'15 TX RB Soso Jamabo (UCLA Signee)

[dwshade]

49ers will look at college coaches and Mora is near the top of that list. Our coach might be as well. Going to get realllllly interesting starting tomorrow.

Current Niners DL coach Jim Tomsula is considered the favorite for the job. Jed York really likes him, he has a history with Niners and almost got the Vikings head job last year. Current players have a ton of respect for him.

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah, Mora seems like a high flight risk this off season. But if Soso's still visiting the Texas schools I wouldn't be surprised if he just winds up at one of them.

 

[Cackalacky]

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[Sherm Sticky]

Mora is not going to the 9ers. At one point he was the defensive coordinator with the 9ers, the 9ers could have hired him previously but never did.


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[IrishLax]

Mora is not going to the 9ers. At one point he was the defensive coordinator with the 9ers, the 9ers could have hired him previously but never did.


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Huh?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Huh?

The 49ers will not hirer Mora as the head coach. He has previously coached with the 49ers. I don't see them hiring him.


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[IrishLax]

The 49ers will not hirer Mora as the head coach. He has previously coached with the 49ers. I don't see them hiring him.


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Why would the fact that he previously coached there be a detriment? I don't get your binary.

And FWIW I think there is a better chance of Kelly getting the open job than anyone.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Why would the fact that he previously coached there be a detriment? I don't get your binary.



And FWIW I think there is a better chance of Kelly getting the open job than anyone.

They had a chance to hire him previously as a head coach when he was the defensive coordinator, but passed. Why would they hire him now, is what I'm trying to get at.


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[IrishLax]

They had a chance to hire him previously as a head coach when he was the defensive coordinator, but passed. Why would they hire him now, is what I'm trying to get at.


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I mean that's sort of like saying ND had the chance to hire Urban Meyer instead of Willingham and passed, why would they hire him now?

Things change. Mora was considered a bust after getting canned in the NFL, but has UCLA revived. He's a hotter commodity now than he was back then.

Same logic for guys like Pete Carroll who flamed out in the pros and then went to college and then got another shot.

The most interesting thing with the 49ers is Jed York is a Notre Dame alum and it's weird to think about him completely dicking the school like that by hiring Kelly.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

49ers will look at college coaches and Mora is near the top of that list. Our coach might be as well. Going to get realllllly interesting starting tomorrow.

I remember reading an article in one of the NYC papers around the time Schiano left a relatively comfortable job at Rutgers for the Bucs. They stated that a big reason that some successful college coaches leave good positions is because they tire of the recruiting aspect of the college game. From what some of you guys more in the know than myself say about Kelly and his recruiting,I could definitely see him looking for the opportunity. I'd prefer Mora leave obviously so two elites may be pushed toward ND from UCLA.

 

[Domina Nostra]

If we lose Kelly, I suggest calling John Harbaugh and paying him $500k more than his brother. Jim is so competitive it would make his head explode.

Sure he has a great gig in Baltimore, but $7.5M is $7.5M. Plus, he's a devout Catholic.

Note: Its obviously a pipe dream.

 

[JD Irish]

I really just want ND to pay Kelly and his staff competitive salaries for the top of college football and provide them the resources and tools they need to succeed.

 

[Goldedommer44]

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[Goldedommer44]

If Jones commits at the UA game do we pass on Soso?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Agreed. Kelly and his staff are doing all they can, but dammit, this school needs to put forth a better effort to support a football team that makes them a sh*t load of money. I know academics are the main priority, but quit low-balling one of the main sources of income for the university.

 

[Ricochet]

If Jones commits at the UA game do we pass on Soso?

NO. He's a take no matter what. He's a game changer as much a WR as he's a RB and is simpley a playmaker to good not automatically take.

 

[Luckylucci]

From his interview with Farrell, it's still ND/UCLA battle with neither one out front. Texas is getting back into it and he's fairly confident that he'll take an OV there. Is still considering taking OV's to A&M, Baylor, and ASU.

 

[drake29]

Agreed. Kelly and his staff are doing all they can, but dammit, this school needs to put forth a better effort to support a football team that makes them a sh*t load of money. I know academics are the main priority, but quit low-balling one of the main sources of income for the university.

If they are doing all they can, shelling out more dough isn't going to make them better. This team has regressed, a good deal because of injury but there's also the lack of development on offense at QB, RB, and OL and no depth on the defense because of recruiting misses. Now it seems like they're going through the motions.

 

[Irish YJ]

NO. He's a take no matter what. He's a game changer as much a WR as he's a RB and is simpley a playmaker to good not automatically take.

Agree.
Would love to have them both so they could both sit the bench for a year or two and then split carries while still learning our complex blocking scheme.

 

[stlnd01]

I really just want ND to pay Kelly and his staff competitive salaries for the top of college football and provide them the resources and tools they need to succeed.

How are we not doing this?
Brian Kelly makes $4 million a year, which is - according to one list I saw - 13th in the country and close-enough-as-makes-no-difference to 7th. That's not bad. I guess we don't know what Van Gorder makes but if his Auburn contract was any indication he'd be in the top tier of assistant coaches. We certainly didn't lose Martin or Diaco over money and Kelly negotiated higher assistant salaries in his last contract renewal, it was widely reported.
We've invested in facilities, FieldTurf, support staff, etc. quite a bit in the last few years. I realize it's an arms race and deals like Harbaugh's will set a new high. But we seem to be keeping up a lot better than we did in the Malloy years. I'm not sure what more you want?

Sorry for the off-topic rant, but I hear this complaint a lot lately that Notre Dame is somehow penny-pinching the football program. I don't get it. That may have been the case 10-15 years ago, but doesn't appear to be today.
Frankly it seems to me like a proxy for issues that are not economic but are more about academics, discipline and campus culture (issues that, frankly, pose much bigger hurdles for us in hiring a coach or in recruiting than our willingness to spend does).

 

[Domina Nostra]

How are we not doing this?
Brian Kelly makes $4 million a year, which is - according to one list I saw - 13th in the country and close-enough-as-makes-no-difference to 7th. That's not bad. I guess we don't know what Van Gorder makes but if his Auburn contract was any indication he'd be in the top tier of assistant coaches. We certainly didn't lose Martin or Diaco over money and Kelly negotiated higher assistant salaries in his last contract renewal, it was widely reported.
We've invested in facilities, FieldTurf, support staff, etc. quite a bit in the last few years. I realize it's an arms race and deals like Harbaugh's will set a new high. But we seem to be keeping up a lot better than we did in the Malloy years. I'm not sure what more you want?

Sorry for the off-topic rant, but I hear this complaint a lot lately that Notre Dame is somehow penny-pinching the football program. I don't get it. That may have been the case 10-15 years ago, but doesn't appear to be today.
Frankly it seems to me like a proxy for issues that are not economic but are more about academics, discipline and campus culture (issues that, frankly, pose much bigger hurdles for us in hiring a coach or in recruiting than our willingness to spend does).

I've always heard that ND's assistant coaches get paid less. Swarbrick has apparently closed the gap a lot, but its still there.

The argument would be that ND should be one of the teams leading the way, ie., paying the best coach the most, not part of the pack.

I actually think our facilities have fallen behind. Not that they aren't great, but ridiculous is the new standard.

 

[IrishLax]

How are we not doing this?
Brian Kelly makes $4 million a year, which is - according to one list I saw - 13th in the country and close-enough-as-makes-no-difference to 7th. That's not bad. I guess we don't know what Van Gorder makes but if his Auburn contract was any indication he'd be in the top tier of assistant coaches. We certainly didn't lose Martin or Diaco over money and Kelly negotiated higher assistant salaries in his last contract renewal, it was widely reported.
We've invested in facilities, FieldTurf, support staff, etc. quite a bit in the last few years. I realize it's an arms race and deals like Harbaugh's will set a new high. But we seem to be keeping up a lot better than we did in the Malloy years. I'm not sure what more you want?

Sorry for the off-topic rant, but I hear this complaint a lot lately that Notre Dame is somehow penny-pinching the football program. I don't get it. That may have been the case 10-15 years ago, but doesn't appear to be today.
Frankly it seems to me like a proxy for issues that are not economic but are more about academics, discipline and campus culture (issues that, frankly, pose much bigger hurdles for us in hiring a coach or in recruiting than our willingness to spend does).

It is 100% the case. 13th in the country is bullshit when you're the second most valuable team and have a $10 billion endowment.

Our facilities are not great, they're average. Our coaching compensation is not great, it's average. If you want average this is fine. If you want great it does NOT work.

Auburn is paying Will Muschamp nearly $2mil a year to be their DC. That's how you invest in winning. You pay an assistant coach about as much as Kelly's initial base salary when he came to ND. Clemson, similarly, paid their coordinators north of a million a year. And same with Michigan.

Every other school strives to be great... we do the bare minimum to try to maintain our station. At some point you have to take the gloves off.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It is 100% the case. 13th in the country is bullshit when you're the second most valuable team and have a $10 billion endowment.

Our facilities are not great, they're average. Our coaching compensation is not great, it's average. If you want average this is fine. If you want great it does NOT work.

Auburn is paying Will Muschamp nearly $2mil a year to be their DC. That's how you invest in winning. You pay an assistant coach about as much as Kelly's initial base salary when he came to ND. Clemson, similarly, paid their coordinators north of a million a year. And same with Michigan.

Every other school strives to be great... we do the bare minimum to try to maintain our station. At some point you have to take the gloves off.

Good post. Reminds me of the Cubs. The common assumption behind management's mindset is that they sell out every game even though they suck...where is the incentive to to make a change? ND has sided with academia. And that's fine. But they are one of few schools that can actually have BOTH academics and a great football program, they just refuse to make the major changes necessary for it to happen. I think this is a great topic for a new thread, if anyone cares to make it. They talk about this stuff on Power Hour a lot, especially recently.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Good post. Reminds me of the Cubs. The common assumption behind management's mindset is that they sell out every game even though they suck...where is the incentive to to make a change? ND has sided with academia. And that's fine. But they are one of few schools that can actually have BOTH academics and a great football program, they just refuse to make the major changes necessary for it to happen. I think this is a great topic for a new thread, if anyone cares to make it. They talk about this stuff on Power Hour a lot, especially recently.

A few points:

(1) There used to be a perception that academic excellence required reigning in football. I am not sure this is the case any more. In the new corporate atmosphere, I think they think of the latter as funding the former and helping create brand awareness.

(2) I do think it is still more difficult for ND to bend its rules and standards as compared to a giant state school. When there are 15,000 per class and the school is a giant bureaucracy and you never see the majority of kids in your graduating class, its not a jarring to give kids special treatment. In a small tight-knit atmosphere like ND, kids have to fit into the community more and live by its standards. Russell Wilson, yes, Jameis Winston, No.

(3) I think the big issue moving forward for ND decision-makers (at least on the religious and academic side of the equation, ie., the Holy Cross Fathers and the faculty) will be feeling dirty about spending so much on football in light of the school's secularized Catholic social mission. Just as the school de-emphasized football to take the next step in academic prestige, the school also re-thought its Catholic identity for the sake of academic prestige. While many Catholic schools in that transitional era pretty much shelved Catholicism completely, ND took the more moderate root of downplaying the devotional and doctrinal aspects of Catholicism, and playing up the social justice aspects that are generically cherished by academia at large. The school's Catholic mission becomes a kind of romantic, poetic commitment to pursuing certain policy goals that were already acceptable to academia (and, consequently, to corporate America). The areas of social justice that academia does accepted, but Catholicism embraces, are constantly downplayed or called into question. Long story short, in that atmosphere, if we claim that we are all about putting the world's resources at the disposal or the poor, weak, and vulnerable, should we really be spending $300M on an upgrade to already luxurious athletic facilities? The optics are just bad.

 

[Irish YJ]

It is 100% the case. 13th in the country is bullshit when you're the second most valuable team and have a $10 billion endowment.

Our facilities are not great, they're average. Our coaching compensation is not great, it's average. If you want average this is fine. If you want great it does NOT work.

Auburn is paying Will Muschamp nearly $2mil a year to be their DC. That's how you invest in winning. You pay an assistant coach about as much as Kelly's initial base salary when he came to ND. Clemson, similarly, paid their coordinators north of a million a year. And same with Michigan.

Every other school strives to be great... we do the bare minimum to try to maintain our station. At some point you have to take the gloves off.

This...

Throw in the fact that ND is a painful coaching job, and you can support even the need for more money.

Regarding facilities... I love our stadium, and our campus, but our facilities are IMO not in the top 10... hell maybe the top 25. We could afford Oregon like facilities if we wanted too. I think that's a little overboard, but the investment we've made of late is not on par with a lot of other top schools.

 

[Luckylucci]

To start UA practice today Soso is lining up at WR. Just like at the opening there is a theme that he might be a long term WR.

 

[Irish#1]

A few points:

(1) There used to be a perception that academic excellence required reigning in football. I am not sure this is the case any more. In the new corporate atmosphere, I think they think of the latter as funding the former and helping create brand awareness.

(2) I do think it is still more difficult for ND to bend its rules and standards as compared to a giant state school. When there are 15,000 per class and the school is a giant bureaucracy and you never see the majority of kids in your graduating class, its not a jarring to give kids special treatment. In a small tight-knit atmosphere like ND, kids have to fit into the community more and live by its standards. Russell Wilson, yes, Jameis Winston, No.

(3) I think the big issue moving forward for ND decision-makers (at least on the religious and academic side of the equation, ie., the Holy Cross Fathers and the faculty) will be feeling dirty about spending so much on football in light of the school's secularized Catholic social mission. Just as the school de-emphasized football to take the next step in academic prestige, the school also re-thought its Catholic identity for the sake of academic prestige. While many Catholic schools in that transitional era pretty much shelved Catholicism completely, ND took the more moderate root of downplaying the devotional and doctrinal aspects of Catholicism, and playing up the social justice aspects that are generically cherished by academia at large. The school's Catholic mission becomes a kind of romantic, poetic commitment to pursuing certain policy goals that were already acceptable to academia (and, consequently, to corporate America). The areas of social justice that academia does accepted, but Catholicism embraces, are constantly downplayed or called into question. Long story short, in that atmosphere, if we claim that we are all about putting the world's resources at the disposal or the poor, weak, and vulnerable, should we really be spending $300M on an upgrade to already luxurious athletic facilities? The optics are just bad.

Hence the reason to upgrade to fiber optics!

 

[irishandy]

Kelly's not going anywhere and lets hope Soso commits to ND.

 

[ColinKSU]

It is 100% the case. 13th in the country is bullshit when you're the second most valuable team and have a $10 billion endowment.

Our facilities are not great, they're average. Our coaching compensation is not great, it's average. If you want average this is fine. If you want great it does NOT work.

Auburn is paying Will Muschamp nearly $2mil a year to be their DC. That's how you invest in winning. You pay an assistant coach about as much as Kelly's initial base salary when he came to ND. Clemson, similarly, paid their coordinators north of a million a year. And same with Michigan.

Every other school strives to be great... we do the bare minimum to try to maintain our station. At some point you have to take the gloves off.

What's so interesting about Muschamp is one of my really good friends is the sports editor at a paper that covers Auburn, and they told me that it's hilarious how in the red Auburn is. Even with that in mind, they still are desperate to win and willing to figure out ways to find money to bring in the best coaches.

ND would absolutely not be in the red if they paid coaches more -- they just choose not to do so.

 

[Wingman Ray]

What's so interesting about Muschamp is one of my really good friends is the sports editor at a paper that covers Auburn, and they told me that it's hilarious how in the red Auburn is. Even with that in mind, they still are desperate to win and willing to figure out ways to find money to bring in the best coaches.

ND would absolutely not be in the red if they paid coaches more -- they just choose not to do so.

I know. Auburn will always be the little brother to Bama, just like Mich St is to Mich, no matter how many games or championships are won. The fans in Alabama are just so unreasonable and if Auburn isnt highly competitive, they will find themselves in the cold. Therefore, they are willing to go all on on anything to promote/grow the program.