'16 TX RB Trevor Speights (Stanford Grad-Transfer)

[Luckylucci]

I don't really understand this one either but they've had awhile to deliberate on this and felt like it was the right decision. I guess we'll see.

 

[irishandy]

With ND getting Speights, I wonder if ND will get a RB for the 2021 class?

 

[stpeteirish]

With ND getting Speights, I wonder if ND will get a RB for the 2021 class?

None of the stories today say if he has 1 or 2 years of eligibility, unless I missed it.

 

[Free Manera]

https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/12480/thoughts-on-notre-dame-landing-rb-trevor-speights

Jamie is not impressed.

First sentence sums it up (free part of article preview so quote should be alright): "I feel it says a lot more about how they feel about the backs on the roster than thinking Speights is going to come in and fill the shoes of Tony Jones Jr."

Unfortunately it seems like the staff isn't confident in the running back room and just needed a warm body.

 

[ThePiombino]

I am not sure if averages are a solid way to measure a guy like Speights though. You have to take into account how he was used (or not because he was injured).


I don't think we would be adding him just to add him. Have to think he brings something to the room, and that he can contribute.

There's not a stat, pundit, or otherwise out there that suggests this is a net positive. Add in the fact that he's injury prone. Yikes.

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[Irish YJ]

There's not a stat, pundit, or otherwise out there that suggests this is a net positive. Add in the fact that he's injury prone. Yikes.

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I wonder if it's just because Taylor recruited him to Stanford, and it was just an easy body to pick up for him due to the pre-existing relationship.

 

[Valpodoc85]

I think he will be good for Tyree. Senior voice in the room. Show people how to carry themselves for success.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

There are some videos a bit back on this thread that show him to be a pretty good pass-blocking back. We all know how much Kelly prizes that.
If that´s the case, and with protection for Book being so important, I can see him playing quite a bit over over backs.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wonder if it's just because Taylor recruited him to Stanford, and it was just an easy body to pick up for him due to the pre-existing relationship.

Probably the only reason he's here now. But why? People are talking about a senior voice. Cat get Armstrong's tongue? I dunno, I just feel like we have so many questions in the RB room and taking away their snaps is not the best way to answer them. Bottom line - this boils down to ND's ineffective recruiting at the position during the Denson years coupled by incredibly the nearsighted Shipley recruiting philosophy.

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[GowerND11]

Probably the only reason he's here now. But why? People are talking about a senior voice. Cat get Armstrong's tongue? I dunno, I just feel like we have so many questions in the RB room and taking away their snaps is not the best way to answer them. Bottom line - this boils down to ND's ineffective recruiting at the position during the Denson years coupled by incredibly the nearsighted Shipley recruiting philosophy.

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I mean, we had two guys also transfer out due to behavior problems who would be seniors right now didn’t we? Can’t blame recruiting on that too much.

 

[stpeteirish]

FWIW 247 has a profile of Spieghts up today and they says he is out of eligibility after this year.

 

[Irish YJ]

Probably the only reason he's here now. But why? People are talking about a senior voice. Cat get Armstrong's tongue? I dunno, I just feel like we have so many questions in the RB room and taking away their snaps is not the best way to answer them. Bottom line - this boils down to ND's ineffective recruiting at the position during the Denson years coupled by incredibly the nearsighted Shipley recruiting philosophy.

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I also think RB might be one of the groups they think will see a transfer. If we're truly 5ish over the 85, I have to assume they knew where the attrition was going to come from.

 

[317Irish]

I also think RB might be one of the groups they think will see a transfer. If we're truly 5ish over the 85, I have to assume they knew where the attrition was going to come from.

Kyren, right? Depending on where Jafar is at I see a lot of action for Smith and CBo this year (also depending on traits and want to, etc). That’s just my best guess

 

[zelezo vlk]

Better not be, as he could easily be the best RB on the team...

 

[DONTH8]

Better not be, as he could easily be the best RB on the team...

Koonja incoming in 3, 2... oh wait, never mind.

 

[Irish YJ]

Kyren, right? Depending on where Jafar is at I see a lot of action for Smith and CBo this year (also depending on traits and want to, etc). That’s just my best guess

I really wouldn't pick Kyren as the one leaving (he's only a soph), but who knows.

I see Smith and CBo as probably getting the most true RB touches. As far as Jafar is concerned, I wouldn't doubt if he was more of a satellite guy. Could be totally wrong about all of it.

I just hope we get to see Tyree. Even if it's only as a satellite kind of guy.

Here's a decent write up on RBs from earlier this year.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2020/1/...-fighting-irish-college-football-roster-depth

 

[317Irish]

I really wouldn't pick Kyren as the one leaving (he's only a soph), but who knows.

I see Smith and CBo as probably getting the most true RB touches. As far as Jafar is concerned, I wouldn't doubt if he was more of a satellite guy. Could be totally wrong about all of it.

I just hope we get to see Tyree. Even if it's only as a satellite kind of guy.

Here's a decent write up on RBs from earlier this year.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2020/1/...-fighting-irish-college-football-roster-depth

I feel like your link pointed towards Kyren being the most likely RB to leave. I guess I also take into account his mysterious disappearance that occurred after Louisville snap 3 or so as a possibility for him being the one to leave. I was at that game telling my buddy how much everyone talked him up during the preseason and he asked me after the game if he even played.
I agree- hopefully Tyree gets some PT in the right situations this year. We will see if Tommy earns his promotion.
My bold prediction is that this year’s RB group will be last year’s LB crew- something we worry about endlessly in the offseason that we end up thinking “hm, why was there cause for concern?”

 

[Irish YJ]

I feel like your link pointed towards Kyren being the most likely RB to leave. I guess I also take into account his mysterious disappearance that occurred after Louisville snap 3 or so as a possibility for him being the one to leave. I was at that game telling my buddy how much everyone talked him up during the preseason and he asked me after the game if he even played.
I agree- hopefully Tyree gets some PT in the right situations this year. We will see if Tommy earns his promotion.
My bold prediction is that this year’s RB group will be last year’s LB crew- something we worry about endlessly in the offseason that we end up thinking “hm, why was there cause for concern?”

Yup. I'm actually not all that worried about the running game to be honest. I could see Reesus opening up the passing game and being a bit more unpredictable, which should be beneficial to the running game.

As far as predicting things.... I think Smith will be the thunder. I'm just not sure who will be the lightning lol. I could see either CBo or Kyren emerging, but if I had to bet, I'd bet on Kyren. Jafar to me is a total wildcard.

 

[Irishize]

So the two RBs w/ breakaway speed (Armstrong & Speights) are both injury prone.

We were told Kyren would see the field as a freshman last season b/c of his pass catching abilities. After missing a pass in the opener, he was never heard from again.

Smith & CBo are solid but not anyone w/ an above avg D is game planning against.

The best RB talent ND had was kicked out of school

 

[ThePiombino]

So the two RBs w/ breakaway speed (Armstrong & Speights) are both injury prone.

We were told Kyren would see the field as a freshman last season b/c of his pass catching abilities. After missing a pass in the opener, he was never heard from again.

Smith & CBo are solid but not anyone w/ an above avg D is game planning against.

The best RB talent ND had was kicked out of school

Depending on who you listen to, it was always the plan to RS Williams. May not be much to read into here.

 

[NDMIA]

So the two RBs w/ breakaway speed (Armstrong & Speights) are both injury prone.

We were told Kyren would see the field as a freshman last season b/c of his pass catching abilities. After missing a pass in the opener, he was never heard from again.

Smith & CBo are solid but not anyone w/ an above avg D is game planning against.

The best RB talent ND had was kicked out of school

To me the coaches are making a bad situation into a decent one by their moves. Having 6 scholarship guys is a ton (probably 6 cause Davis is either a WR or something else) and because they don’t have the high end obvious talent, it’s more of throwing darts at a dartboard. With more darts, they’re hoping they can find a talented guy or two to rise to the top.

RS SR Trevor Speights
RS JR Jafar Armstrong
RS SO Jahmir Smith
RS SO C’Bo Flemister
RS FR Kyren Williams
FR Chris Tyree

They’ve got young recruited talent and their older guys they’ve got 4 of them where you’re hoping one or two “pop”.

 

[Irishize]

To me the coaches are making a bad situation into a decent one by their moves. Having 6 scholarship guys is a ton (probably 6 cause Davis is either a WR or something else) and because they don’t have the high end obvious talent, it’s more of throwing darts at a dartboard. With more darts, they’re hoping they can find a talented guy or two to rise to the top.

RS SR Trevor Speights
RS JR Jafar Armstrong
RS SO Jahmir Smith
RS SO C’Bo Flemister
RS FR Kyren Williams
FR Chris Tyree

They’ve got young recruited talent and their older guys they’ve got 4 of them where you’re hoping one or two “pop”.

That’s a fair assessment. We have to hope Armstrong &/or Speights can stay healthy and that one or more of the other three can bring enough production to the run game to allow the coaches to ease Tyree into the mix.

If Tyree is as good as advertised than he should be able to take advantage of the reps he gets. I remember Julius Jones & Autry Denson before him doing that as a true freshman.

 

[Irish YJ]

So the two RBs w/ breakaway speed (Armstrong & Speights) are both injury prone.

We were told Kyren would see the field as a freshman last season b/c of his pass catching abilities. After missing a pass in the opener, he was never heard from again.

Smith & CBo are solid but not anyone w/ an above avg D is game planning against.

The best RB talent ND had was kicked out of school

I've seen very mixed reviews on Speights' speed. A few articles talking about his 4.4ish speed coming into college, but ESPN (who typically uses camp speeds) shows 4.6ish. Also read that he was used primarily as a third down back (for Stanford that's blocking).

I've see CBO from 4.49 to 4.6ish. I have zero clue on Smith. I did read something lately that suggested Armstrong doesn't have great breakaway speed, but is quicker than fast.

Kyren was assumed a RS last year, and IIRC BK said as much. I've seen a few articles over the last two years suggesting he was our fasted RB (pre Tyree). One talked about his shuttle time being comparative to some of the fasted guys at the combine.

Lots of mystery.....

 

[fightingirish26]

I feel like your link pointed towards Kyren being the most likely RB to leave. I guess I also take into account his mysterious disappearance that occurred after Louisville snap 3 or so as a possibility for him being the one to leave. I was at that game telling my buddy how much everyone talked him up during the preseason and he asked me after the game if he even played.
I agree- hopefully Tyree gets some PT in the right situations this year. We will see if Tommy earns his promotion.
My bold prediction is that this year’s RB group will be last year’s LB crew- something we worry about endlessly in the offseason that we end up thinking “hm, why was there cause for concern?”

I would be shocked if Kyren leaves before this season. He is supposedly putting in a ton of work, and is looking thicker yet less pudgy. Plus his twitter remains very pro ND.

 

[317Irish]

I would be shocked if Kyren leaves before this season. He is supposedly putting in a ton of work, and is looking thicker yet less pudgy. Plus his twitter remains very pro ND.

Thanks for this info. I’m not sure who I like most out of the returnees and I’m really looking forward to seeing who emerges. I also hope none of them transfer.

 

[fightingirish26]

Along with Mabry and Robertson, Speights is also medically disqualified. Weird transfer!

 

[dad4aa]

Along with Mabry and Robertson, Speights is also medically disqualified. Weird transfer!

where did you see this? I saw Mabry but not the other two.

nvm - found it

 

[Henges24]

Thanks for stopping...?

That’s too bad though.

 

[pumpdog20]

He's probably still going to have the same effect he was going to have anyways. A mature/veteran voice, zero game time.

 

[ThePiombino]

He's probably still going to have the same effect he was going to have anyways. A mature/veteran voice, zero game time.

Actually, this might be twisted, but I think this is much more positive than otherwise. I only partially agree, though -- we still get the leader/vet in the RB room, but he doesn't take touches from the younger guys who really need it. This is absolute best case.