Tommy Rees and Carlo Calabrese arrested

[Mr. McGibblets]

Which one are you?

Well im not 3, and Im not 1, so i guess I am 2ish because I never shy away from a solid tailgate or happy hour.

 

[irish4ever]

This is basicaly the Michael Floyd DUI discussion all over again.

3 Groups:

- People defending the action because they are drinkers and understand how things can escalate

- Those who used to drink being able to see both sides

- And then the people who dont drink saying that they are "Mr. Grown Up" and never speed, drink, cheat, lie, gossip etc.

I'd add a 4th group, which I would include myself ...

- Those who HAVE and CONTINUE to drink and being able to see both sides.

 

[gkIrish]

I have not seen 1 post with the correct story posted in this thread so I feel that some should take a deep breath and go about your day.

Also, this crap is starting to **** me off man. Either tell us the "real story" or don't make posts like this at all. It's extremely disrespectful to tell someone to "go about their day" like they are a moron and just hide behind your reputation

 

[irishpat183]

You've never lived in South Bend, but you know its no different than other college towns?

You have no idea how Notre Dame and South Bend have changed in the past 50 years: While South Bend has declined into a poor, rust belt city, Notre Dame has risen to one of the richest schools in the country, with both an intellectually and financially elite student body.

That changing dynamic between city and university hasn't happened in every college town.

Most small college towns are just like that. Think about it.....The college is the reason the town is there in most cases, Like where I went to school. And most the students, were far more educated than the people that lived in the town.

So again, how is this different? Yes, maybe kids are a little smarter and a little richer than the people that I'm talking about...but that exact dynamic is more common than you think.

 

[Patulski]

South Bend isn't rural.

What rich private universities in Ohio are you talking about? Notre Dame's endowment is 7 Billion dollars.

That said, I can name quite a few small schools (DII and DIII) in Ohio that are in similar situations. Private, "rich" universities in rural areas.

 

[gkIrish]

Just told my friend about this and his response was

"At least he has swag now"

 

[Patulski]

Yeah, because most colleges (hint for you: Notre Dame is a university, Holy Cross is a college) have a private endowment of 7 Billion dollars, right?

Most small college towns are just like that. Think about it.....The college is the reason the town is there in most cases, Like where I went to school. And most the students, were far more educated than the people that lived in the town.

So again, how is this different? Yes, maybe kids are a little smarter and a little richer than the people that I'm talking about...but that exact dynamic is more common than you think.

 

[Walter White]

This is very disappointing news. If there wasn't the "assault" it would not be a big deal at all. Depending on what that actually means and how the officer reports it will determine the seriousness of this case. I don't see Rees getting suspended from school because this is his first offense, but this might warrant some time away from the football team. Hopefully, everything gets waived in court.

Calabrese is not likely to get into any issues with the university and football team besides some sprints.

On the police argument going on:
I do not have any person experience with the SBPD and only lived in SB when I was young, but I do know that the issues with that relationship have caused ND over the past couple years to actually address it publicly. I think last year I heard that ND tried to put together a parade with the police and the students marching together or something on a gameday.

 

[deblaz6497]

I think I can sum this situation up

I think I can sum this situation up

I have no remorse for Tommy
I want to bring to everyones attention the phrase the team chants as they break before and after practices.... "COUNT ON ME" ... What Tommy did doesnt just effect him it effects every single player, coach, football staff, student, fans and the University as a whole. When Mike Floyd got pulled over he didnt stop and then floor it and try to get away. He pulled to the side of the road even when realizing what his actions had led to and he took it like a man. He than continued to handle the situation like a man and improved from this road block he created... Tommy supposely "ran" which I am assuming resisting means and than once caught he asaulted an officer. His actions were so over the top that pepper spray needed to be used to disable him. I want to bring back in our motto "COUNT ON ME" ... Carlo is a senior so I am assuming he is 21 but I might be wrong but he had no reason to get in trouble he got involved clearly because of TOMMYs actions. He for filled his promise that when in need his teammate could count on him. TOmmys actions not only destroyed his life but put his teammates and university's name on the line.

I will be honest I didnt want Tommy leading our team because of his physical limits.... I will be honest again I dont want Tommy leading our team cause he is not a leader. He is a child, he didnt handle the situation like a man and take the effects his actions led to. He is not someone I want anyone of the young men wearing a golden dome on saturdays to follow. I dont feel bad for him in the least. I feel bad for the teammates that believed in him, I feel bad for the fans that cheered for him, I feel bad for Coach Kelly cause he continued to believe in this kid and put his job on the line for this kid only to find out the only really part the Tommy took in in the motto was "ME" cause last night that is all that tommy could think about is what is goin to happen to me... it is a lesson to all, look where worrying about yourself gets you.

The Era EG has begun

 

[GreatGolson]

wow... only one thing i can say after this. Next man up.

 

[NDdomer2]

Well im not 3, and Im not 1, so i guess I am 2ish because I never shy away from a solid tailgate or happy hour.

I agree with your original post for the most part but would say group 2 are just level headed individuals. Not necessarily those who used to drink and no longer do.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I have no remorse for Tommy
I want to bring to everyones attention the phrase the team chants as they break before and after practices.... "COUNT ON ME" ... What Tommy did doesnt just effect him it effects every single player, coach, football staff, student, fans and the University as a whole. When Mike Floyd got pulled over he didnt stop and then floor it and try to get away. He pulled to the side of the road even when realizing what his actions had led to and he took it like a man. He than continued to handle the situation like a man and improved from this road block he created... Tommy supposely "ran" which I am assuming resisting means and than once caught he asaulted an officer. His actions were so over the top that pepper spray needed to be used to disable him. I want to bring back in our motto "COUNT ON ME" ... Carlo is a senior so I am assuming he is 21 but I might be wrong but he had no reason to get in trouble he got involved clearly because of TOMMYs actions. He for filled his promise that when in need his teammate could count on him. TOmmys actions not only destroyed his life but put his teammates and university's name on the line.

I will be honest I didnt want Tommy leading our team because of his physical limits.... I will be honest again I dont want Tommy leading our team cause he is not a leader. He is a child, he didnt handle the situation like a man and take the effects his actions led to. He is not someone I want anyone of the young men wearing a golden dome on saturdays to follow. I dont feel bad for him in the least. I feel bad for the teammates that believed in him, I feel bad for the fans that cheered for him, I feel bad for Coach Kelly cause he continued to believe in this kid and put his job on the line for this kid only to find out the only really part the Tommy took in in the motto was "ME" cause last night that is all that tommy could think about is what is goin to happen to me... it is a lesson to all, look where worrying about yourself gets you.

The Era EG has begun

I like this post, though. Nicely said.

 

[NDPhilly]

Carlo allegedly said "my people will get you" to the arresting officer. Considering him being from North Jersey and of course his Italian last name that's not exactly something you want to say

 

[irishpat183]

I don't have anything new to add but my thoughts are...

Anyone who relates this to the QB competition should be ashamed (If this was Manti how would ya'll feel)
If the players are found guilty in court they should be ashamed
This puts a stain on our program
As a former ND student, I can tell you that the SBPD treats many students poorly, some of it stems from the fact that campus has its own police department.

Comparing Rees to Manti isn't fair. Manti is a team leader and bonafide superstar...Rees isn't. And like it or not, "star" players get different treatment than others. Not say that would be the case here, but I think that's comparing apples to oranges. Same goes with comparing this to Floyd.

And while we like to think that what a guy does off the field shouldn't matter on....that can't be the case with your QB. He's gotta be a leader and set an example.

We'll see what happens. Maybe this lights a fire under his a$$ and he works harder than ever. I don't think the deserves to be kicked off the team (unless the fight with the cop was worse than reported...there's not excuse for that) but he needs to know that the expectation is a little higher for a QB, even one that isn't a "star".

 

[Woneone]

South Bend isn't rural.

What rich private universities in Ohio are you talking about? Notre Dame's endowment is 7 Billion dollars.

It's a unique culture that is hard to grasp if you haven't been there. It's a small private university with upper class philosophies locked inside a rural blue collar midwestern town (South Bend).

I was basing my comment off of woolybug25's post. If you don't consider South Bend rural, than I guess that expands my available schools for comparison.

Endowments that big? No, got me there (although, I just read it's 6.2b, so I gues we're being pretty liberal with our rounding).

If South Bend isn't rural, the most obvious comparions (off the top of my head) would be the University of Dayton. If you've never been, there is a reason they call the area around UD the "ghetto". It used to be much worse, but they have been buying up quite a bit of land around campus, and it's become nicer, but it's still in a rather rundown area of Dayton all things considered.

I believe it actually passed ND on the list of student population at a Catholic University (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and comparative to other schools, and based on their reputation, the student body is considered to be of an upper-class nature.

So no, I can't compare endowments, then again, I suck at shooting moving targets. If South Bend isn't considered a "rural" area, then UD would be a pretty comparable example. Of course, there are differences (you won't find an exact copy of ND, I get that), but similar != exact.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Jesus Christ lock this thread it has turned into people arguining about this and that. With that being said they both commited a crime, simple as that. Lets move on and focus on players that are doing the right things for the program.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here are my observations on the SBPD after having lived on campus for 5 years and in Granger for 2:

• Patulski, Lax, and Wooly are right. The socio-economic and racial dynamics at work in this situation are far different than any other major school of which I'm aware. The town has declined economically, the school has become extremely wealthy, and the serious criminal activity in the city occurs primarily in areas that are predominantly populated by racial minorities.
  
• SBPD is hostile toward ND students for two big reasons: (1) they're accountable to the permanent residents of South Bend, not the University, so in any situation where residents are annoyed with students (reasonably or not), they're going to favor the residents; and (2) cracking down on students is a quick and easy way to generate revenue. Taken together, (1) and (2) are why so many off-campus parties get raided.
  
• I don't have any statistical data to back this up, but SBPD seems to be predominantly Caucasian, and much of the serious crime in South Bend happens in the predominantly African-American neighborhoods. Racial tensions are likely part of the reason why SBPD doesn't simply "focus on the real crime".
  
• For better or for worse, drinking is an integral part of American culture. That's why Prohibition was a spectacular failure. We can complain about selective enforcement by the SBPD, but a stupid federal policy is truly to blame for this. If you're old enough to enlist in the military, vote, and be tried as an adult, you're old enough to drink. For those in this thread wagging their fingers at "kids these days" and the "devil drink", if you don't have a plausible suggestion for affecting a fundamental change in American culture, then you're just whistling in the wind.
  
• The University really needs to provide a safe way for underage students to drink on-campus. The current policy is willfully blind to the University's culture, and it leaves students at the mercy of a hostile law enforcement agency.
  
• Current students need to realize that whenever they enter South Bend, they are in a foreign jurisdiction and need to comport themselves accordingly. Not only because they're ambassadors of the University, but because they're going to be more strictly scrutinized by local law enforcement, which sees them as troublesome outsiders. The entitled attitude many ND students exhibit when it comes to partying in South Bend doesn't help matters at all.

 

[gkIrish]

Jesus Christ lock this thread it has turned into people arguining about this and that. With that being said they both commited a crime, simple as that. Lets move on and focus on players that are doing the right things for the program.

Bro, you realize that no one committed a crime until they are found guilty, right?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Sad day for ND

Sad day for ND

This whole situation is unfortunate. The one thing I could hold my head up about his football program over these last 10(terrible on the field years) was the "We Are ND" mantra. But, with the recent black eyes on the football program(rape allegations/suicide, Declan Sullivan, Michael Floyd DUI/no suspension,and now this) it is making it difficult to fully believe anymore. I hail from central Pennsylvania where the Penn State Nittany Lions are king, or as I like to call them "State Penn University". I can take losing seasons on the field, with kids that give there all for this great University. What I will not take is for our university to become the vermin of NCAA athletics that are schools such as: Miami FL, Ohio State, State Penn, and Florida. I'm not saying we are becoming that at all, but I think it is fair to say that we are seeing some alarming trends.

Also, please stop with the fighting within the fan group. There are enough "ND haters" that I have to deal with out there. I dont want to come to my one sanctuary that is IrishEnvy, and see what I'm seeing in this thread.

 

[irishpat183]

Yeah, because most colleges (hint for you: Notre Dame is a university, Holy Cross is a college) have a private endowment of 7 Billion dollars, right?

That point doesn't take away anything from the point I was making. The situation is the same.

College, university, whatever...in a town that is either poor or in decline...is resented by the town residents. Even though the said university brings in all the money. It's somewhat of a "bite the hand that feeds" mentality. The cops and townies treat the college kids like spoiled little brats that are invading their town....and the college kids think they own the place because they are getting an education and the university is keeping the town alive.

The amount of money doesn't matter in the least....the mindset is the same.

 

[irishff1014]

You don't know what you are talking about. Notre Dame is significantly different than say, a large state school with 30,000 students.

Notre Dame is not in South Bend, it's in Notre Dame, IN. It's a unique culture that is hard to grasp if you haven't been there. It's a small private university with upper class philosophies locked inside a rural blue collar midwestern town (South Bend). It's a social dynamic that is unique to Notre Dame that no other school has.

Seriously, if you think that Notre Dame's social dynamic is "no different than other college towns" then you are so off base that it isn't even funny. As I said before, if you don't know, then you haven't spent time there.

With Floyd getting locked up twice, Rees and CC get locked up along with some of the other off field issues we are so much better aren't we? Thats what i expect from a stuck up person take that as you will.

 

[cowme]

No actually, I meant SOUTH BEND. This town sucks so bad. They hate ND and everything that has to do with it, except for all the MONEY it brings in. Michigan fans are the last people on Earth who can say anything about these arrests. Their players get arrested for domestic violence, breaking and entering, DUI's, public indecency, and still get to play....so I can't care about what they say.

Sorry but that is a little absurd. Stonum was suspended for a year for his DUI and kicked off the team when he violated probation. Rich rod kick a number of players off the team for the other charges you speak of. The public indecency charge on Harrison occurred after he played his last game at Michigan.

I'm not saying anything about the Rees situation (I don't think it's a big deal honestly other than the legal implications..,just a college kid being drunk and stupid). But don't act like we don't discipline our players.

 

[gkIrish]

[*]The University really needs to provide a safe way for underage students to drink on-campus. The current policy is willfully blind to the University's culture, and it leaves students at the mercy of a hostile law enforcement agency.

There is a safe way for underage kids to drink on campus. It is essentially ND policy that you can drink beer or wine in your dorm room (especially male dorms) without any problems. Students are told to keep it to their rooms. If a student decides to go off-campus to drink it's pretty much up to them to not get caught.

 

[IrishMoore1]

If Tommy doesn't have the mobility to escape arrest, then he certainly doesn't have the mobility to escape the rush. All the more reason for Golson/Hendrix to start.

I hope Tommy has the chance to at least stay at ND. Who knows what ResLife will do with him, and that's after he serves possible jail time.

 

[woolybug25]

With Floyd getting locked up twice, Rees and CC get locked up along with some of the other off field issues we are so much better aren't we? Thats what i expect from a stuck up person take that as you will.

Don't make this personal, bro.

You obviously don't understand what I am talking about, and frankly, I have no idea what correlation three kids getting in trouble has with the university having an "upper class philosophy". Also, if you don't think that the school has that mentality, then maybe you understand even less about this University than you put on. It wasn't a dig at other people, but Notre Dame clearly sees themselves as elite and upper class.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Here are my observations on the SBPD after having lived on campus for 5 years and in Granger for 2:

• Patulski, Lax, and Wooly are right. The socio-economic and racial dynamics at work in this situation are far different than any other major school of which I'm aware. The town has declined economically, the school has become extremely wealthy, and the serious criminal activity in the city occurs primarily in areas that are predominantly populated by racial minorities.
  
• SBPD is hostile toward ND students for two big reasons: (1) they're accountable to the permanent residents of South Bend, not the University, so in any situation where residents are annoyed with students (reasonably or not), they're going to favor the residents; and (2) cracking down on students is a quick and easy way to generate revenue. Taken together, (1) and (2) are why so many off-campus parties get raided.
  
• I don't have any statistical data to back this up, but SBPD seems to be predominantly Caucasian, and much of the serious crime in South Bend happens in the predominantly African-American neighborhoods. Racial tensions are likely part of the reason why SBPD doesn't simply "focus on the real crime".
  
• For better or for worse, drinking is an integral part of American culture. That's why Prohibition was a spectacular failure. We can complain about selective enforcement by the SBPD, but a stupid federal policy is truly to blame for this. If you're old enough to enlist in the military, vote, and be tried as an adult, you're old enough to drink. For those in this thread wagging their fingers at "kids these days" and the "devil drink", if you don't have a plausible suggestion for affecting a fundamental change in American culture, then you're just whistling in the wind.
  
  [*]The University really needs to provide a safe way for underage students to drink on-campus. The current policy is willfully blind to the University's culture, and it leaves students at the mercy of a hostile law enforcement agency.
  
• Current students need to realize that whenever they enter South Bend, they are in a foreign jurisdiction and need to comport themselves accordingly. Not only because they're ambassadors of the University, but because they're going to be more strictly scrutinized by local law enforcement, which sees them as troublesome outsiders. The entitled attitude many ND students exhibit when it comes to partying in South Bend doesn't help matters at all.

Great Post. But, aren't the Dorms free for anyone to drink in no matter what age. I could be wrong but my college roommate has a cousin currently a sophomore, and we went to visit him last year and drank in the dorms all weekend. He said they let the students drink the dorms, so there is no need for them to go out into the SB "dangerous area". Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I think if this is true the University is doing their share. My University and many I have been to are "dry campuses" which Im sure everyone knows means no alcohol whatsoever.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

There is a safe way for underage kids to drink on campus. It is essentially ND policy that you can drink beer or wine in your dorm room (especially male dorms) without any problems. Students are told to keep it to their rooms. If a student decides to go off-campus to drink it's pretty much up to them to not get caught.

Great Post. But, aren't the Dorms free for anyone to drink in no matter what age. I could be wrong but my college roommate has a cousin currently a sophomore, and we went to visit him last year and drank in the dorms all weekend. He said they let the students drink the dorms, so there is no need for them to go out into the SB "dangerous area". Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I think if this is true the University is doing their share. My University and many I have been to are "dry campuses" which Im sure everyone knows means no alcohol whatsoever.

True, and liberal use of that "policy" is probably why I avoided getting dinged for underage drinking as a student. But as older alumni can attest, students used to be able to drink at SYRs, and there were many venues-- both on- and off-campus-- where one could throw a proper party and offer beer without getting harassed. That's no longer the case, and it's difficult to throw any sort of party in a dorm room the size of a large closet (thanks Keenan).

 

[rikkitikki08]

Bro, you realize that no one committed a crime until they are found guilty, right?

True lol but lets be honest here, tommy was drinking underage and got caught.....stuff happens. All im saying is lets move on, in the world this really isnt that big of a deal. I drink you probably drink so no one really has a right to destroy this kid. We have all been in trouble one time or another so im at the point that i am not overly upset about this

 

[irishpat183]

Here are my observations on the SBPD after having lived on campus for 5 years and in Granger for 2:

• Patulski, Lax, and Wooly are right. The socio-economic and racial dynamics at work in this situation are far different than any other major school of which I'm aware. The town has declined economically, the school has become extremely wealthy, and the serious criminal activity in the city occurs primarily in areas that are predominantly populated by racial minorities.
  
• SBPD is hostile toward ND students for two big reasons: (1) they're accountable to the permanent residents of South Bend, not the University, so in any situation where residents are annoyed with students (reasonably or not), they're going to favor the residents; and (2) cracking down on students is a quick and easy way to generate revenue. Taken together, (1) and (2) are why so many off-campus parties get raided.
  
• I don't have any statistical data to back this up, but SBPD seems to be predominantly Caucasian, and much of the serious crime in South Bend happens in the predominantly African-American neighborhoods. Racial tensions are likely part of the reason why SBPD doesn't simply "focus on the real crime".
  
• For better or for worse, drinking is an integral part of American culture. That's why Prohibition was a spectacular failure. We can complain about selective enforcement by the SBPD, but a stupid federal policy is truly to blame for this. If you're old enough to enlist in the military, vote, and be tried as an adult, you're old enough to drink. For those in this thread wagging their fingers at "kids these days" and the "devil drink", if you don't have a plausible suggestion for affecting a fundamental change in American culture, then you're just whistling in the wind.
  
• The University really needs to provide a safe way for underage students to drink on-campus. The current policy is willfully blind to the University's culture, and it leaves students at the mercy of a hostile law enforcement agency.
  
• Current students need to realize that whenever they enter South Bend, they are in a foreign jurisdiction and need to comport themselves accordingly. Not only because they're ambassadors of the University, but because they're going to be more strictly scrutinized by local law enforcement, which sees them as troublesome outsiders. The entitled attitude many ND students exhibit when it comes to partying in South Bend doesn't help matters at all.

I think we can all agree there....

 

[IrishMoore1]

Dan Murphy ‏ @BGI_DanMurphy
Rees will not appear in front of a judge today according to courthouse employee. Can be kept in custody until tomorrow.