'14 TX LB Kolin Hill (Texas Tech Transfer)

[Irish#1]

complete opposite of what i see..but im just a social worker

I didn't watch the tape, was just throwing that out as a possibility, but if you think he shows enough speed, them I'm good with it.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

First of all, it's "you're". Second, the very first play and the one at the 1:30 mark are beautiful. I like the offer. He plays w an attitude.

I like what I saw too.

 

[Cali_domer]

Surprised he hasn't committed yet...

 

[Luckylucci]

Guys we're good, Loy already CB'd him to ND.

 

[PANDFAN]

I didn't watch the tape, was just throwing that out as a possibility, but if you think he shows enough speed, them I'm good with it.

gotcha

 

[CanadalovesND]

As expected, Loy has thrown down a CB prediction to ND.

 

[Cali_domer]

Guys we're good, Loy already CB'd him to ND.

I went to a Buffs website and they're a bit taken aback how quickly it switched. Little do they know that Loy is horribly inaccurate.

 

[Buster Bluth]

That being said, let's not act like its a good thing that we are whiffing on every highly ranked LB recruit we touch, and because of that, are throwing offers to 2/3 star prospects like they candy to fat kids.

But at the same time, during the bye week is when coaches are going to have the time to review the film of players who blow up during the senior year. It's not hard to fly under the radar.

I actually liked this kid's film. Are five-star studs preferred? You bet. But I'd be more inclined to think it's a "reach" if it's a later addition (January) and not just part of what I assume is the result of a bye week under-the-radar analysis by the coaching staff.

This could also be the result of the relationship Notre Dame has built with Texas coaches since Brian Kelly came to South Bend, you know? And it's not like Brian Kelly doesn't have a history of just wanting athletes whom the staff can develop into the players. What's the difference between Tranquill and this guy in that regard? Not much.

(Plus I think it's important to remember that recruiting is equally the recruit's duty as it is the college coaches'. Flying under the radar is reallly easy. One of my best friends was an absolute stud in high school but never got offers or even looks because he never went to any off-season camps...whereas I did so I got attention. He finished the season 1st team all-state and whatnot, that but never got so much as a phone call (which he didn't really mind because he wanted to focus on academics).

The summer after graduation he was invited to an all-star game due to his all-state finish and went off for like ~220 receiving yards and 3 TDs, and game MVP. He went to bed that night with multiple preferred walk-on offers from D1 schools who told him they're shocked they'd never heard of him. The biggest difference out of high school between my friend and Dan Sanzenbacher is that Ted Ginn Sr made Dane a last-minute addition on his Big Ten bus-tour (Ted Sr does an amazing job of getting kids attention), where they went to Ohio State and Jim Tressel liked what he saw. It's that crazy sometimes.)

 

[PANDFAN]

But at the same time, during the bye week is when coaches are going to have the time to review the film of players who blow up during the senior year. It's not hard to fly under the radar.

I actually liked this kid's film. Are five-star studs preferred? You bet. But I'd be more inclined to think it's a "reach" if it's a later addition (January) and not just part of what I assume is the result of a bye week under-the-radar analysis by the coaching staff.

This could also be the result of the relationship Notre Dame has built with Texas coaches since Brian Kelly came to South Bend, you know? And it's not like Brian Kelly doesn't have a history of just wanting athletes whom the staff can develop into the players. What's the difference between Tranquill and this guy in that regard? Not much.

(Plus I think it's important to remember that recruiting is equally the recruit's duty as it is the college coaches'. Flying under the radar is reallly easy. One of my best friends was an absolute stud in high school but never got offers or even looks because he never went to any off-season camps...whereas I did so I got attention. He finished the season 1st team all-state and whatnot, that but never got so much as a phone call (which he didn't really mind because he wanted to focus on academics).

The summer after graduation he was invited to an all-star game due to his all-state finish and went off for like ~220 receiving yards and 3 TDs, and game MVP. He went to bed that night with multiple preferred walk-on offers from D1 schools who told him they're shocked they'd never heard of him. The biggest difference out of high school between my friend and Dan Sanzenbacher is that Ted Ginn Sr made Dane a last-minute addition on his Big Ten bus-tour (Ted Sr does an amazing job of getting kids attention), where they went to Ohio State and Jim Tressel liked what he saw. It's that crazy sometimes.)

1st year HEAD coach there, he was an assistant for 8 years at Steele High School and has a total of 13 years experience, winless the previous year---he didn't do any camps..needless to say he probably just didn't get his name out there

 

[Me2SouthBend]

BTW, I would want this kid 10 times out of 10 over Tranquill. Nothing against Drue.

 

[CanadalovesND]

There are so many under the radar kids out there that could be stars on many BCS teams.

Try living in Canada lol

I played on a bottom Tier 2 team in ROPSAA where we typically were a .500 team year in and year out. Unless you got major connections with university coaches, you won't even get a whiff of the cologne of a college recruiter.

I was one of the most athletic players in my team. 6'2'' 235 DE, ran a 4.82 (that's considered fast up here for a DL lol). Made a lot of plays, all I had was my highlight tape that my mother filmed of me.

Anyways, long story short, just when I thought I was SOL on playing at the next level, I got offered by a post-graduate cegep in Rimouski, Quebec, where you can continue playing for them while you can move onto CIS (university) football. Too bad I tore my rotator cuff and them french turds didn't want me no more.

But ya, a lot of kids go unnoticed or under the radar due to many factors.

 

[woolybug25]

But at the same time, during the bye week is when coaches are going to have the time to review the film of players who blow up during the senior year. It's not hard to fly under the radar.

Do you believe that is why this flurry of 2/3 star offers is going out? Because just now, their film was evaluated? I don't. I think the staff knows we are whiffing on elite talent and want the depth. So during the bye, they evaluated film of "project" players and started ripping off offers.

This could also be the result of the relationship Notre Dame has built with Texas coaches since Brian Kelly came to South Bend, you know? And it's not like Brian Kelly doesn't have a history of just wanting athletes whom the staff can develop into the players. What's the difference between Tranquill and this guy in that regard? Not much.

You know how I feel about that...

I'm not saying that we shouldn't get these types of guys or not be excited about them. What I am saying is that you can't build your team with them. Which by all accounts, seems to be the direction we are going in regards of LB's. For every "project" player that turns into Luke Kuechly, there are 50 more that stay Bruce Heggie.

 

[aubeirish]

Looking at the kid and his highlight film, this could possibly be a major steal. Let's not forget that some kids explode during their senior year and become very successful in college.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Want. Nile Sykes too.

 

[BeauBenken]

I've seen like 10 seconds of his highlights and am already REALLY impressed. My face when this guy is a two star...

 

[gkIrish]

I'm glad we are taking a shot on this kid because we will probably whiff everywhere else but let's stop making fun of USC every time they sign a 2-star player that probably has above average tape we don't bother to watch. It's super hypocritical.

 

[IRISHMAN]

rivals, scouts and epsn all epic fails on this kids evaluation. i was hooked after his first highlight, i'd take this kid all day long.

 

[gkIrish]

I agree with a lot of the comments. Great hands, very athletic. Love his swag--we need more kids like that.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Do you believe that is why this flurry of 2/3 star offers is going out? Because just now, their film was evaluated? I don't.

I'm not sure either way, but they all have been offered over the bye week. That says something, maybe this:

I think the staff knows we are whiffing on elite talent and want the depth. So during the bye, they evaluated film of "project" players and started ripping off offers.

..but maybe not. Probably a mixture of both. I wouldn't use the word whiffing though.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't get these types of guys or not be excited about them. What I am saying is that you can't build your team with them.

I'm not so sure that they are, or that they couldn't.

Which by all accounts, seems to be the direction we are going in regards of LB's. For every "project" player that turns into Luke Kuechly, there are 50 more that stay Bruce Heggie.

I think Bruce Heggie is 1000x less athletic than this guy. He's more cliche than Danny Woodhead on this forum.

Regardless, I think you might be surprised by the common impact of three-stars in this game. It's not just Kuechly. Hell the nation's #1 defense, Michigan State, is almost completely built with under-the-radar studs. The nation's top offenses, Baylor and Oregon, are by three-star quarterbacks. Mariota specifically had no good offers outside of Oregon (according to Rivals), I think Chip Kelly even built that program off of under-the-radar faaaaast running backs (now, of course, they are supremely talented at RB).

 

[BeauBenken]

My only question is...if he has a twin brother...what the **** are we waiting for?

Take them both.

Call it a day.

 

[dublinirish]

like his tape, always like to see a DE who has violent hands

 

[IrishLax]

like his tape, always like to see a DE who has violent hands

Good point. Especially important for LBs defeating blocks... something no one has been able to do consistently (not even Manti) for years.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Hope we get him.

 

[SaltyND24]

I'm in the same boat as all who have said that the only way this kid is 6'2" is if tallest player he went up against was 5'11"...In any case, I'll TAKE HIM!!!

 

[NDPhilly]

His tape has to be sped up.

 

[IRISHMAN]

Hope we get him.

considering his other offers and how shocked he was by the offer I feel real good about landing him.

perfect replacement for prince shembo.

 

[irishff1014]

I am with Wooly on this one. It is almost a desperation offer. Lets be real fellas if he was that athletic the would be many more schools at least ways showing interest. A 2 star /low 3 star that could end up seeing descent playing time if we don't pick up our game on recruiting the position. This isn't how you compete with Bama, LSU, Ohio State. And I like Chris Brown just as much as you all do but look how he has turned out so far. It has really been a disappointment with that speed and he is getting less looks the some of the freshman. Like i said i really like Brown and want to see him do well. I imagine that these twins are great young men but that doesn't mean they need a ND football offer.

 

[Domina Nostra]

considering his other offers and how shocked he was by the offer I feel real good about landing him.

perfect replacement for prince shembo.

Well Shembo was a highly-rated ILB, maybe he'll be the OLB that became an inside guy.

 

[Emcee77]

I hear ya, but being a D1 prospect doesn't make you capable of becoming a difference maker. We need difference makers. If this kid came in late in the cycle as a depth/project type guy, then yes... I would be psyched.

But it is apparently obvious that we filling NEED POSITIONS with project players instead of simply landing the elite prospects necessary to compete for championships.

I was saying this with Tranquill and now it seems to be the mantra of the class.

I don't think the staff will fill the class up with depth guys like this though, not yet. We just want to get a couple more high-upside guys for depth purposes, and then we will focus on guys with star power to round out the class. It's not really feasible to do it the opposite way, since so many elite players don't make final decisions until late in the cycle or even on NSD, so by the time they decide we won't have time to scramble. I think the staff is just being prudent by getting the depth guys first, and then it will push for the stars. If things go as planned, then in December and January we can full-court-press guys like Nyles Morgan or other stars who we don't even know we have a shot at at this point in the cycle (a la Eddie Vanderdoes or Greg Bryant), without having to worry about depth.

 

[IRISHMAN]

I am with Wooly on this one. It is almost a desperation offer. Lets be real fellas if he was that athletic the would be many more schools at least ways showing interest. A 2 star /low 3 star that could end up seeing descent playing time if we don't pick up our game on recruiting the position. This isn't how you compete with Bama, LSU, Ohio State. And I like Chris Brown just as much as you all do but look how he has turned out so far. It has really been a disappointment with that speed and he is getting less looks the some of the freshman. Like i said i really like Brown and want to see him do well. I imagine that these twins are great young men but that doesn't mean they need a ND football offer.

I don't know about the competition he's going up against but I think his film speeks for it's self.

I don't think we should bring in ten 2-star in every class but there are so many of these types of players that get overlooked every year. the honey badger was a 3-star kid that not many were offering until LSU offered him late, worked out pretty well for them.

corey robinson didn't have a big offers list but he's done well so far. BK and his staff seem to be good at finding guys that many teams overlook or pass by. if they offered him then they must like something about him.