers? Why rated as consensus mid 3? Why did he not even make his All-State team much less All-Met out here?

Basically, either ND coaches know something that literally no one else does a la Will Fuller or people are overrating highlights that show a quick first step against bad competition.

I know right, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The staff has the 5'11" guy with 5'7" arms/legs rated higher than Mustipher?? There are a parade of red flags flying all over this right now.

 

[GBdomer]

I know right, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The staff has the 5'11" guy with 5'7" arms/legs rated higher than Mustipher?? There are a parade of red flags flying all over this right now.

Yes, rivals has him as 6'3 and he looks 5'10 in that photo with short arms

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Didn't he measure like 6'2" or something at the Opening regionals. But he admits he is like 6'1". I think Franklin is at least 6'0".

And I do think they need to go hard after Mustipher. As him and Ewell might be better guards than DT. So they can bring flexibility.


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[koonja]

I know right, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The staff has the 5'11" guy with 5'7" arms/legs rated higher than Mustipher?? There are a parade of red flags flying all over this right now.

Yes, rivals has him as 6'3 and he looks 5'10 in that photo with short arms

What the hell, he's like 3 feet tall?

 

[GBdomer]

ND rivals Driskell thinks we are fading here

Surging with Oweh

https://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/bgi-recruiting-chat-june-11.108595/page-2

 

[KizerWilhelm]

ND rivals Driskell thinks we are fading here

Surging with Oweh

https://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/bgi-recruiting-chat-june-11.108595/page-2

1. No shit.

2. The same Oweh who just got a flurry of CB's to the Buckeyes? We'll see, but I'm somewhat skeptical.

 

[GBdomer]

1. No shit.

2. The same Oweh who just got a flurry of CB's to the Buckeyes? We'll see, but I'm somewhat skeptical.

Calm down Richard, I am just reporting news. Oweh I'm not buying it. I don't think OSU has room at the moment. Just need to overcome his relationships with PSU

 

[Sherm Sticky]

ND rivals Driskell thinks we are fading here

Surging with Oweh

https://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/bgi-recruiting-chat-june-11.108595/page-2

I'll take that trade.


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[KizerWilhelm]

Calm down Richard, I am just reporting news. Oweh I'm not buying it. I don't think OSU has room at the moment. Just need to overcome his relationships with PSU

No worries, that was directed at Driskell, not you.

 

[irishandy]

Just need to overcome his relationships with PSU

Do you think ND has a shot here?

 

[dwshade]

Do you think ND has a shot here?

Absolutely. Both his parents are Harvard grads so what we have to offer academically is very appealing to the family.

I'm referring to Oweh not Mustipher. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[GBdomer]

Do you think ND has a shot here?

No at this point I don't think ND wants him and I don't think he wants ND

 

[GBdomer]

Going back to LAsch Basch whatever the hell that is at PSU

Mustipher is generally pretty tight-lipped so it's a little surprising that he admitted Penn State, Maryland, and Tennessee are in the best position right now. Even though he didn't say it, Penn State seems like the leader with Maryland and Tennessee nipping at their heels. Alabama is a wild card but, with a commitment that come at any moment, it will be a win for Maryland, Tennessee, the Crimson Tide, and the rest of Mustipher's top contenders if he comes away from his upcoming Penn State visit uncommitted.


https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals250-dt-has-penn-state-maryland-tennessee-a-cut-above-the-rest-

Pretty much just all PSU right now IMO

 

[#1rish]

Committed to PSU.

 

[Meatloaf]

Committed to NAMBLA.

FTFY

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I feel bad for him.

 

[TheChosen1]

When is that Paterno movie coming out?