'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[ickythump1225]

Nah BW needs to stay at QB2. Look at Clemson, anything can happen. I was thinking, outside of Alabama, what program has a better QB situation than us? Our back up QB is 12-3 as a starter. We need to maintain that depth. I'm fine with some select packages for BW but lining him up at positions he's never played before is asking for an injury to him and then we have Book and PJ.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Since he has another year of eligibility, and has to see that if he has a future in the NFL, it is not at QB, would he consider playing the role avery davis is playing? At 1 point, some considered him our best RB. He isn't going to get it 20 times a game between the
tackles, but if he could touch it 8-10 times a game, he may have a dynamic role, while still being able to be a QB in a pinch. Especially if he stays for his redshirt year next year.

 

[ulukinatme]

I say move him to Slot. It'll let him use his skills in the open field a bit more, and while I like Finke I'd like another option in the Slot when Finke isn't on the field.

 

[Irish#1]

Not trying to be that guy, but...

With the current RB depth situation, any chance they experiment with BW there? Not only is there a depth need, but let's be honest - we are better off with an athlete like BW on the field, just not at QB. Could be a chance to kill two birds with one stone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I guarantee, regardless of the RB situation, BW will not play anything except QB.

 

[BGIF]

Wildcat

He's 222.

It doesn't take a lot of practice time to work in a few plays and he stays the backup QB ready if needed.

I like the thought of Book, Williams, and Wimbush, and Boykin and/or Claypool, and/or a couple of TEs on the field to make a defense have to prepare.

Would you put a LB on Wimbush?

Use a DB and single up on the WRs?

Even as a decoy he disrupts a defense.

 

[T-Boone]

Use him like New Orleans this morning with Hill. Kick return etc.

 

[stlnd01]

I guarantee, regardless of the RB situation, BW will not play anything except QB.

Not this year, anyway. It really doesn't make sense to switch him mid-season.
Who would he play over in the RB/WR rotation? And who else would play QB if Book went down?
I'd be for some wildcatting, some short yardage run packages, maybe a trick play reverse-throw kind of thing. But things that utilize his skills as a QB. Lining him up as a slot WR, or a tailback, we've got guys who are better at that right now.

 

[Irishize]

Wimbush will graduate in December so we know he will be around through then...and hopefully the bowl.

He’s now QB2 whom we will be fortunate to have if Book misses any plays or God forbid, has to miss any games.

He’s proven an excellent runner in space. Lining up at RB quickly reduces the amount of space a player has b/c the defense swarms to the RB like bees to a hive. As a QB, he almost always had space to consider b/c he was a threat to pass or run. The Avery Davis role would make the most sense but I doubt he wants to be anything but QB & can understand that.

Like BGIF said, bring him in for some Wildcat situations if/when the opportunity presents itself. If ND is fortunate enough to get the backups some reps in any upcoming games, BW can get some looks in that formation to give something for future opponents to have in the back of their mind.

The Taysom Hill comparison wasn’t a bad idea, either. That goes back to the Wildcat scenario.

Don’t know the numbers, but heard someone on ESPNU on SXM radio comment that while Grad-transfers have shown to be successful more times than not...pure transfers (kids willing to sit out a year or, now; kids like Kelly Bryant) have not played out as successful. (Think Gunner Kiel).

Safe to say that BW will complete a huge accomplishment when he graduates from the University of Notre Dame. With that golden degree in hand, he can then hopefully find a program that is a perfect fit for his skillset at QB. That may be Texas, UCLA, Arkansas, FSU, UF, Auburn, UCF, USF, UNC, Louisville among others.

 

[stlnd01]

Don’t know the numbers, but heard someone on ESPNU on SXM radio comment that while Grad-transfers have shown to be successful more times than not...pure transfers (kids willing to sit out a year or, now; kids like Kelly Bryant) have not played out as successful. (Think Gunner Kiel).

They have?
I guess it depends what you mean by successful, but feels most are guys who weren't starting at their old program for a reason. And they either go to a comparable program and don't start there either (i.e. Jay Hayes, who plays far less at Georgia than he would be at ND), or go down a level for playing time (Nick Watkins does look to be playing a fair bit at Houston). Either way it rarely catapults them to stardom. Russell Wilson situations are more the exception than the rule. I can't think of a 5Y transfer out of, or into, Notre Dame who has really turned into a difference-maker for their new team.

Not to say Wimbush couldn't. But he'd really have to find the right fit, and be at his new school for spring ball (I think waiting really set Zaire back) I'd certainly be rooting for him. He's nothing but a class act.

 

[fightingirish26]

They have?
I guess it depends what you mean by successful, but feels most are guys who weren't starting at their old program for a reason. And they either go to a comparable program and don't start there either (i.e. Jay Hayes, who plays far less at Georgia than he would be at ND), or go down a level for playing time (Nick Watkins does look to be playing a fair bit at Houston). Either way it rarely catapults them to stardom. Russell Wilson situations are more the exception than the rule. I can't think of a 5Y transfer out of, or into, Notre Dame who has really turned into a difference-maker for their new team.

Not to say Wimbush couldn't. But he'd really have to find the right fit, and be at his new school for spring ball (I think waiting really set Zaire back) I'd certainly be rooting for him. He's nothing but a class act.

cody riggs was pretty good

 

[TDHeysus]

Just going to kick this dead horse one last time. Just for clarification purposes:

Don't trip on the (0) value, it just represents a 'starting point' in my attempt to logically explain my thought.
I'm going to represent the offense with Wimbush-QB as: Wimbush-QB (0).

In my opinion, the offense ran more efficient with Book, he distributed the ball to 10 different receivers (WF game), 4 TD passes to 4 different receivers (Stan), etc.
I'm going to represent the offense with Book-QB as: Book-QB (+1).

comparison of the 2 offenses:
Wimbush-QB (0)
Book-QB (+1)


First off, I'm a Wimbush fan - he seems like a great kid, great teammate, got nothing but love for him. But his passing skills are what they are. Sans the passing, the kid is a beast on the offensive field.

I'm going to represent Wimbush's offensive threat alone (his explosiveness and running skills are too good to leave on the sidelines) as Wimbush-Off (+1)


How can Book-QB (+1) be better? Hint: there is a lion on the sidelines, and he is ready to roar.

Add Wimbush-Off (+1) to Book-QB (+1) and get Book-QB, Wimbush-Off (+2)


so the offense in my logical explanation goes from:
Wimbush-QB (0)
to
Book-QB (+1)
to
Book-QB, Wimbush-Off (+2)

The two-fold jump is offensive efficiency (ball distribution), and an explosive offensive weapon (Wimbush).


OK, the backup QB.....PJ can play up to 3 more games until his redshirt is burned, correct?

Scenario#1:
Book never had to come out of the game because of injury, therefore PJ never had to come in. Book may need to stay in for some mop-up duty in order to not 'waste' any PJ games. it could happen.

Scenario#2:
Book is injured, PJ comes in and plays 1-3 games (always saving his redshirt). If Book cannot play when PJ uses his 4 games, then ND still has the option to have Wimbush at QB.

Scenario#3:
Book is injured, PJ comes in and looks like Dayne Crist (vs. USC). ND still has the option to have Wimbush at QB.


I believe the defense is good enough, and is going to be good enough (getting better) to win a natty with. The offense needs to step it up and answer the bell.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm going to give you a (+1) for typing that all out and a (-1) for it not making a lick of sense.

 

[TDHeysus]

I'm going to give you a (+1) for typing that all out and a (-1) for it not making a lick of sense.

I've been writing too much code lately...it makes perfect sense to me

 

[loomis41973]

I'm going to give you a (+1) for typing that all out and a (-1) for it not making a lick of sense.

I will 2nd this.

I really hope BW never has to see the field again this year at ND. Save his last year for either ND or most likely a transfer.

I'm guessing both him and coach already know.

 

[stlnd01]

cody riggs was pretty good

Forgot about Riggs. He was a solid starter for us. I'm still waiting for the 5Y who comes in and lights it up. Or, for that matter, who leaves and makes us regret it (for reasons other than lost depth when the guy who beat him out inevitably gets hurt).

 

[EddytoNow]

Forgot about Riggs. He was a solid starter for us. I'm still waiting for the 5Y who comes in and lights it up. Or, for that matter, who leaves and makes us regret it (for reasons other than lost depth when the guy who beat him out inevitably gets hurt).

Not technically a 5th year senior because he had two years of eligibility when he transferred, but Gilman has been more than adequate this year.

 

[stlnd01]

Not technically a 5th year senior because he had two years of eligibility when he transferred, but Gilman has been more than adequate this year.

Absolutely. He's great. But Gilman falls under the "regular transfer" category who the original poster about transfers suggested (or quoted someone suggsting) was generally less "successful" than 5Ys.

Generally speaking, I'm transfer skeptical. Especially when the move is fueled by playing time, or the lack of it (as opposed to, say, personal reasons to be closer to home or something). If you're good enough, go win the job. But I get that there are cases, especially for QBs, where it makes sense. Wimbush next year is probably one of those.

 

[Irishize]

They have?
I guess it depends what you mean by successful, but feels most are guys who weren't starting at their old program for a reason. And they either go to a comparable program and don't start there either (i.e. Jay Hayes, who plays far less at Georgia than he would be at ND), or go down a level for playing time (Nick Watkins does look to be playing a fair bit at Houston). Either way it rarely catapults them to stardom. Russell Wilson situations are more the exception than the rule. I can't think of a 5Y transfer out of, or into, Notre Dame who has really turned into a difference-maker for their new team.

Not to say Wimbush couldn't. But he'd really have to find the right fit, and be at his new school for spring ball (I think waiting really set Zaire back) I'd certainly be rooting for him. He's nothing but a class act.

Don’t shoot the messenger. As I clearly stated, it was one of the hosts on SXM ESPNu’s many shows. I spend many an hour in my car so I hear a lot of CFB talk & don’t exactly write the stuff down while driving. I think it was Tom Luginbill on his Sunday morning show w/ Barrett Sallee.

Keep in mind, he didn’t say Grad-Transfers were wildly successful. He was speaking in relation to traditional transfers who have to sit out a year. Additionally, you are thinking just at Notre Dame. The commentator was speaking across CFB.

For every Jay Hayes, there’s a Richard Mullaney & Gehrig Dieter...

 

[Irish Insanity]

The Ravens have plays for Jackson to get on the field with Flacco at times. There's no reason we couldn't do the same

 

[ThePiombino]

I will 2nd this.

I really hope BW never has to see the field again this year at ND. Save his last year for either ND or most likely a transfer.

I'm guessing both him and coach already know.

What would be saving? He already red-shirted. He would be preserving nothing and he can transfer as a graduate regardless. If he can contribute he should at. Period.

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[Irish YJ]

With all the talk about what the play calling might be......
Will drop this in the game thread as well.

+Wimbush’s performance at the intermediate level shows his most glaring flaw as a passer. He completed just 29-of-62 passes when throwing between 10-19 yards downfield, which is often the area where quarterbacks have to navigate the most defenders on the field.

+Some of Wimbush’s poor numbers aren’t entirely his fault, however. Notre Dame receivers had a 16 percent drop rate on throws from Wimbush.

+Wimbush’s accuracy was also an issue, however, as 17.5 percent of his throws were uncatchable. And when he was facing pressure, that uncatchable rate rose to 19.4 percent—almost one out of every five attempts.

+Even though Wimbush wasn’t great at passing under pressure, he did excel at avoiding costly mistakes. Surprisingly, none of Wimbush’s interceptions came while under pressure, although pressure did cause him to fumble three times (twice against Georgia, once against Miami).

https://www.cfbfilmroom.com/2018/02/04/notre-dame-qb-brandon-wimbush-2017-passing-chart/

 

[ND88]

I hope Book heals up in time for Syracuse, but I believe in Brandon. He won't let us down.

 

[Valpodoc85]

guess we'll know how engaged he's been the last 6 weeks...

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

guess we'll know how engaged he's been the last 6 weeks...

He can be more engaged than anyone who's ever been engaged in anything; I don't think that's gunna help him not throw the ball at receivers' feet. We're in a for a long one tomorrow, fellas.

 

[OhioIrish31]

He can be more engaged than anyone who's ever been engaged in anything; I don't think that's gunna help him not throw the ball at receivers' feet. We're in a for a long one tomorrow, fellas.

Especially if you start watching tomorrow...


I think we win comfortably

 

[GoldenDomer]

Well, next man up... I guess...?

Shtting bricks.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Especially if you start watching tomorrow...


I think we win comfortably

Lmao. Touche. My bad. Although I fear this game will feel like 27 hours long.

I hope you're right, but I certainly don't have that feeling.

 

[dang227]

Rooting for the kid. It would be a great story if he came in on senior day and balled out in replace of Book.


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[BGIF]

Well, next man up... I guess...?

Shtting bricks.

Why?

Brandon beat the 4th ranked team in the CFP rankings without Dexter and put up the most points they've allowed this season.

 

[Irish#1]

Rooting for the kid. It would be a great story if he came in on senior day and balled out in replace of Book.


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Why?

Brandon beat the 4th ranked team in the CFP rankings without Dexter and put up the most points they've allowed this season.

I'm actually stoked for this game. I think BW will do just fine.