'13 CA S Su'a Cravens (USC Verbal)

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Someday I hope that some sports historian is able to write a history explaining how the southern powers got away with this, when everyone in the business knew about it, and essentially no other schools could without the NCAA trying to thrash them. I don't read sports history books, but I'd read that one. (The discrepancy in NCAA reaction to our stupid, and from a prof's angle pretty minor, term paper fiasco vs this player/family buying constant behavior is criminal.) ... and the latest Deon Sanders vs Nick Saban vs Jimbo Fisher cry-babying and name-calling, while liberally (by their different overt/covert methods) grabbing cookies openly from the jar, breaks standards of hypocrisy. Someday all "championships*" from the "Southern Era of professionalism" should get asterisks. Each of these guys are excellent Businessmen --- they're really good at "anything goes for the bottom line." I couldn't gripe if everyone felt that they could do the same things, but obviously they DON'T think so.
 

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Su'a has had a lot of interesting things to say since graduating. Shame about his health ending his pro career.
 

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And now we go to the NCAA’s response:

*crickets*
Yeah, you'd think they'd want to speak to him immediately. Of course, they can't subpoena anyone and really have no power at all, so I'm sure they won't bother regardless.

I believe what Cravens is saying. Full stop.
 

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Someday I hope that some sports historian is able to write a history explaining how the southern powers got away with this, when everyone in the business knew about it, and essentially no other schools could without the NCAA trying to thrash them. I don't read sports history books, but I'd read that one. (The discrepancy in NCAA reaction to our stupid, and from a prof's angle pretty minor, term paper fiasco vs this player/family buying constant behavior is criminal.) ... and the latest Deon Sanders vs Nick Saban vs Jimbo Fisher cry-babying and name-calling, while liberally (by their different overt/covert methods) grabbing cookies openly from the jar, breaks standards of hypocrisy. Someday all "championships*" from the "Southern Era of professionalism" should get asterisks. Each of these guys are excellent Businessmen --- they're really good at "anything goes for the bottom line." I couldn't gripe if everyone felt that they could do the same things, but obviously they DON'T think so.
In some places the classrooms and labs are more important than wins and losses on the football field. In In other places, the state legislature amends the state FOIA law so that the football team is immune to outside investigation.
 

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Someday I hope that some sports historian is able to write a history explaining how the southern powers got away with this, when everyone in the business knew about it, and essentially no other schools could without the NCAA trying to thrash them. I don't read sports history books, but I'd read that one. (The discrepancy in NCAA reaction to our stupid, and from a prof's angle pretty minor, term paper fiasco vs this player/family buying constant behavior is criminal.) ... and the latest Deon Sanders vs Nick Saban vs Jimbo Fisher cry-babying and name-calling, while liberally (by their different overt/covert methods) grabbing cookies openly from the jar, breaks standards of hypocrisy. Someday all "championships*" from the "Southern Era of professionalism" should get asterisks. Each of these guys are excellent Businessmen --- they're really good at "anything goes for the bottom line." I couldn't gripe if everyone felt that they could do the same things, but obviously they DON'T think so.
This is one of my favorite written pieces related to college football (even though it's written by a notorious ND hater/troll):

Meet the bag man: 10 rules for paying college players

The SEC getting away with what was pretty obvious cheating/pay-for-play boils down to two things:
1. They had it down to a total hands-off science for coaches and staffers. They were almost never at risk, and made sure there were no paper trails.
2. In the rare instances where staff/coaches were directly involved, or if there WAS a paper trail somehow... all you do is refuse to cooperate with the NCAA. It has no teeth unless you cooperate and incriminate yourself. Plea the fifth, tell them to go pound sand, dare them to try and do anything at all without you incriminating yourself... the SEC and others have proven that the NCAA actually can't do it.

Upstanding institutions like ND had/have no reason to get themselves in trouble when they could handle things internally, but morality leads to them following the rules and putting themselves at the mercy of a totally inept and corrupt NCAA. The NCAA has *very few* opportunities to actually met out what they view as justice. They are constantly getting their asses handed to them in court. So when a school like ND serves themselves up on a silver platter, showing deference and hoping for a break from the committee for good behavior... they get jack shit in return, and get the hammer instead.

It's like that old saying, something along the lines of "Alabama cheated so bad that some other poor school that self-reports is going to get the death penalty."
 
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This is what they asked for and this is just the tip of the iceberg.... things will get worse. The sport will continue to get black eye after black eye until everyone can come together and agree the sport is corrupt.
 

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"Corrupt" implies a culture with an agreed upon set of moral standards. This ain't it.

For "corrupt" substitute "in line with cultural amorality, and therefore, in street terms, 'real'"

To which I add: All amoral roads lead inevitably to the Jungle. As the NFLs "greatest" asshole is smilingly quoted by everyone in the media --- "Just Win, Baby!"
 

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This is what they asked for and this is just the tip of the iceberg.... things will get worse. The sport will continue to get black eye after black eye until everyone can come together and agree the sport is corrupt.
lol nobody cares if its corrupt
 

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A lot do. It’s usually the ones profiting off if it that learn to live with the corruption, and they tend to be the most influential people. But a lot of people care.
 

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lol nobody cares if its corrupt
I wouldn’t say that. Most often even in relationships people suspect their spouse is cheating and can live with it, but finding your spouse in bed with another person is a whole other reality. Sometimes you just rather live with the thought it’s corrupt but it’s different when it slaps you in the face like it is now. Not to mention every game you watch on Saturday’s will have NIL discussions.
 

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I wouldn’t say that. Most often even in relationships people suspect their spouse is cheating and can live with it, but finding your spouse in bed with another person is a whole other reality. Sometimes you just rather live with the thought it’s corrupt but it’s different when it slaps you in the face like it is now. Not to mention every game you watch on Saturday’s will have NIL discussions.
That last sentence just made me quiver and feel nauseous.
 

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So, is adding schools like A&M to the SEC the beginning of a crack in the SEC? You have the original SEC good ol' boys with a gentlemen's agreement that ran around the south with their money enticing recruits. Now you adopt a new family member like A&M that doesn't give a crap about the past and isn't getting along with the rest of the family. He starts snubbing his nose and going outside of the gentlemen's agreement. Will UT & OU fit in?
 
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