'16 TN CB Donte Vaughn (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[BleedBlueGold]

3-4 requires a stud at NT. We havent had one of those since Nix

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after Nix left, BVG came in and they switched schemes. They weren't looking for the next Nix.*

*I understand how difficult that position is to recruit though.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Couldn't Cage play NG next year? People were talking about Mokwuah actually playing decent in the snaps he was getting a couple weeks ago. I think somebody on ISD thought that MDT might even grow into a 1 technique, so if that's true, maybe he could play NG?

I'm just spitballing, but I would think that 2 of the big bodies could actually play Nose.

 

[Irishman77]

Starting DB's this saturday :

Vaughn
Love
Elliott
Studstill

 

[bluengold4732]

Starting DB's this saturday :

Vaughn
Love
Elliott
Studstill

Is this for real? Honestly I wouldn't mind it at all

 

[IrishLax]

Starting DB's this saturday :

Vaughn
Love
Elliott
Studstill

Per?

 

[Irishman77]

Per?

Sorry my bad, I should have prefaced that by saying my speculative guess

 

[IrishLax]

Sorry my bad, I should have prefaced that by saying my speculative guess

haha ok

 

[irishfan]

Starting DB's this saturday :

Vaughn
Love
Elliott
Studstill

We should have been doing this from the start with two coverage safetys. Our offense is good enough that the D only needed to be average for us to win 10 games.

Should have mimicked the Pats gameplan against the Texans on Thursday. 2 deep Free Safetys all game. Doesn't matter if they're young, you shouldn't get confused playing deep coverage all day. Keep everything in front of you and then make the average QB (every QB we play) beat you. Everyone knew going in that the D would be average at best. We should've played vanilla the whole year and tried to win 42-28 most games. That's not a permanent plan, but BK should've been able to realize we don't have the coaching/talent on D to go out there and try and make real plays happen.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Interesting point. Two free safeties staying deep and maybe teams will stop trying to draw us down to get safety coverage to play the run.

 

[pumpdog20]

Is that an entire secondary made up of true freshman? Man, we are in trouble.

 

[GoIrish41]

Is that an entire secondary made up of true freshman? Man, we are in trouble.

Better to play it safe and keep playing the guys we have been playing.

 

[fightingirish26]

Do you dislike Bama's 3-4? What about Aranda's 3-4? What about Derek Mason's 3-4 at Stanford that took a bunch of unathletic 2/3 star white guys and had them playing as the most dominant front 7 in football?

What about a hybrid 4-3 defense that uses 3-4 concepts to become a "5-2" like Venables?

I don't care what we run as long as it fits personnel, is coachable, and is productive. A lot of teams run a 3-4 specifically because there are so many teams running a 4-3 that it makes their recruiting MUCH easier. The hardest part is finding a nose guard that works.

We're never gonna be able to recruit like bama and lsu imo, and I don't think our players are on PEDs like Stanford. The reason I dislike the 3-4 is bc I don't think we'd be able to recruit the right personnel for it.

 

[Luckylucci]

We're never gonna be able to recruit like bama and lsu imo, and I don't think our players are on PEDs like Stanford. The reason I dislike the 3-4 is bc I don't think we'd be able to recruit the right personnel for it.

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Diaco had some success running his 3-4/4-3 at ND. In fact, quite a bit of it. It think its a little misguided to think we couldn't recruit to it, when we already have. A majority of this roster, was recruited to play for that system. Jarron Jones, Martini, Morgan, Rochell, Luke, Jay Hayes, Trumbetti etc. All recruited for that system.

 

[fightingirish26]

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Diaco had some success running his 3-4/4-3 at ND. In fact, quite a bit of it. It think its a little misguided to think we couldn't recruit to it, when we already have. A majority of this roster, was recruited to play for that system. Jarron Jones, Martini, Morgan, Rochell, Luke, Jay Hayes, Trumbetti etc. All recruited for that system.

When Diaco left, there were a ton of holes personnel wise on defense. We were finding it nearly impossible to find a NG and MLBs. And then there was the whole conundrum of us recruiting a million CATs.

 

[IrishLax]

We're never gonna be able to recruit like bama and lsu imo, and I don't think our players are on PEDs like Stanford. The reason I dislike the 3-4 is bc I don't think we'd be able to recruit the right personnel for it.

When Diaco left, there were a ton of holes personnel wise on defense. We were finding it nearly impossible to find a NG and MLBs. And then there was the whole conundrum of us recruiting a million CATs.

That's all fair and true. But ask yourself if you think that's because they don't exist or if it's because Diaco didn't offer enough people? Remember, Diaco didn't want Nyles Morgan. Diaco didn't want Sam Hubbard. Diaco didn't want any CB that wasn't a certain profile.

I refuse to believe the ILBs just don't exist, and same thing with interior DL players. I do agree with you that they're more rare but it's not an impossibility to find them. I'd argue true elite 4-3 DEs that can both set the edge and rush the passer are the hardest thing to find in college football.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Not sure whether I have a strong 3-4/4-3 preference, but I think guys like Bilal, Perry and DJ Morgan would excel as LBs in a 3-4 system. I'm just not sure we have the D Line for it. Looking at this class and the last, where do guys like Okwara, Jamir Jones, Hinish and Ewell play on a 3-man front? We still don't seem to have a solid NG or big enough DEs. Kareem looks like the only real fit in the past 2 classes.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Kelly was admit today that Vaughn will never play safety! He is a corner, end of story, period! Lol


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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Kelly was admit today that Vaughn will never play safety! He is a corner, end of story, period! Lol


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So I should expect him to play FS the entire 2nd half?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

So I should expect him to play FS the entire 2nd half?

Yes. First defensive snap of the game Saturday. Lol


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[Crazy Balki]

Not sure whether I have a strong 3-4/4-3 preference, but I think guys like Bilal, Perry and DJ Morgan would excel as LBs in a 3-4 system. I'm just not sure we have the D Line for it. Looking at this class and the last, where do guys like Okwara, Jamir Jones, Hinish and Ewell play on a 3-man front? We still don't seem to have a solid NG or big enough DEs. Kareem looks like the only real fit in the past 2 classes.

Okwara is a Rush LB (Diaco's CAT)

Jamir is a LB anyways and right now would either be a rush or cover OLB.

Hinish is a tough fit, but I could see him as a 5-Tech. Maybe NG, maybe. I think he's probably too small for the role (but so was Zorich), but I love his strength and nasty streak.

Ewell can be very good NG. Already sitting at just under 300 and he has the frame to put on the weight.

As for who would be our DE's in a 3-4, most likely Jay Hayes, Tillery, Kareem, Bonner, Hinish, Jeter, Taylor. Overall, I think that could work. You don't need 6'6 310 freaks of nature like Stephon Tuitt to run a 3-4 (though it made life so much easier). A guy like Kapron Lewis-Moore became an excellent 3-4 DE.

NG is a bit trickier. Cage would be the likely starting candidate next season. He's got the traits you want in a zero tech. Mean, aggressive and strong. But after him is a big question. Essentially looking at a bunch of guys who have little to no in-game experience like Dew-Treadway, Tiassum and Mokwuah (possibly Ewell, but I'd want to redshirt him and get his size and strength built up).

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Okwara is a Rush LB (Diaco's CAT)

Jamir is a LB anyways and right now would either be a rush or cover OLB.

Hinish is a tough fit, but I could see him as a 5-Tech. Maybe NG, maybe. I think he's probably too small for the role (but so was Zorich), but I love his strength and nasty streak.

Ewell can be very good NG. Already sitting at just under 300 and he has the frame to put on the weight.

As for who would be our DE's in a 3-4, most likely Jay Hayes, Tillery, Kareem, Bonner, Hinish, Jeter, Taylor. Overall, I think that could work. You don't need 6'6 310 freaks of nature like Stephon Tuitt to run a 3-4 (though it made life so much easier). A guy like Kapron Lewis-Moore became an excellent 3-4 DE.

NG is a bit trickier. Cage would be the likely starting candidate next season. He's got the traits you want in a zero tech. Mean, aggressive and strong. But after him is a big question. Essentially looking at a bunch of guys who have little to no in-game experience like Dew-Treadway, Tiassum and Mokwuah (possibly Ewell, but I'd want to redshirt him and get his size and strength built up).

Yep, agree with all of this. Tillery at DE sounds so much better than his current position. Or maybe he belongs on the OL? Who knows, maybe he's a much better protector than aggressor? It sure fits his off the field demeanor.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Did someone actually announce ND was going to a 3-4?

I haven't heard about it.

I know we are going to run a stack prevent defense. And we did last Saturday.

But Kelly isn't calling that a 3-4 which it isn't, or a 3-3-5 which BVG rolled out all evening against Texas. Which it definitely isn't.

Kelly made it clear that nothing new was being implemented this season.

So that means the basic front is four men. But that doesn't say who plays each position.

All three defenses use a nose so I am figuring that the best in order are Jones, Cage, Taylor, with Brandon and Pete on the rise. I 100% think Pete would have been in the game had he not tweaked his ankle last week. And Brandon will be in the mix when he gets back.

But I don't see what this has to do with Donte. The way he has filled in, if he continues to progress, he will be writing his ticket next year.

With the way other corners are coming, ND may have five playing, depending on who is DC, and who is coach.

There, I said it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought Kelly announced that he wants to use a 3 man front more. That may be the confusion?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I thought Kelly announced that he wants to use a 3 man front more. That may be the confusion?

I don't know.

What I heard him say is he doesn't want to use a '4-2-5.' I am assuming he doesn't want to use an even front, requiring over-penetration, on passing downs, which would really bend the defensive game-planning around like it did with BVG's defenses susceptibility to play action, and mobile quarterbacks on draws or in broken plays.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I thought Kelly announced that he wants to use a 3 man front more. That may be the confusion?

Yeah, I believe Kelly mentioned he liked the look of it, not sure what all that entails.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I thought Kelly announced that he wants to use a 3 man front more. That may be the confusion?

Yep. He said he likes the look of a 3 man line.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Yeah, I believe Kelly mentioned he liked the look of it, not sure what all that entails.

Lol you beat me.

 

[dwshade]

Yes he said he likes three man fronts which can force guards to try and pickup outside edge rushers. But said hit would remain a mix of 3 and 4 man looks on the defensive side.

 

[Riddickulous]

He has a bright future. Really nice performance today.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Very good player. Please don't move him to safety. Please don't over coach him and turn him into Gary Gray and Cole Luke senior years.


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