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Free Manera

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Now wait...

I thought the broadcasting and presentation was largely really good today

We got the "Here Comes The Irish Song" and the Alma Mater

The commentators didnt sound like they hated us. In fact, they were largely positive about ND

I was happy with Senor Eagle and his color friend
It’s not the commentators I have a problem with. It’s the audio/visual stuff. ESPN makes you feel like you’re in the stadium and embraces the crowd component which is integral to college football. NBC kinda neuters it.

I actually saw a poster on MSU247 call the environment “insane”. The broadcast did not give that vibe at all.
 

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This is the best phrasing I have seen and I think it is spot on.

I have no idea why we aren't just going 4 wide and chucking it all over the yard as the "standard." We finished the game with 36 RB runs to 24 pass attempts and I just don't know why that's the offense. Probably could create more explosive runs by going throw-throw-throw-RUN into a light box and maybe you make one guy miss.
12 personnel has to go. They are not receiving threats and make up for it by not blocking well. I feel like ripping the Mike Leach playbook from his memoir would be better than what Denbrock is putting out there right now.
 

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In general, they just do not throw to the middle of the field. Thats why TE/slot are so underutilized. If you look at a pass chart, ND very rarely targets that area except for RB checkdowns.

But when they do I feel like there’s always success and it’s a big play

Which I’ve contended since last year is mainly a Carr thing. He does not like at all to throw it 5 - 15 yards middle of the field because it can be messy read to throw. He’ll throw posts all day because at that point the safety read becomes clear. He’ll throw outs to the slot. He’ll throw corner routes to TEs.

I do think he’s shown some progress on this with the check downs and even last night he had just a little spot route to Gilbert
 

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This may've been mentioned after you posted like my previous reply, but I'm too lazy to read the entire thread.

One problem I've noticed with the running game is it's too congested. Even the receivers are bunched up most of the time. That's great when Love and Price can beat everyone to the edge and gash them, but these plodders we have running the ball now need better spacing to get the straight ahead gains of 5-7 yards.

The gap runs have been a mess nearly every time. I don’t know what you teach the TEs on it but a few versus Wisconsin Flanagan was flattening his dude and it’s like all you did was cause a 5 car pile up. He needs driven out of the lane. I think Wisconsin might have been doing something on purpose there cause guys were constantly on the ground
 

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Which I’ve contended since last year is mainly a Carr thing. He does not like at all to throw it 5 - 15 yards middle of the field because it can be messy read to throw. He’ll throw posts all day because at that point the safety read becomes clear. He’ll throw outs to the slot. He’ll throw corner routes to TEs.
It’s quite a contrast from the Book/Buchner/Pyne/Hartman years (minus the one-year interlude with Coan who actually had an arm) where we rarely threw over the top or outside routes more than 10 yards. Was all tight ends and middle stuff back then.
 

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Oh wait that was Brayden Robinson!?! On the broadcast they said Leonard Moore, which I thought was a weird and needlessly risky move.
The two-guys-with-the-same-number thing is so annoying.
For sure. I also got fooled by the broadcast as well and thought "why the hell is he on punt" but then again for some reason KVA is, too And I couldn't believe his lack of field awareness.

Then it all made a whole lot more sense later on lol
 

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It’s not the commentators I have a problem with. It’s the audio/visual stuff. ESPN makes you feel like you’re in the stadium and embraces the crowd component which is integral to college football. NBC kinda neuters it.

I actually saw a poster on MSU247 call the environment “insane”. The broadcast did not give that vibe at all.
Yeah, ND night games that I have attended in recent years have actually been pretty lit (in ways they did not used to feel). That did not come through on the TV last night at all.

Whereas Saturday night SEC environments look and feel absolutely bananas on TV.
 

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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Denbrock may be keeping it vanilla until we play the tougher teams. I hope that's the case.

Hopefully the O line is still gelling. Talent and size wise, it should be destroying teams.
 

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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Denbrock may be keeping it vanilla until we play the tougher teams. I hope that's the case.

Hopefully the O line is still gelling. Talent and size wise, it should be destroying teams.
To be fair. Wisconsin and Sparty are likely two of the best defenses we will play this year, especially in the front seven. I suspect we will run more effectively against even “better” teams like SMU and probably BYU.

(But, yes, that is no reason we have to lean in to the “rock fight in a phone booth” offense. Especially when we are light at RB and have our best QB in a long time.)
 

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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Denbrock may be keeping it vanilla until we play the tougher teams. I hope that's the case.

Hopefully the O line is still gelling. Talent and size wise, it should be destroying teams.

You can be plan Jane and throw the ball down the field and across the middle to a TE. This is a lame excuse.
 

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I get we are loaded at LB and deep at DL but Madden Farimo getting 0 snaps again he just stupid. Dude made things happen in the little action he got last year. Also Dunham with only 2 snaps and shoulda had a sack on the 1 Dude needs more snaps.
 

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I get we are loaded at LB and deep at DL but Madden Farimo getting 0 snaps again he just stupid. Dude made things happen in the little action he got last year. Also Dunham with only 2 snaps and shoulda had a sack on the 1 Dude needs more snaps.
We only play 2 lbs at a time and he’s 5th on the depth chart. It is what it is.
 

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I get we are loaded at LB and deep at DL but Madden Farimo getting 0 snaps again he just stupid. Dude made things happen in the little action he got last year. Also Dunham with only 2 snaps and shoulda had a sack on the 1 Dude needs more snaps.
My brother in Christ, they gave up 10 points and 167 yards.
 

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I get we are loaded at LB and deep at DL but Madden Farimo getting 0 snaps again he just stupid. Dude made things happen in the little action he got last year. Also Dunham with only 2 snaps and shoulda had a sack on the 1 Dude needs more snaps.

These are good problems to have. That means the staff is recruiting much better then we used too.
 

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MSU On3 writer is upset they missed, checks notes, one holding call:

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They're all a bit "de-lu-lu" about how close the game was. They couldn't move the ball. They had one chunk play, and a short field FG off the failed fake punt. It was a misleading scoreline at half and then ND didn't have many drives / didn't finish drives in the second half and that's why it was a 3 score victory rather than 4-5 scores.

But holistically, I understand their point that they played very physical in the first half and kept themselves in the game and "could've" made it tight to the end had they gotten a few lucky breaks or more favorable calls.
 

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To be fair. Wisconsin and Sparty are likely two of the best defenses we will play this year, especially in the front seven. I suspect we will run more effectively against even “better” teams like SMU and probably BYU.

(But, yes, that is no reason we have to lean in to the “rock fight in a phone booth” offense. Especially when we are light at RB and have our best QB in a long time.)
Joe Rossi is a very good defensive coordinator. Both MSU and UW had specific wrinkles for ND and to a large degree, it worked for both of them. This happens early in the year when I guarantee you both coaching staffs devoted significant work off season gearing up for this game. That can happen when it is game 1 or game 3 after playing two warm up opponents. Sure, schools will always have a wrinkle. But the degree of magnitude is lessened as the season progresses. Last night was a good sign and outcome considering the sloppyness at times.
 

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Joe Rossi is a very good defensive coordinator. Both MSU and UW had specific wrinkles for ND and to a large degree, it worked for both of them. This happens early in the year when I guarantee you both coaching staffs devoted significant work off season gearing up for this game. That can happen when it is game 1 or game 3 after playing two warm up opponents. Sure, schools will always have a wrinkle. But the degree of magnitude is lessened as the season progresses. Last night was a good sign and outcome considering the sloppyness at times.

I think that is the biggest thing with MSU and Wisconsin defensively is they both have good coaches and if their portal vets took to the coaching they’ll probably be 20 - 30 range nationally in defense. We will see this weekend with both playing PSU and Nebraska
 

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Joe Rossi is a very good defensive coordinator. Both MSU and UW had specific wrinkles for ND and to a large degree, it worked for both of them. This happens early in the year when I guarantee you both coaching staffs devoted significant work off season gearing up for this game. That can happen when it is game 1 or game 3 after playing two warm up opponents. Sure, schools will always have a wrinkle. But the degree of magnitude is lessened as the season progresses. Last night was a good sign and outcome considering the sloppyness at times.
Agree 100%. Fickell and Fitz are damn good defensive guys. Fitz always had some smart coaches on his staffs, having to do more with less. Look at the Braun guy Fitz brought in at NW , he is doing a good job with the poor resources there.
 

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I wonder if Aneyas’ personal foul on his TD celebration is the straw the broke the camel’s back?

Freeman was visibly pissed and Aneyas didn’t get much run after that.


Eh, there were only 10 drives the whole game (9 real drives, 1 end of 1H).

There were 5 after that penalty, NJJ was primary back on 3, AW on 2(+JW on 1 of these), 1 less than even split. idk...
 

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In defense of the gameplan. It’s much more productive to try and work on your obvious shortcomings on offense against an inferior opponent than to consistently hit your easy button (like Miami does). Coaching staff knows the line and run game has to get better to win a championship and they’re trying to give them the reps to do so
 

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Denbrock and MFMF need to make a decision - quickly. Stats do not lie; and maybe AW needs to be the No 2 again.... maybe even No 3. I hate it for him. I guess the defenses last year were so tired of chasing Love and Price, Williams was a 'mirage' to us and was getting reps when the opposing D was tired IDK. But NJJ is finding holes and lanes that Williams is not. I"m starting to think that it may not be the OLine entirely.

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Denbrock and MFMF need to make a decision - quickly. Stats do not lie; and maybe AW needs to be the No 2 again.... maybe even No 3. I hate it for him. I guess the defenses last year were so tired of chasing Love and Price, Williams was a 'mirage' to us and was getting reps when the opposing D was tired IDK. But NJJ is finding holes and lanes that Williams is not. I"m starting to think that it may not be the OLine entirely.

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Judging by the number of carries, the decision has been made.
 
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