'16 CA QB Ian Book (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[ThePiombino]

I just realized that Book can come back next year.

DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON US!

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[Irish YJ]

I just realized that Book can come back next year.

Book5.0

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Do we have a legit backup to Book? I posted that I thought Drew P would’ve seen more significant time in our blow out win considering the situation with COVID. Never know who has to play. I might’ve missed it, just didn’t see who’s the clear #2.

He got a solid quarter and a half, which is at least as much as I can see an actual backup (not competing for starting job) that has happened in the Kelly era IIRC.

 

[WilliamWallace]

I guess my biggest concern is that if Book tests COVID positive, who steps in? I assume without knowing the players ineligible last week minus Hamilton, may have had unfavorable results. Maybe not all, but it could happen to Book. I’m sure theres a plan, I just wanted to see more of Pyne since Clark was unavailable. We could lose more than one.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I guess my biggest concern is that if Book tests COVID positive, who steps in? I assume without knowing the players ineligible last week minus Hamilton, may have had unfavorable results. Maybe not all, but it could happen to Book. I’m sure theres a plan, I just wanted to see more of Pyne since Clark was unavailable. We could lose more than one.

Or Book takes a mean hit. BK has never been good at getting backup QBs playtime

 

[dad4aa]

You guys crack me up. He played 2 1/2 quarters and sat the rest of the game. The same thing Dabo does with Lawrence, Day does with Fields, etc. Usually the starter runs the first series or two to start the half and then sits...exactly what Book did.

 

[irishtrooper]

Book5.0

Oh well.... Nothing on the roster right now is all that exciting (yet). I’m better with Book than Clark or Pyne (at least until I see something from one of them). Next year Book would give Buchner a year to adjust and fix (if he needs to) any issues. He would be the starter 2 years minimum still if he’s the “real deal”.

I guess Jurkovec leaving was a really good decision for him after all. He’s already a starter and he would’ve been pretty upset to sit another TWO years!

 

[Irish YJ]

Oh well.... Nothing on the roster right now is all that exciting (yet). I’m better with Book than Clark or Pyne (at least until I see something from one of them). Next year Book would give Buchner a year to adjust and fix (if he needs to) any issues. He would be the starter 2 years minimum still if he’s the “real deal”.

I guess Jurkovec leaving was a really good decision for him after all. He’s already a starter and he would’ve been pretty upset to sit another TWO years!

I think Clark is pretty decent from all I've seen and read. Need to see more obviously, but think he's got more potential than Koyak. I'm not excited at all about Pyne.

I have zero clue what happens the next couple years. I could see it going in several directions. Next year I can envision 3 different starters pretty easily lol.

 

[ulukinatme]

Some of ya'll are on crack. Book is something like 23-26 for his career. His losses include a close one away at Georgia, a Clemson team in the playoffs that later won the championship, and an awful game against Michigan in the rain where the entire team failed to show up. He likely will move past Clausen by the end of the year for #2 all time in pass yards. Too much irrational hate. It all boils down to fans hating Book because 5* Philure didn't get the job done and was stuck behind him on the depth chart.

 

[ThePiombino]

Some of ya'll are on crack. Book is something like 23-26 for his career. His losses include a close one away at Georgia, a Clemson team in the playoffs that later won the championship, and an awful game against Michigan in the rain where the entire team failed to show up. He likely will move past Clausen by the end of the year for #2 all time in pass yards. Too much irrational hate. It all boils down to fans hating Book because 5* Philure didn't get the job done and was stuck behind him on the depth chart.

I think people are frustrated with Book because it's clear by now that he is what he is. And what he is is good, but not good enough to put the team on his back and beat a top-tier program. Yet he also appears to not only have not grown in certain areas, but regressed in others.

I think people are also frustrated with the staff because Book is the best they could muster over the past few years. They're frustrated that folks with such incredibly high ceilings never panned out - Wimbush and PJ in the past three years alone. They were supposed to be the talent to put ND over at QB, but alas here we are -- just trying to get by until the next Neo comes along.

Yes, Book has a good record, but not a single program-defining win and when we had those opportunities, Book's shortcomings we're blatantly obvious.

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[Free Manera]

Some of ya'll are on crack. Book is something like 23-26 for his career. His losses include a close one away at Georgia, a Clemson team in the playoffs that later won the championship, and an awful game against Michigan in the rain where the entire team failed to show up. He likely will move past Clausen by the end of the year for #2 all time in pass yards. Too much irrational hate. It all boils down to fans hating Book because 5* Philure didn't get the job done and was stuck behind him on the depth chart.

Nah this comes down to one thing - his limitations in throwing the ball downfield. Even against bad teams he doesn’t do it, which just reminds everyone how easy it is for good defenses to stack the box and shut him down. There is a 0% chance ND can beat top 5 teams without throwing deep.

No one cares about career yards or career records. Both are padded stats against teams that don’t have the horses to hang for 4 quarters. I think most just feel hopeless that yet again ND could get the doors blown off against Clemson (maybe twice) if something doesn’t change.

 

[irishtrooper]

I think people are frustrated with Book because it's clear by now that he is what he is. And what he is is good, but not good enough to put the team on his back and beat a top-tier program. Yet he also appears to not only have not grown in certain areas, but regressed in others.

I think people are also frustrated with the staff because Book is the best they could muster over the past few years. They're frustrated that folks with such incredibly high ceilings never panned out - Wimbush and PJ in the past three years alone. They were supposed to be the talent to put ND over at QB, but alas here we are -- just trying to get by until the next Neo comes along.

Yes, Book has a good record, but not a single program-defining win and when we had those opportunities, Book's shortcomings we're blatantly obvious.

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Yes!

I will say that it’s kind of nice in a strange way that our biggest complaint is about our QB that has been pretty good. The roster has improved so much in speed and depth over the past few years that this is our biggest issue. I’m not sure Book will be able to beat Clemson, but he has been our starter for lots of other wins. I like him, but I would really love to see this team with a Lawrence, Fields type of QB. A game breaker type would be amazing. I will be thrilled if Buchner (or one of the current backups) end up being an upgrade.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I think people are frustrated with Book because it's clear by now that he is what he is. And what he is is good, but not good enough to put the team on his back and beat a top-tier program. Yet he also appears to not only have not grown in certain areas, but regressed in others.

I think people are also frustrated with the staff because Book is the best they could muster over the past few years. They're frustrated that folks with such incredibly high ceilings never panned out - Wimbush and PJ in the past three years alone. They were supposed to be the talent to put ND over at QB, but alas here we are -- just trying to get by until the next Neo comes along.

Yes, Book has a good record, but not a single program-defining win and when we had those opportunities, Book's shortcomings we're blatantly obvious.

100% correct here. Frustrated that ND couldnt get better in three years than Book and frustrated that Book really hasnt improved. Frustrated that BK has to know that every single team will play close because Book hasnt proven to throw the long ball. Why wasnt the long ball practiced over and over until it was something he could do? Why accept the limitations and weaknesses? Sure, you can beat the middle teams but BK has proven over and over that he just doesnt beat the Good teams.

What good is a great record against weak to middle teams and a completely defeated record vs the good teams?

 

[Old Man Mike]

See Mayo Clinic site:
Selecting the Anti-depressant that's right for you.

 

[dad4aa]

Book can now throw the long ball...just waiting to debut it against Clemson to catch them off guard

 

[Chicago Domer]

I agree, we will never beat the great teams with our passing game as it is. If Book were a stud he could make his receivers look better. If we had stud receivers, they could make Book look better. Right now, neither are playing at a high enough level.

The great teams have 2-3 Claypools on the field at a time. We may eventually have one this year with Austin, but good defenses can double him and take him out of the game. You can’t do that with more great receivers on the field at one time.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Some of ya'll are on crack. Book is something like 23-26 for his career. His losses include a close one away at Georgia, a Clemson team in the playoffs that later won the championship, and an awful game against Michigan in the rain where the entire team failed to show up. He likely will move past Clausen by the end of the year for #2 all time in pass yards. Too much irrational hate. It all boils down to fans hating Book because 5* Philure didn't get the job done and was stuck behind him on the depth chart.

I have to spread the love, but reps.

I couldn't have said it better myself. He puts up above average numbers and puts us in position to win ball games. His career record speaks for itself. If you are going to compare Book, or any other ND QB, to the likes of Burrow, Lawrence, Fields, or any other Heisman contender, you're going to be disappointed 10/10 times.

We should appreciate everything that Book has given us and we will look back one day and miss Ian. He is putting up Brady Quinn like numbers and people don't even realize it.

Not to mention he is throwing to guys he has little to no rapport with; IMO, until we get Kevin Austin and a 100% Braden Lenzy back, reserve judgment. Unreal how much hate he's getting on this board. 21-3, give me a break.

I feel sorry for you fans who stay awake at night wondering what life would be like with PJ instead of being thankful we have a leader like Ian leading us through some growing pains at the WR position. I believe he will be balling out by the end of the year.

How quickly we forget how well he played down the stretch after the blowout vs. scUM and the VT debacle. With little left to play for he put this team on his back.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I have to spread the love, but reps.

I couldn't have said it better myself. He puts up above average numbers and puts us in position to win ball games. His career record speaks for itself. If you are going to compare Book, or any other ND QB, to the likes of Burrow, Lawrence, Fields, or any other Heisman contender, you're going to be disappointed 10/10 times.

We should appreciate everything that Book has given us and we will look back one day and miss Ian. He is putting up Brady Quinn like numbers and people don't even realize it.

Not to mention he is throwing to guys he has little to no rapport with; IMO, until we get Kevin Austin and a 100% Braden Lenzy back, reserve judgment. Unreal how much hate he's getting on this board. 23-3, give me a break.

23 against below average to average teams. 3 to good teams.

So basically, it is okay to win vs the average teams and roll over vs the good teams.

Fine if your goal is a average bowl game and not a serious title contender. Because there is zero change of ND beating a talent stacked team like Bama, Clemson or OSU with a QB that lives only in the short passing game.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

23 against below average to average teams. 3 to good teams.

So basically, it is okay to win vs the average teams and roll over vs the good teams.

Fine if your goal is a average bowl game and not a serious title contender. Because there is zero change of ND beating a talent stacked team like Bama, Clemson or OSU with a QB that lives only in the short passing game.

Just looking back at the schedules:

2018-
Beat:
Stanford 38-17 (ranked 7th)
VT 45-23 (ranked 24)
Syracuse 36-3 (ranked 12)

Lost to Clemson 30-3 (ranked 2nd, beat Alabama 44-16 to win Championship)

2019
Beat:
Virginia 35-20 (ranked 18)
Navy 52-20 (ranked 23rd)

Lost:
Georgia 23-17 (ranked 3rd)
Michigan 45-14 (ranked 19)

Just throwing numbers out there.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

23 against below average to average teams. 3 to good teams.

So basically, it is okay to win vs the average teams and roll over vs the good teams.

Fine if your goal is a average bowl game and not a serious title contender. Because there is zero change of ND beating a talent stacked team like Bama, Clemson or OSU with a QB that lives only in the short passing game.

You don't know the story any better than I do; you assume PJ didn't play becuase of blind loyalty but clearly this was a disconnect between the staff and PJ. And not just with Chip Long, but Tommy Rees. If PJ wasn't good enough to dismantle Ian Book after Michigan and VT, what are we even talking about here.

You're opining for a kid that gave up and transferred because he lost a competition and had a false sense of entitlement, at least as far as I can read the situation. Some leader. Then he goes and puts a dumb *ucking picture up on IG blaming BK when it was really the NCAA, and he gets his waiver not even one week later. Really jealous I don't have a whiney 20 year old leading my offense.

Watch the BC/Duke highlights; A HUGE chunk of PJ's yards came on a broken coverage bomb that an academy QB could have completed.

Enjoy the ride. He's throwing to nobody on the outside. Again, I'll reserve judgement for the middle of the season when he has Austin, Lenzy and builds more rapport with Mayer and Tremble. You can be miserable in the meantime.

 

[ThePiombino]

Just looking back at the schedules:

2018-
Beat:
Stanford 38-17 (ranked 7th)
VT 45-23 (ranked 24)
Syracuse 36-3 (ranked 12)

Lost to Clemson 30-3 (ranked 2nd, beat Alabama 44-16 to win Championship)

2019
Beat:
Virginia 35-20 (ranked 18)
Navy 52-20 (ranked 23rd)

Lost:
Georgia 23-17 (ranked 3rd)
Michigan 45-14 (ranked 19)

Just throwing numbers out there.

Think about that for a second -- Book's biggest win in three years is arguably against 2018 Stanford which, by all accounts, has been declining as a program for a couple years now. Not really very impressive. Book is a "mobile" game manager, bottom line. ND deserves better.

 

[Luckylucci]

Book’s record has been the beneficiary of an incredible stretch on defense. If Book was QB’ing the 2016 offense, he wouldn’t be winning those games.

If our defense couldn’t hold Duke down long enough for the offense to get going. Like we didn’t in 2016, they scored 36. Book was going to put up 50+ against Texas to stay competitive or win that game? More than 36 against MSU? Or 45 against USC? He’s not having to win these games. His late game heroics against VT, last year, don’t matter if they had scored 34 points including 13 in the 4th. We had already lost the game.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Think about that for a second -- Book's biggest win in three years is arguably against 2018 Stanford which, by all accounts, has been declining as a program for a couple years now. Not really very impressive. Book is a "mobile" game manager, bottom line. ND deserves better.

It was Book's fault that there was a torrential downpour in Ann Arbor and our defense inexplicably couldn't stop a one dimensional run offense?

It was Book's fault that Finke dropped a routine crossing route over the middle that got picked off against UGA?

It was Book's fault that we ran into a buzz-saw Clemson squad in 2018, the same one that trounced 'Bama worse than they did us, and a game that was competitive until we lost Julian Love to injury in the first half, fell behind, and had to get one dimensional offensively?

Football is THE ULTIMATE team sport. Ian Book has been good enough to get us to Lou Holtz era consistency these past three years for the first time in almost three decades.

You are looking for a QB that is good enough to shoulder the load and get a championship regardless of the talent around him. As if those are a dime a dozen. That's Trevor Lawrence. That's Justin Fields. That's Joe Burrow. These aren't your average joe QBs. These are all-time greats. ND is forced to recruit differently. Joe Burrow literally lived off-campus, took online courses, and basically had a full time job playing QB for LSU. We don't operate that way. Why would Joe Burrow 2.0 pick ND over that scenario?

Would it be nice if we could land that guy one day? yes. Is that a tall ask? Hell yes. That's one helluva expectation if you ask me.

I believe we have a good enough squad to compete on Nov. 7 and that includes Ian Book behind center.

 

[Wingman Ray]

It just doesnt make sense why ND's well is so dry on good QBs

ND has a tradition of great QBs. Why such a huge struggle to get QB talent?

 

[snoopdog]

Imo Kelly, Long and now Rees just trusted the known in Book vs risking the Unknown in PJ.

When Book was calling out Rees as his good friend, it sends the wrong message to PJ that this is a real competition.

PJ wasn’t going to get a chance at ND, so he makes the right choice and transfers. No Biggie. Burrows, Fields, Mayfield are all transfers. It’s now a part of the game. It will certainly sting if PJ develops into a Burrows like QB, but that was a risk Kelly was willing to make.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

It just doesnt make sense why ND's well is so dry on good QBs

ND has a tradition of great QBs. Why such a huge struggle to get QB talent?

I'm not sure, but to be honest I couldn't name a Notre Dame QB that has done anything great in the NFL in my lifetime and I'm 34.

 

[Irish#1]

I think people are frustrated with Book because it's clear by now that he is what he is. And what he is is good, but not good enough to put the team on his back and beat a top-tier program. Yet he also appears to not only have not grown in certain areas, but regressed in others.

I think people are also frustrated with the staff because Book is the best they could muster over the past few years. They're frustrated that folks with such incredibly high ceilings never panned out - Wimbush and PJ in the past three years alone. They were supposed to be the talent to put ND over at QB, but alas here we are -- just trying to get by until the next Neo comes along.

Yes, Book has a good record, but not a single program-defining win and when we had those opportunities, Book's shortcomings we're blatantly obvious.

Part of the problem now is the lack of WR's. Let's see what happens when Austin and Lenzy are paired together.

But for arguments sake, if I go off you above post, then you need to quit blaming Book, jump over to the Kelly thread and point the finger there.

Dropping a Maserati engine in a Chevy isn't going to make the Chevy a Maserati.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Imo Kelly, Long and now Rees just trusted the known in Book vs risking the Unknown in PJ.

When Book was calling out Rees as his good friend, it sends the wrong message to PJ that this is a real competition.

PJ wasn’t going to get a chance at ND, so he makes the right choice and transfers. No Biggie. Burrows, Fields, Mayfield are all transfers. It’s now a part of the game. It will certainly sting if PJ develops into a Burrows like QB, but that was a risk Kelly was willing to make.

Holy...wow.

 

[Irish#1]

Imo Kelly, Long and now Rees just trusted the known in Book vs risking the Unknown in PJ.

When Book was calling out Rees as his good friend, it sends the wrong message to PJ that this is a real competition.

PJ wasn’t going to get a chance at ND, so he makes the right choice and transfers. No Biggie. Burrows, Fields, Mayfield are all transfers. It’s now a part of the game. It will certainly sting if PJ develops into a Burrows like QB, but that was a risk Kelly was willing to make.

If the rumors are true, then it's not about risking in the unknown. Any coach worth his salt is not going to start a player that doesn't commit to putting in the time and effort in practice and film sessions.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I think we can all agree ND is a top 10ish program right now. Over the last 5 years, whose QB room would you take over the Irish?

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Ohio St
4) Oklahoma
5) LSU
6) Georgia
(A little murky here)
7) Oregon
8) Wisconsin
9) Florida