'17 NY QB Jack Coan (Notre Dame Transfer)

[Irishize]

Buchner missed his soph season w/ injury
Then he turned in a great junior season.
He missed his senior season due to COVID

As much as I want him to come start right away, that’s asking a lot of a kid who has only played one of the past three seasons.

The 2021 schedule looks manageable if we returned the entire team from 2020. ND is rebuilding and nothing is guaranteed regardless of QB.

Hopefully Buchner enrolling early helps his development (assuming they get a spring) and gets him acclimated to ND. I also hope Coan can be a mentor to him b/c there was no returning experience to speak of w/ his addition.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Watched his highlights. He is very similar to Book. First read QB. Not much progression. Once the pocket collapses, he tends to run. I can see why Wisconsin let him go. Highly doubt he wins the job...unless the staff doesn’t want to endure the growing pains with Pyne, Clark, or Buchner.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Tony Pike 2.0

 

[Free Manera]

Tony Pike 2.0

Tony Pike had a cannon though didn't he?

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Definitely more willing to let it rip than Book. That’s what we all want, just know that more interceptions will come with that. Gotta take the good w/ the bad...at least he gives receivers a chance.

The narrative has been our receivers don't get open. Well film study on some of the experts/pods ect show that is just not ALWAYS the case. There were multiple times when guys had half a step or more and Book didn't see them or showed that Book (who I loved btw) would not throw the damn ball and throw receivers open. The odd times he did, plays were made. It may have been more of a "vision" thing, just not seeing the play developed downfield.

The fact that ex. Duke's QB was making throws downfield is an example of this vision. Book just wouldn't take any chances/shots to even keep teams honest. Each year he seemed to pull back a little bit more. His first year as a starter, he seemed to sling it a lot more then he did later on.

Now go watch Coan's film. Yeah he hits the wide open guy, any QB would, but he also throws a nice deep ball and lets his WR adjust and make themselves open. That is a key component that was seriously lacking from IBs game.

Will we lose a guy from the QB room? Probably, but guess what. This is big boy rules. Put up or Shut up. Clamoring for a Tyler B (twitter is a mess) is just silly. The guy obviously is an athlete, but is also a guy who got hurt as a Soph, played weak comp as a Junior and didn't have a senior season. We don't know what we have yet. Anyone who says different is lying to themselves. Tyler Davis in your face is a helluva lot different the a HS DT.

 

[Rogue219]

Am I seeing his 2019 numbers right? Threw for nearly 2,800 yards?

If he's healthy, I don't see how he isn't a starter.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Watched his highlights. He very similar to Book. First read QB. Not much progression. Once the pocket collapses, he tends to run. I can see why Wisconsin let him go. Highly doubt he wins the job...unless the staff doesn’t want to endure the growing pains with Pyne, Clark, or Buchner.

What film were you watching? Dude stood tough in the pocket and took hits getting rid of the ball. Go watch the film study that Urban Myer did on him. Meyer talked about him being very good at going through his reads/looking off DBs and standing in the pocket to make a throw.

 

[Dale]

Watched his highlights. He is very similar to Book. First read QB. Not much progression. Once the pocket collapses, he tends to run. I can see why Wisconsin let him go. Highly doubt he wins the job...unless the staff doesn’t want to endure the growing pains with Pyne, Clark, or Buchner.

Wisconsin didn’t let him go he was going to start this year. All of Wisconsin wanted Maertz to start last year, all Coan did was get them to the Rose Bowl. Then they all wanted Maertz to start this year and Coan got hurt and got their wish, played one good game and got anointed. Think most UW fans were looking back to Coan by game 3.

 

[irishff1014]

Watched his highlights. He is very similar to Book. First read QB. Not much progression. Once the pocket collapses, he tends to run. I can see why Wisconsin let him go. Highly doubt he wins the job...unless the staff doesn’t want to endure the growing pains with Pyne, Clark, or Buchner.

Not sure which highlights you watched.

 

[Free Manera]

Am I seeing his 2019 numbers right? Threw for nearly 2,800 yards?

If he's healthy, I don't see how he isn't a starter.

I feel like he is the game 1 starter. I don't know what happens by game 6 though. If Buchner reverts to his old throwing motion and is destroying the D in practice, they will have to get him on the field some.

The alternative is he get his first minutes in the Horseshoe in 2022, with likely a full stadium, at night.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Would love to know what offense you'd have run with pedestrian WR core and a QB who can't throw a slant because he isn't tall enough to see over OL

I thought they did a good job with what they had. Like the poster you were responding to, I would like to see some offensive evolution to a philosophy more focused on a vertical passing game. And like that poster, I think adding a game manager like Coan is some indication that the staff does not see things the way I do.

 

[pumpdog20]

Is that going to be any worse than potentially having a first time starter for the opener in Columbus in 2022?

2022 is a brutal slate....OSU, Clemson, USC, Stanford, UNC among others. I would prefer 2021 be used to build for 2022.

I'm with you. Instead of playing 2021 with a true freshman who hasn't played in a year, we'll start 2022 with a redshirt freshman who hasn't played in two.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Am I seeing his 2019 numbers right? Threw for nearly 2,800 yards?

If he's healthy, I don't see how he isn't a starter.

I'm sure Wisconsin fans felt the same way at the beginning of this season

Edit: You're probably right though

 

[IrishLax]

Watched his highlights. He is very similar to Book. First read QB. Not much progression. Once the pocket collapses, he tends to run. I can see why Wisconsin let him go. Highly doubt he wins the job...unless the staff doesn’t want to endure the growing pains with Pyne, Clark, or Buchner.

Literally none of this is true, and easily refuted by using your eyeballs. The only similarity in their games is not stretching the field vertically. Everything else is a virtual opposite.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Wisconsin QB Jack Coan announces he's transferring to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a>. He completed 70% of his passes and had an 18-5 TD-INT ratio last year... The Irish QB room is also gonna be loaded with lacrosse talent.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1346276187585171457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LAX RN

 

[NDRock]

Literally none of this is true, and easily refuted by using your eyeballs. The only similarity in their games is not stretching the field vertically. Everything else is a virtual opposite.

Yeah. Was reading a Wisconsin board and they were curious how he would fit into a Brian Kelly offense since throwing downfield is not a strength of his. I guess the poster hasn't watched ND in awhile.

 

[Irish du Nord]

I did see him play live against Minnesota in 2019. He had some nice downfield throws, mostly to Cephus IIRC. It was in a snowstorm and he managed it a lot better than Tanner Morgan of MN did

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Yeah. Was reading a Wisconsin board and they were curious how he would fit into a Brian Kelly offense since throwing downfield is not a strength of his. I guess the poster hasn't watched ND in awhile.

It may not be his "strength", but on film he is at least willing and capable. There are some really nice downfield throws with touch made in his highlights.

 

[Free Manera]

Yeah. Was reading a Wisconsin board and they were curious how he would fit into a Brian Kelly offense since throwing downfield is not a strength of his. I guess the poster hasn't watched ND in awhile.

I would love to see Kelly go back to his Cincinatti route tree. I'm not saying full blown air raid, you need balance run and pass. And you know ND's strength is OL and TE play.

But I loved watching them run 4 verticals and triangle reads and just letting Pike/Collaros look for the green space and let it loose.

 

[Dale]

I think a underrated part of this choice is his teammates have to like him. Simple but you bring in a guy that obviously is playing for his draft stock, may not jive with some. Coan seems to have leadership qualities and would truly want to be at ND regardless. He should gain trust of teammates quickly

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Im not confident in what we have in our other QBs and I think Buchner needs a year at least to grow. Coan seems like a day 1 starter if he can gel with the other guys.

Film was nice. Decisive, progression checks, and some decent deep balls.

 

[notredomer23]

As long as our line next year doesn't regress significantly and the receivers stay healthy, this should be an upgrade to the passing game IMO. That's not a knock on Book. Coan will have two stud RBs, what should be a good to great offensive line again even with 4 new starters, an elite tight end, and a plethora of receivers that will hopefully remain healthy or take the next step that run sub 4.7 40s. I will certainly miss Book's escape ability, but this feels about as good of a 1 year fill in as you can get since we can't bank on Buchner being ready with no football in Cali this past year.

 

[PANDFAN]

think there are some better fits in the portal in terms of talent and use in our offense but certainly beats throwing out someone with little to no experience....it makes for waaaay too long of a season

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Tony Pike had a cannon though didn't he?

I can't remember. What I do remember is that Pike went down in a game and some other dude came in and lit it up as well.

I just used the Pike comparison because this guy has a little Height. how tall was Kizer? everyone else has been relatively short, right?

 

[Rogue219]

Doesn't ND have two really good WR that are going to be RS FR in 2021? They never saw the field this year.

I have to assume they will break into the two deep this spring and fall?

Plus the TE running around everywhere. That should be fun.

 

[Free Manera]

I can't remember. What I do remember is that Pike went down in a game and some other dude came in and lit it up as well.

I just used the Pike comparison because this guy has a little Height. how tall was Kizer? everyone else has been relatively short, right?

I think that was Zach Collaros. He was much more like a Book if I remember right. I think Pike was like 6'5 and spun it all over the field but was kind of a statue.

 

[irishandy]

I like this pick up for the Irish.

Right now I cannot believe in Buchner to come in and be the starter especially with the unknown future of the Covid. Let him sit for a year.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Literally none of this is true, and easily refuted by using your eyeballs. The only similarity in their games is not stretching the field vertically. Everything else is a virtual opposite.

Hope I am wrong.

 

[Irish#1]

Watched his highlights. He is very similar to Book. First read QB. Not much progression. Once the pocket collapses, he tends to run. I can see why Wisconsin let him go. Highly doubt he wins the job...unless the staff doesn’t want to endure the growing pains with Pyne, Clark, or Buchner.

What film were you watching? Dude stood tough in the pocket and took hits getting rid of the ball. Go watch the film study that Urban Myer did on him. Meyer talked about him being very good at going through his reads/looking off DBs and standing in the pocket to make a throw.

Wisconsin didn’t let him go he was going to start this year. All of Wisconsin wanted Maertz to start last year, all Coan did was get them to the Rose Bowl. Then they all wanted Maertz to start this year and Coan got hurt and got their wish, played one good game and got anointed. Think most UW fans were looking back to Coan by game 3.

Not sure which highlights you watched.

Literally none of this is true, and easily refuted by using your eyeballs. The only similarity in their games is not stretching the field vertically. Everything else is a virtual opposite.

I'm guessing you didn't see this coming? lol

Dude looks like he can go deep and play in a more open offense if it's there. Keep in mind he wasn't a mad bomber because Wiscy's O is based off of RTDB.

 

[Irishize]

The narrative has been our receivers don't get open. Well film study on some of the experts/pods ect show that is just not ALWAYS the case. There were multiple times when guys had half a step or more and Book didn't see them or showed that Book (who I loved btw) would not throw the damn ball and throw receivers open. The odd times he did, plays were made. It may have been more of a "vision" thing, just not seeing the play developed downfield.

The fact that ex. Duke's QB was making throws downfield is an example of this vision. Book just wouldn't take any chances/shots to even keep teams honest. Each year he seemed to pull back a little bit more. His first year as a starter, he seemed to sling it a lot more then he did later on.

Now go watch Coan's film. Yeah he hits the wide open guy, any QB would, but he also throws a nice deep ball and lets his WR adjust and make themselves open. That is a key component that was seriously lacking from IBs game.

Will we lose a guy from the QB room? Probably, but guess what. This is big boy rules. Put up or Shut up. Clamoring for a Tyler B (twitter is a mess) is just silly. The guy obviously is an athlete, but is also a guy who got hurt as a Soph, played weak comp as a Junior and didn't have a senior season. We don't know what we have yet. Anyone who says different is lying to themselves. Tyler Davis in your face is a helluva lot different the a HS DT.

You’re preaching to the choir. I’ve been saying that for months. I love Book, too but in the last game of the season, I wanted him to throw caution into the wind and at least give his WR a chance. He had nothing to lose but he or Rees chose to limit the playing field to the entire width of the field but only about 20 yds down the field. That’s pretty easy to defense.