Tommy Rees and Carlo Calabrese arrested

[woolybug25]

I've never been, even on gameday.

Then with all due respect, you are lacking frame of reference to make an argument on the social dynamics between the University and the SBPD.

I understand your desire to stick up for Police Departments (and appreciate your service, btw), but this isn't an overriding argument about police in general. It's an argument about the SBPD specifically. Which is something that everyone on here with first hand experience can relate to.

 

[ThePiombino]

You're really going to try and defend one of our players assaulting a cop? Really?
Like sister,like brother.

Did you just wake up? Go wipe the crusties out of your eyes and re-read the thread. So tired of people jumping in 1/2 way through thinking they know what they're talking about. No one here supported assaulting an officer.

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[tadman95]

This is like sitting at a restaurant trying to listen to three different fights at adjacent tables and keeping up. Advil please.

If Tommy is guilty, then he should get what he deserves legally.

Notre Dame will do what it has to do. Unfortunate maybe for Tommy.

I appreciate the fans that see the consequences for Tommy as a person more than than the fans who seem happy it happened to him because of his play on the field.

Breaking the law is breaking the law. How the police use their time and serve their community seems to be a different issue.

May need Tylenol too. Nope, a beer. I'm legal and I'm the Deputy of Mayberry. Where's Otis?

 

[woolybug25]

-No, it's not. Sorry, but the world is a whole lot bigger than south bend (just not on Saturdays..).

Laugable. So you think that because I've never lived in South Bend, I wouldn't know what it's like to deal with cops in college towns? South Bend cops are NO DIFFERENT than cops on any other college campus. I'm sorry, they're not.

I was simply stating that what you guys are dealing with is nothing special. And I was defending the police. Cops in college towns have this rep everywhere. "they got nothing better to do......blah blah blah.....". I had the same exact attitude in college. As did everyone I ever knew at any one of the hundreds of colleges that they attended.

I have a friend at ND right now...no complaints about ND cops so far...she's been there 3 years. I know people at other campuses that have been there 3 DAYS AND HAVE BEEN HARRASSED.

So yeah, CUT IT.

This proves my point. Notre Dame's campus is not like every other campus (again, with the broad generalizations) and there is a long history between the city of South Bend and the University. None of this you know the first thing about. So don't act like just because you have been on some campus in TX once that you somehow can make judgement on a VERY COMPLICATED social dynamic between a the University and the SBPD, especially when you haven't personally stepped foot in the area.

Your comments have clearly shown that you don't have a clue about the unique dynamics of the University of Notre Dame. I am guessing that NDinLA and LAX are staring at their computers nodding right now.

 

[irishbird]

Im sure theres a joke here about Ree's onfield inability to escape the rush also proving true off the field :S[/QUOTE]

lol ^this

 

[FLDomer]

Can this thread just get locked?!?!? Everyone is pissing and moaning, being insulted, getting insulted... LOCK THIS ****!!

 

[irishpat183]

I'll put this as shortly as possible:

The problem people have with SBPD is not that they bust parties or are "hardassess"... it is that the city has lots of REAL CRIME and that SBPD never seems to give that crime serious attention and devotes their resources to the arrests that pay the bills (e.g. drinking tickets).

There is something wrong with rolling up to a noise complaint with 2+ squad cars but taking 45 minutes to send a single officer to an in progress robbery or refusing to follow up on located stolen goods. The people who have seen their lack of care for protecting the community get fed up when the same cops turn around and super-strictly enforce the laws with a $ attached.

LOL, those werre the days.,....and like cockroaches, we'd scramble!

I've dealt with the same thing.

FYI- South Bend isnt even listed in any of the crime statistics lists as having anywhere CLOSE to the amount of crime on campus or even in town compared to other colleges...

 

[Domina Nostra]

South Bend is not just like every other college town. It may be like some, but the city has had to deal with an overwhelming exodus of industry over the past 40 years which has devestated entire sections of the city. There is not a lot of money, except on campus, and there is a lot of crime. The police force seemed undersized and not up to the task of dealing with the very significant crime problem.

 

[irishff1014]

This proves my point. Notre Dame's campus is not like every other campus (again, with the broad generalizations) and there is a long history between the city of South Bend and the University. None of this you know the first thing about. So don't act like just because you have been on some campus in TX once that you somehow can make judgement on a VERY COMPLICATED social dynamic between a the University and the SBPD, especially when you haven't personally stepped foot in the area.

Your comments have clearly shown that you don't have a clue about the unique dynamics of the University of Notre Dame. I am guessing that NDinLA and LAX are staring at their computers nodding right now.

He made a Great point all college towns have this just not ND. You are just trying to make seem special because you went there. Its no different.

 

[Patulski]

Then with all due respect, you are lacking frame of reference to make an argument on the social dynamics between the University and the SBPD.

I understand your desire to stick up for Police Departments (and appreciate your service, btw), but this isn't an overriding argument about police in general. It's an argument about the SBPD specifically. Which is something that everyone on here with first hand experience can relate to.

Well said.

I've witnessed 45 years of how South Bend police and Notre Dame students have interacted. It has gotten increasingly more hostile against the students for various reasons imo.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Sometimes the sanctimoniousnessof this board annoys me. He screwed up as 18-21 year olds do and the police threw the book at him, prob because he was running his mouth, as drunk people do.

As for the alleged offense, an ND football player cant even commit a BCS Title game program crime. They're still committing Sun Bowl Level crimes.

Wake me up when its felony burglary or larceny.

Yawn.

 

[tadman95]

Can this thread just get locked?!?!? Everyone is pissing and moaning, being insulted, getting insulted... LOCK THIS ****!!

50,000 Vbuck bet it's closed by 12:30 pm EST. First responder get it.

All right. No takers at 12:20. Offer is retracted.

 

[tadman95]

Sometimes the sanctimoniousnessof this board annoys me. He screwed up as 18-21 year olds do and the police threw the book at him, prob because he was running his mouth, as drunk people do.

As for the alleged offense, an ND football player cant even commit a BCS Title game program crime. They're still committing Sun Bowl Level crimes.

Wake me up when its felony burglary or larceny.

Yawn.

That's hilarious!

 

[irishpat183]

This proves my point. Notre Dame's campus is not like every other campus (again, with the broad generalizations) and there is a long history between the city of South Bend and the University. None of this you know the first thing about. So don't act like just because you have been on some campus in TX once that you somehow can make judgement on a VERY COMPLICATED social dynamic between a the University and the SBPD, especially when you haven't personally stepped foot in the area.

Your comments have clearly shown that you don't have a clue about the unique dynamics of the University of Notre Dame. I am guessing that NDinLA and LAX are staring at their computers nodding right now.

When it comes to police, crime, and campus PD...Please explain to me how it's not like other colleges?

What "special" happens between ND students, residents of SB, and the police department... that doens't happen everywhere else?

Please, educate me on what me and the rest of the world that didn't attend ND is missing.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

50,000 Vbuck bet it's closed by 12:30 pm EST. First responder get it.

Funny you say that, about 30 mins ago, I was going to create a vBook event with the over under of the locking of this thread: it was going to be 1:14 PM.

 

[RDU Irish]

LOL, those werre the days.,....and like cockroaches, we'd scramble!

I've dealt with the same thing.

FYI- South Bend isnt even listed in any of the crime statistics lists as having anywhere CLOSE to the amount of crime on campus or even in town compared to other colleges...

You are better than all of us. Thank you for saving the world from drunken kids! Oh the horror of drunken kids destroying the fabric of our society!

Really, resources are precious and our society should do more to focus our resources on real problems. If SBPD started knocking on doors and asking them to keep it down and move on... gee wouldn't everyone be better off? That is exactly what happens in plenty of parts of the world.

 

[Domina Nostra]

He made a Great point all college towns have this just not ND. You are just trying to make seem special because you went there. Its no different.

I don't understand how you can say all college towns have the same issues. Its not a secret that different police departments have different reputations. Think LA vs. NY.

 

[irishpat183]

He made a Great point all college towns have this just not ND. You are just trying to make seem special because you went there. Its no different.

THANK YOU.

 

[woolybug25]

He made a Great point all college towns have this just not ND. You are just trying to make seem special because you went there. Its no different.

You don't know what you are talking about. Notre Dame is significantly different than say, a large state school with 30,000 students.

Notre Dame is not in South Bend, it's in Notre Dame, IN. It's a unique culture that is hard to grasp if you haven't been there. It's a small private university with upper class philosophies locked inside a rural blue collar midwestern town (South Bend). It's a social dynamic that is unique to Notre Dame that no other school has.

Seriously, if you think that Notre Dame's social dynamic is "no different than other college towns" then you are so off base that it isn't even funny. As I said before, if you don't know, then you haven't spent time there.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

This is basicaly the Michael Floyd DUI discussion all over again.

3 Groups:

- People defending the action because they are drinkers and understand how things can escalate

- Those who used to drink being able to see both sides

- And then the people who dont drink saying that they are "Mr. Grown Up" and never speed, drink, cheat, lie, gossip etc.

 

[charlyp123]

Sad for Tommy. Hope this is something he can recover from and still get his degree. Football aside. Sucks for him. Really does. I hope the admin doesn't come down too hard on him. I'm sure he was worried about how this would affect his football career and that is why he ran, especially being a QB. But he should have known better than to hit a cop. That is a line you should know not to cross. But I guess in the heat of the moment he got his Irish up. He and his sister seem to like to thrown down at the drop of a hat.

 

[NDBoiler]

I feel the need to apologize for my part in eviscerating this thread...can't we all just get along? We all cheer for the same team and we're letting this tear us apart. WE will never agree on this so let's try and drop it...who thinks TR gets booted off the team, or will he get that second chance ala Floyd?

 

[Patulski]

He made a Great point all college towns have this just not ND. You are just trying to make seem special because you went there. Its no different.

You've never lived in South Bend, but you know its no different than other college towns?

You have no idea how Notre Dame and South Bend have changed in the past 50 years: While South Bend has declined into a poor, rust belt city, Notre Dame has risen to one of the richest schools in the country, with both an intellectually and financially elite student body.

That changing dynamic between city and university hasn't happened in every college town.

 

[charlyp123]

Again, don't mean to make light of the situation but this should be proof enough for Kelly. I want my starting QB to be able to outrun a middle aged cop. You think that guy chases down Hendrix or Golson? Ha, just kidding. Again, in all seriousness I hope Tommy is able to recover from this. He is a 19 year old kid who is now facing a felony. My thoughts and prayers are with him. We all did stupid things at that age. Or at least I did, I just never got caught.

 

[tadman95]

I feel the need to apologize for my part in eviscerating this thread...can't we all just get along? We all cheer for the same team and we're letting this tear us apart. WE will never agree on this so let's try and drop it...who thinks TR gets booted off the team, or will he get that second chance ala Floyd?

If you start acting all nice and apologetic and we start getting along then no one is going to take my bet! So stop it!

 

[gkIrish]

I don't have anything new to add but my thoughts are...

Anyone who relates this to the QB competition should be ashamed (If this was Manti how would ya'll feel)
If the players are found guilty in court they should be ashamed
This puts a stain on our program
As a former ND student, I can tell you that the SBPD treats many students poorly, some of it stems from the fact that campus has its own police department.

 

[NDdomer2]

This is basicaly the Michael Floyd DUI discussion all over again.

3 Groups:

- People defending the action because they are drinkers and understand how things can escalate

- Those who used to drink being able to see both sides

- And then the people who dont drink saying that they are "Mr. Grown Up" and never speed, drink, cheat, lie, gossip etc.

Which one are you?

 

[Woneone]

You've never lived in South Bend, but you know its no different than other college towns?

You have no idea how Notre Dame and South Bend have changed in the past 50 years: While South Bend has declined into a poor, rust belt city, Notre Dame has risen to one of the richest schools in the country, with both an intellectually and financially elite student body.

That changing dynamic between city and university hasn't happened in every college town.

Couldn't the same be said to those who suggest that ND is different than everyone else (just playin devils advocate)? They attended ND, yet can speak for the culture of every other school in America? I understand the distain for his sweeping generalizations, but let's not compound them by refuting them with just more fallacy (by no means am I pointing out your post, just a thought based on some of the posts in this thread).

I didn't go to ND. My father-in-law did, and he backs up what others have said in this thread, that it is different than MOST other schools with regards to the socio-economic factors at play.

That said, I can name quite a few small schools (DII and DIII) in Ohio that are in similar situations. Private, "rich" universities in rural areas. Some of which are located in lower economic areas. However, from what I've read, the SBPD seems to be much more over the top than what I'm familiar with.

Then again, it is Notre Dame. I'd be willing to bet these things happen in many other places with similar situations. It just doesn't garnish the national attention.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Fixed for ya.

No actually, I meant SOUTH BEND. This town sucks so bad. They hate ND and everything that has to do with it, except for all the MONEY it brings in. Michigan fans are the last people on Earth who can say anything about these arrests. Their players get arrested for domestic violence, breaking and entering, DUI's, public indecency, and still get to play....so I can't care about what they say.

 

[Irish YJ]

Sad situation. Hope someone (hint) posts the real story as I'm sure there are two sides to this drama.

Regardless, IMHO, a starting QB, or one competing to start, risked too much in this situation, and put himself before team and university. I hope he catches a break, learns, and becomes better for it. He is just a kid, but he's a kid playing the biggest position, in the most celebrated university in the nation... ugh