'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[Polish Leppy 22]

Michael Vick is 6'. So is Drew Brees. Thanks for playing though.

Biggest problem with QB's at this height is many of their throws get batted down at the line unless they roll out or bootleg

Vick had 4 batted down on Sunday against the Bears and Rees has had it happen to him as well.

Good news is BK wants his QB to be athletic so he can get him outside the pocket to avoid this stuff

 

[Riddickulous]

Biggest problem with QB's at this height is many of their throws get batted down at the line unless they roll out or bootleg

Vick had 4 batted down on Sunday against the Bears and Rees has had it happen to him as well.

Good news is BK wants his QB to be athletic so he can get him outside the pocket to avoid this stuff

Rees has been picked off multiple times because of batted balls.

Golson at least has the mobility to roll out of the pocket.

 

[IrishLax]

Rees has been picked off multiple times because of batted balls.

Golson at least has the mobility to roll out of the pocket.

Rees also made the mistake of trying to throw through lineman dropping off the line and getting their hands up. Those kind of deflections happen whether you're 5'6" or 6'5" if you try to throw a pass right through someone.

The truth is height matters for only a couple throws (namely the shorter you are the more cushion you need for short-to-intermediate throws from the middle of the pocket to the middle of the field). Being Doug Flutie's or Chase Daniels' size makes a larger difference than simply being 6 foot versus 6'3". Plenty of QBs around 6 foot tall dominate in college and in the pros so his height doesn't concern me one bit.

 

[irishff1014]

I like both Crist and Rees but look how good rees was when the moved the pocket and he rolled right or left he was not bad at all.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I heard Jimmy Clausen is 7ft tall......aye, and if he were here, he would consume the English with Fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.......

Don't worry, I caught the Braveheart line. I'm excited about this kids speed and throwing ability more than I am afraid of his height.

 

[BestBIrish47]

Don't worry, I caught the Braveheart line. I'm excited about this kids speed and throwing ability more than I am afraid of his height.

Thank you, I was beginning to worry about the Irish Envy I know and love

 

[fitz_bu47]

One of the all time great flicks....everytime I get good and Whiskey drunk, I wake up in the morning (usually face down in the middle of my living room, w/ my brother somewhere not too far away in a similar position.) w/ Braveheart playing, my wife LOVES it when my lil bro and I get liquored up!!.....oh, and I say I hope we get Golson, never too many good qb options, especially in this offense!!

 

[BestBIrish47]

One of the all time great flicks....everytime I get good and Whiskey drunk, I wake up in the morning (usually face down in the middle of my living room, w/ my brother somewhere not too far away in a similar position.) w/ Braveheart playing, my wife LOVES it when my lil bro and I get liquored up!!.....oh, and I say I hope we get Golson, never too many good qb options, especially in this offense!!

We may have been seperated at birth..... that is how I woke up Sunday morning after the USC win!!!


On topic- I think Golson coming to Notre Dame could cause a similar event with me!

 

[fitz_bu47]

I like your style BestB!

 

[IrishinSyria]

First of all, Braveheart is unreal. Though Mel's a creep.

Second, I've always felt like height can lead to a false confidence in coaches and QBs. QBs like Brees become exceptionally good at moving around in the pocket and finding windows to throw into, because they know they have to generate throwing lanes themselves. QBs who can see over linemen don't always create those windows, which can lead to tipped balls when the arms come up. Height definitely helps, but there are a lot more important factors.

 

[BestBIrish47]

First of all, Braveheart is unreal. Though Mel's a creep.

Second, I've always felt like height can lead to a false confidence in coaches and QBs. QBs like Brees become exceptionally good at moving around in the pocket and finding windows to throw into, because they know they have to generate throwing lanes themselves. QBs who can see over linemen don't always create those windows, which can lead to tipped balls when the arms come up. Height definitely helps, but there are a lot more important factors.

Can I get a Doug Flutie reference? I know he went to Fredo, but lil guy has the heart of a champion.......

 

[mgriff]

Second, I've always felt like height can lead to a false confidence in coaches and QBs. QBs like Brees become exceptionally good at moving around in the pocket and finding windows to throw into, because they know they have to generate throwing lanes themselves. QBs who can see over linemen don't always create those windows, which can lead to tipped balls when the arms come up. Height definitely helps, but there are a lot more important factors.

Great analysis right there. +1

 

[roc351w]

Michael Vick is 6'. So is Drew Brees. Thanks for playing though.

when i posted that i knew someone genius would put in drew brees and mike vick. then i sit back and laugh because they are really two out of million qbs that grow up throwing the ball make it through college and actually produce in the nfl. The list of qbs 6' and under that have failed miserably in the nfl is staggering. so please dont let the next thing outta your mouth be hes the next vick/brees... dont wanna think any less of my irish brothers would i?

 

[GoIrish41]

when i posted that i knew someone genius would put in drew brees and mike vick. then i sit back and laugh because they are really two out of million qbs that grow up throwing the ball make it through college and actually produce in the nfl. The list of qbs 6' and under that have failed miserably in the nfl is staggering. so please dont let the next thing outta your mouth be hes the next vick/brees... dont wanna think any less of my irish brothers would i?

the list of QBs who are taller than 6 feet and failed in the NFL is even longer. Know why? Because so many more of them have been given a chance because they had the "required" height. nobody said he was the next vick or brees. watch this guy's film and you can see with your own eyes that he has talent - even if he is only 5-11. Besides, who cares what happens with him in the pros (chances are he won't get the chance). I for one only care about his potential at ND. I think that potential is obvious.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

the list of QBs who are taller than 6 feet and failed in the NFL is even longer. Know why? Because so many more of them have been given a chance because they had the "required" height. nobody said he was the next vick or brees. watch this guy's film and you can see with your own eyes that he has talent - even if he is only 5-11. Besides, who cares what happens with him in the pros (chances are he won't get the chance). I for one only care about his potential at ND. I think that potential is obvious.

I agree that the only thing that matters is how they produce at Notre Dame.

 

[Lepresean]

Look at Troy Smith, he won the Heisman while he was at Ohio State and had a pretty good college career, completing 63% of his passes for a little under 6,000 yards along with 54 tds and 13 interceptions. All of this while playing in more of a pro style offense. The advantage that Everett would have is that he is playing in a spread offense vs. the pro style. This allows him to see the field more clearly and gives him more time to throw.
Another quarterback that was the same class as Troy Smith and was listed at 6'3" and is also a back up in the NFL like Troy Smith, our very own Brady Quinn.

 

[roc351w]

i'll have to bow outta this debate on that note, truth is i dont care who they have back there, it could be an one-eyed leprechaun tossing laterals as long as we score.

 

[roc351w]

sketchy an irish fan insinuating troy smith was better then the mighty quinn how do you sleep at night.....haha

 

[Lepresean]

Haha I was not going after you or saying that Troy Smith is better than Brady Quinn. I was just stating my opinion as to why I want to see Everett on Notre Dame and given a chance at quarterback. Whether or not a quarterback makes it in the NFL is contingent on a lot more than his height, I for one believe Brady was never given the proper opportunity in the NFL, and that he got unlucky the two years he performed well enough for heisman consideration.

 

[bornready85]

Look at Troy Smith, he won the Heisman while he was at Ohio State and had a pretty good college career, completing 63% of his passes for a little under 6,000 yards along with 54 tds and 13 interceptions. All of this while playing in more of a pro style offense. The advantage that Everett would have is that he is playing in a spread offense vs. the pro style. This allows him to see the field more clearly and gives him more time to throw.
Another quarterback that was the same class as Troy Smith and was listed at 6'3" and is also a back up in the NFL like Troy Smith, our very own Brady Quinn.

You also have guys like Drew Tate,Chris Leak,Taylor Martinez,Chase Daniel,Kellen Moore,Jeremiah Masoli,Max Hall,etc.

 

[roc351w]

You also have guys like Drew Tate,Chris Leak,Taylor Martinez,Chase Daniel,Kellen Moore,Jeremiah Masoli,Max Hall,etc.

WHO?????

 

[IHateMarkMay]

You also have guys like Drew Tate,Chris Leak,Taylor Martinez,Chase Daniel,Kellen Moore,Jeremiah Masoli,Max Hall,etc.

You can't put Masoli in with those guys. 167-296 (56.4%), 2039 yards, 14TDs to 13Ints, 544 yards rushing and 6 TDs. Doesn't sound anything like the other guys you mentioned. I don't know Drew Tate's stats while he was at Iowa or Leaks though.

 

[roc351w]

tate was a baller but threw alot on int's and got hurt alot. and chris leak was run out his senior year but some young guy named tebow, martinez now thats just crazy, masoli maybe a better running back then qb int problem. moores allright for a lefty but look at the level of compition. chase daniel might just have the best stats out of all of them but he did get hit alot. max hall yeah i choose not.

 

[bornready85]

tate was a baller but threw alot on int's and got hurt alot. and chris leak was run out his senior year but some young guy named tebow, martinez now thats just crazy, masoli maybe a better running back then qb int problem. moores allright for a lefty but look at the level of compition. chase daniel might just have the best stats out of all of them but he did get hit alot. max hall yeah i choose not.

I didn't say they were amazing...just successful college QB's(well Masoli was at Oregon atleast). I also don't recall Tebow running Chris Leak out his senior year seeing as he only threw 33 passes.

 

[Lepresean]

Everyone is different, as witnessed by Martinez and Masoli vs. Leak and Moore. The first two are in a running system, the other two are better known for throwing the ball. We are trying to make an argument for or against short quarterbacks. We should all just wait and see if Everett chooses Notre Dame and if he does, let us give him a fair shake at quarterback. I know I was part of this debate just a second ago so it is somewhat hypocritical, but we can run around in circles saying height matters on a quarterback, what matters the most is whether they fit the system and whether or not they have the tools. I myself cannot wait to find out if Everett does.

 

[roc351w]

I didn't say they were amazing...just successful college QB's(well Masoli was at Oregon atleast). I also don't recall Tebow running Chris Leak out his senior year seeing as he only threw 33 passes.

because they ran all over, leak was either throwing ints or getting sacked.... towards the end of the season you started to see tebow more often.. even in the sec championship game and bcs game.

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

This guy is going to be the 1st domino to fall in this class to get other guys excited to pull the trigger. Saturday starts it!

 

[IrishTimer]

yeah Hendrix has great skill sets and Golson is a very good fit for this spread offense. But people need to remember that EXPERIENCE is a huge factor in all of this. You can't just expect a kid who has never played at the college to come in and play at a high level.

If kelly starts a guy other than Rees or Crist, we will see struggles like we saw early in the season. These guys just don't have experience yet, and it would just be another setback to start a first time starter.

....Haven't we just won 3 straight games with a first time starter?

Biggest problem with QB's at this height is many of their throws get batted down at the line unless they roll out or bootleg

Vick had 4 batted down on Sunday against the Bears and Rees has had it happen to him as well.

Good news is BK wants his QB to be athletic so he can get him outside the pocket to avoid this stuff

I think comparing NFL DLmen to college DLmen and the different concepts that they run at each level is a bit off. Brees and Vick both did fine in college throwing the ball even though they are short. Spread passing attacks generally open more throwing lanes anyways.

Rees has been picked off multiple times because of batted balls.

Golson at least has the mobility to roll out of the pocket.

True..and i think some of this will all be moot anyways in a couple seasons when Mauk comes to campus. Kelly offered the kid as a true soph when he was at Cincy.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Moore is the best QB in college football this year, maybe with the exception of Luck or Newton.

 

[IrishMoore1]

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Mike Frank at ISD says he'd be very surprised if Golson isn't committed to ND by the end of the week